Guest mjt2810 Posted October 3, 2006 Report Posted October 3, 2006 Hi all, my first post so go easy on me!! I have just bought TTN6 for my SP5 (and will later install on my work .. soon to be delivered .. HTC S620. I know neither are on the compatibility list yet, but wondered if anyone has managed to install this on their SP5? I tried but neither the autorun on the miniSD or launching the CAB files worked .... Any advice..help..etc appreciated! Thanks! mjt2810
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 3, 2006 Report Posted October 3, 2006 As far as I know TomTom 6 is not designed for the Windows Smartphone as yet and so you will need to return your purchase for a refund. It will be available for certain Symbian devices but not Windows Smartphones at the moment. Also you will ony be able to install it on one device as that is all the licence allows so choose wisely what device you really want to install and register it to. You have to remember a lot of companies call any device you can install software to a smartphone and this is where the confusion happens. I know of one reseller who is already mistakenly claiming it will work on a Windows Smartphone.
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 TomTom compatability list for version six can be found HERE As you can see no MS Windows Smartphones are listed as yet.
Guest topbanana4 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 it has the spv 3000 which has wm5 installed , so they have for wm5 versions i think ?????
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 It's nothing to do with WM5, it's to do with the user interface the devices use. The Pocket PC uses touchscreen and the Smartphone does not. I have it running nicely on my Vario, so I just hope they release a Windows Smartphone version.
Guest killerost Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Tomtom 6 was planned as a "multi-platform" product and was supposed to work for both smartphones and pocketpcs. I guess tomtom's "multi-platform" solution didn't work very well after all. After "betatesting" a release I found "somewhere", it felt as Tomtom 6 was only 85% smartphone compatible, on some screens you could control it very well with the keypad and on other screens it worked poorly or didn't work at all.. and it seems like Tomtom has discovered this too.. :rolleyes:
Guest Mr.Clark Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Is there any way to trick TomTom into working, even if it's not properly? You can't get hold of TomTom 5 for love nor money, so how do they expect smartphone users to cope? TomTom NAVIGATOR 6 Smart & easy navigation on your PDA/mobile phone My arse! I've got 3 boxes of TomTom 6 because it's a new version and you can't get TomTom 5 Mobile any more, and what mobile phones exactly DOES it work on??? Question Why is my device not compatible with NAVIGATOR 6, even though it was compatible with NAVIGATOR 5 / MOBILE 5? Answer TomTom NAVIGATOR 6 includes a number of new features that greatly improve the product. Unfortunately, these features require more memory and processing power when compared to NAVIGATOR 5 and MOBILE 5. In addition, TomTom now offers many new maps, which are bigger and more detailed than the old maps. These maps also require more memory and processing power in the device.This is crap. Are you telling me that an average dumb phone has more memory and processing power than an Orange SPV C600? Really? :rolleyes:
Guest Mr.Clark Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Well I've just spoken to some pimply faced youth (probably) at TomTom, who was quite obviously referring to a list of compatible devices, who mumbled about them "moving with the times" and that it won't work with a non-compatible device. He didn't have anything to say when I pointed out that none of the devices on the list were mobile phones... they're all PDAs. That's not moving with the times... how can taking a product and making it unavailable and it's replacement being compatible with less devices be moving with the times? Prat.
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 18, 2006 Report Posted October 18, 2006 Tomtom 6 was planned as a "multi-platform" product and was supposed to work for both smartphones and pocketpcs. I guess tomtom's "multi-platform" solution didn't work very well after all. After "betatesting" a release I found "somewhere", it felt as Tomtom 6 was only 85% smartphone compatible, on some screens you could control it very well with the keypad and on other screens it worked poorly or didn't work at all.. and it seems like Tomtom has discovered this too.. :rolleyes: Interesting as there is not a "beta" of TT6 for the Windows Smartphone. So what dodgy software you used was certainly not the Smartphone version but more likely the hacked Treo version. You would definately get issues with that as the UI is completely wrong. Unfortunately trying dodgy software that is not designed for your device will never give you a true guide to what the software can really do.
Guest killerost Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 Interesting as there is not a "beta" of TT6 for the Windows Smartphone. So what dodgy software you used was certainly not the Smartphone version but more likely the hacked Treo version. You would definately get issues with that as the UI is completely wrong. Unfortunately trying dodgy software that is not designed for your device will never give you a true guide to what the software can really do. What can I say.. "I was told it was a beta?" :rolleyes: But before tomtom 6 navigator was released tomtom promised that the same version would work on pocketpc and smartphone. But when the release date came, the smartphone compatibility was suddenly "forgotten". Can you explain this in any other way than bad coding? When 85% of Tomtom 6 navigator supports both formats 100%..?
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 It's nothing to do with bad coding. As yet Windows Mobile PocketPC and Smartphone have not fully intrigrated into one OS. Until they do you can not claim bad coding by anyone. TomTom have not concentrated on the Windows Smartphone UI release it's as simple as that. Now regarding TomTom's use of the word smartphone they have released version 6 on the pocket pc and the smartphone so the statement is correct. What you forget is Symbian devices are also classed as smartphones and this is where the confusion lies. Everyone who has a Windows Smartphone just assumed "smartphone" ment "Windows Smartphone"
Guest killerost Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Anyway, I saw a webshop here in norway selling tomtom 6 and they have written that it is smartphone compatible. I've contacted them to get that confirmed.
Guest veef13 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) looking to get tomtom 6 on my v1240 too... emailed tomtom asking if its compatible with windows smartphones, response simply said it is compatible with nearly ALL windows based smartphones... replied saying does it work on sp5 etc... awaiting a reply... will keep you informed... really want a proper legit version of tomtom... and at Edited October 24, 2006 by veef13
Guest veef13 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 final reply from tomtom... I have just checked with higher customer tech support for you and unfortunately nav6 doesnt work with your device. It is compatable with nav5 but it is no longer available from our website. You may be able to get it from hight street retailers who stock our products. I didnt understand from your 1st email which device you have. Nav6 works with some smartphones but not yours unfortunately. Hope this helps. Damit!
Guest awarner (MVP) Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 As I keep saying, the only "smartphones" it will work with at the moment is Symbian smartphones. If you want to waste your money and not believe me go ahead. As I beta test for them I can confirm 100% the TomTom6 is not designed for the Windows Smartphone at this moment in time. It does not mean that it will never be available. At the moment TomTom6 will only work on PocketPC devices and certain Symbian devices etc.
Guest veef13 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 As I keep saying, the only "smartphones" it will work with at the moment is Symbian smartphones. If you want to waste your money and not believe me go ahead. As I beta test for them I can confirm 100% the TomTom6 is not designed for the Windows Smartphone at this moment in time. It does not mean that it will never be available. At the moment TomTom6 will only work on PocketPC devices and certain Symbian devices etc. thats fair enuff... but it didn't hurt for me to get a responce directly from TomTom, no one didn't believe you... however, the chap I spoke too did say that there are ZERO plans to get it working on ANY windows smartphones period... whatever truth is in that statement is yet too be seen, but he was adament that there are no plans for win smartphone compatibility... his words not mine... hence... just ordered route 66 mobile 7 for
Guest xavalon Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 It's nothing to do with bad coding. As yet Windows Mobile PocketPC and Smartphone have not fully intrigrated into one OS. Until they do you can not claim bad coding by anyone. TomTom have not concentrated on the Windows Smartphone UI release it's as simple as that. Since some have TT6 hacked PDA version running on their WM Smartphone, this proves that the navigation part isn't the problem. Problem only exist in some data entry and selection screens (e.g. menu's etc). This was easy to overcome, since they could copy source from TT5 Mobile and extend it. Can't be a big deal.
Guest jasnewt Posted October 27, 2006 Report Posted October 27, 2006 just ordered route 66 mobile 7 for
Guest veef13 Posted October 28, 2006 Report Posted October 28, 2006 That looks a good price. I was considering getting this. My main use would probably be as a pedestrian though. One gripe I have with Tom Tom is that it insists on having Bluetooth on, when I don't actually need GPS. I will know my starting point, so all I need is to be able to set that and ask for a route to be generated to where I want to get to. As I am walking I don't need a GPS unit checking on my location constantly. I don't need or want GPS at all. Because Tom Tom insists on having Bluetooth on it drains the battery quicker than normal. Route 66 has a software only option which would be ideal. The question is does anyone know how much use it is without using a GPS unit, ie can you browse the map, and generate routes without using one? Jason. hya, the version of route 66 I have is software only, and I use the GPS unit I had b4... It will load without a gps unit, but takes about 5 mins to get into it as it searches for the gps... I have just tried to plan a route from my set home location to work without a gps unit and it just goes in a loop, so alas, you will need a gps unit too... I use a bt77 unit... was
Guest jasnewt Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 Thanks for the info Paul. Could you give me that link for the GPS unit? If I can get a decent unit that cheap then buying Route 66 is still a decently priced option. I'd prefer something that would let you just browse a map without insisting on the use of a GPS unit, but your comments suggest this may be the best option for now. I do have Mapopolis. That will let you just browse maps, but I don't find it a particularly nice application to use. Cheers, Jason.
Guest veef13 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the info Paul. Could you give me that link for the GPS unit? If I can get a decent unit that cheap then buying Route 66 is still a decently priced option. I'd prefer something that would let you just browse a map without insisting on the use of a GPS unit, but your comments suggest this may be the best option for now. I do have Mapopolis. That will let you just browse maps, but I don't find it a particularly nice application to use. Cheers, Jason. Jason, Been playing with route 66 more, and you can indeed plan a route without a gps unit attached or signal... just takes longer for some reason... I got the gps unit from ebay, so dont have a link for you i'm affraid, but they can be found on there for cheap 2nd hand or some of the new solar ones are coming down in price (my next buy!) The bt77 seem to be Edited October 30, 2006 by veef13
Guest jasnewt Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Paul, When you say it takes longer without a GPS signal is it still too long to be practical, ie a few minutes to start up etc? That's a shame that the software is tied to the phone. I was considering upgrading to a Pocket PC phone in the future, but that is by no means certain. I may well stick with my C600 for another year though, so for the price, it's worth taking the risk. Thanks for the link for the software. Seems like a darn good price. Thanks once again for your help! Jason.
Guest veef13 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Paul, When you say it takes longer without a GPS signal is it still too long to be practical, ie a few minutes to start up etc? That's a shame that the software is tied to the phone. I was considering upgrading to a Pocket PC phone in the future, but that is by no means certain. I may well stick with my C600 for another year though, so for the price, it's worth taking the risk. Thanks for the link for the software. Seems like a darn good price. Thanks once again for your help! Jason. Jason, It takes about two mins extra to start without gps, as it just scans for it but you eventually get a message asking if you want to continue without gps... As far as taking from smartphone to PPC, you'd need a different version anyway AFAIK as there not cross platform compatible, but you do have to have WM5... Looking on the net, it seem that you have 3 chances to install the software on diff handsets, but you'd best check that out with Route 66... Oh and buying direct from them is not that much more expensive... maybe an extra
Guest jasnewt Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 (edited) I may just buy the software and see what it's like. If the main problem of no GPS is when starting it, then obviously as long as I leave it running in the background I should be OK. As long as Bluetooth can be switched off while it's running of course (unlike Tom Tom). Did you notice that when you were testing? To be honest I may well just get myself a GPS receiver anyway. I had a look at the solar ones and they aren't too badly priced. This one looks reasonable. Of course I realise the Smartphone version wouldn't work on a Pocket PC. Just a momentary lapse of brainpower :rolleyes: Jason. Edited October 30, 2006 by jasnewt
Guest veef13 Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 I may just buy the software and see what it's like. If the main problem of no GPS is when starting it, then obviously as long as I leave it running in the background I should be OK. As long as Bluetooth can be switched off while it's running of course (unlike Tom Tom). Did you notice that when you were testing? To be honest I may well just get myself a GPS receiver anyway. I had a look at the solar ones and they aren't too badly priced. This one looks reasonable. Of course I realise the Smartphone version wouldn't work on a Pocket PC. Just a momentary lapse of brainpower :rolleyes: Jason. Haven't tried it with BT turned off... will try at lunch for you... Thats the solar unit i'd like to get, the battery in mine has been cooked int he suna nd only lasts about 15-20 hours now... one thing that does amuse me with gps units is they say, like that solar one and my one, 32 sattelitte tracking... you'll never be in line of sight of more than 8-12 max... usually u get around 4, and i do remember reading once that theres not ever 32 gps capable satts up in the sky lol... Had my first TMC (traffic data) reroute this morning... worked perfectly... i'm at work and my work mate who went the usual way is still in traffic! Cheerio Paul
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