HTC Tornado - Ahead of its time?

[Guest Nubbing]

I havent posted here for some months now. I have owned my Qtek 8300 for 16 months and have just got a new phone, the Nokia N95. It has made me realise how advanced the phone really was.

Gps, 2GB phone memory capable, WiFi, great screen, EDGE, Normal headphone jack (with my 3.5 adaptor anyway), powerful and can install very cool apps (tcpmp player, usb storage thing, office opening tools) all in a resonably small package.

I guess am just having some emotions parting from it. I am keeping it as a spare and will still be using it for GPS until tomtom comes out for the N95.

Of course a year in phones still means a huge leap in technology and the N95 has plenty of it, but thats not for this topic.

How great do you think the HTC Tornado was/still is?

[Guest]

How great do you think the HTC Tornado was/still is?

I loved my Tornado, only switched from it to try PPC for a while. I've had 2 Smartphones since the Tornado and both of them have only really been the Tornado in a differnt shell (Startrk and Excalibur). So in answer to your question:

"Really Great :rolleyes: "

[Guest Wombleuk]

GPS ?

[Guest The Doctor]

GPS ?

Guessing bluetooth GPS...

I still use my tornado :rolleyes: It was STILL the best WM Smartphone (or just general phone if you don't count PPC's) right up until the HTC Vox was released :P

Phil

[Guest tamanaco]

How great do you think the HTC Tornado was/still is?

I'm still very happy with my Qtek 8310... ahead of its time as you said. I though about the HTC s710, but I think I will wait for the HTC s730 when it becomes available later this summer. Besides the features of the 8310 that we're familiar with... this phone is rumored to have a 400MHz CPU, Built-in GPS, Built-in Flash, SDIO, WM6, HSDPA and don't forget the slide out keyboard.

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=728

[Guest mikeeey]

I'm still very happy with my Qtek 8310... ahead of its time as you said. I though about the HTC s710, but I think I will wait for the HTC s730 when it becomes available later this summer. Besides the features of the 8310 that we're familiar with... this phone is rumored to have a 400MHz CPU, Built-in GPS, Built-in Flash, SDIO, WM6, HSDPA and don't forget the slide out keyboard.

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=728

this phone is awfully close to a pocket pc tho, why not just get a pocket pc if your gonnna get something that similiar? like the kaiser! =)

[Guest bukhariwaheed111]

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[Guest tamanaco]

this phone is awfully close to a pocket pc tho, why not just get a pocket pc if your gonnna get something that similiar? like the kaiser! =)

Awfully close, but not quite... I already own a Pocket PC and It's really NOT pocketable. I want something that fits comfortably in my pocket. Look at the dimension of the s730... is just a bit thicker than the Tornado. The s730 also has a built-in GPS and slide out keyboard… that justifies the extra thickness. I run Skype in my Qtek 8310 and make oversea calls almost every day via wifi. Using the Pocket PC just for the wifi is now a mute point and using the PPC or my laptop as cell phone is awkward...there is no real phone keypad, they have under performing microphone/speakers and with a PPC is like holding a brick to your ears. I have not tried holding the laptop to my ear. Like many people I want to carry only one mobile device.

I believe that the Smarphone market will continue to eat away and the PPC market. Go to any electronic store and look at the evidence. The number of PPC being put out in the market has drastically declined while the number of Smarphone has sky rocketed. The reason... “Convergence”. Some of the most useful PPC functions (Contact list and Calendar) are a natural fit for Smartphones. What Am I supposed to do? Look at the contact name on the PPC and dial it on the cell?... Nah! Now-a-days who wants a cell phone without a contacts list and a Calendar?

There are some applications that still work better on a PPC because of CPU power and the larger "touch" screen. The touch screen feature has already been conquered by Smarphones like the Treo. The CPU power is/was the remainder frontier... Guess what?... The s730 is addressing the CPU power shortfall that was holding back Smarphones.

Don’t get me wrong… with current state of the art “full” convergence of all pocketable devices is still not there. I just bought a good sounding DAP (Cowon D2) because of the shortcomings of sound processors and storage in Smarphones and PPCs. I also don’t think that a do-all device will perform better than any particular specialized device. I still own a digital camera and my home AV system is made up of “components”. At this point in time there are still “some” functions that PPCs with large screens and power can perform better than a smarphones, but these advantages are starting to disappear. The web browsing and video watching experience are still better with larger screens like those in laptops. The “free” internet searches and browsing via wifi can be done with a PPC or with Smarphones like the Qtek 8310, but the PPC fails where there is no wifi availabe. With a Smartphone I can still search the web if I switch to the “paid” cellular network. When I leave my house I want a light mobile device that fits comfortably in my pocket or it stays at home. I don't wear devices clipped to my belt. This is one of the reasons I won't upgrade to another PPC. My current PPC usually stays at home unless I'm going somewhere with a briefcase.

[Guest dishe]

Awfully close, but not quite... I already own a Pocket PC and It's really NOT pocketable. I want something that fits comfortably in my pocket. Look at the dimension of the s730... is just a bit thicker than the Tornado. The s730 also has a built-in GPS and slide out keyboard… that justifies the extra thickness. I run Skype in my Qtek 8310 and make oversea calls almost every day via wifi. Using the Pocket PC just for the wifi is now a mute point and using the PPC or my laptop as cell phone is awkward...there is no real phone keypad, they have under performing microphone/speakers and with a PPC is like holding a brick to your ears. I have not tried holding the laptop to my ear. Like many people I want to carry only one mobile device.

I believe that the Smarphone market will continue to eat away and the PPC market. Go to any electronic store and look at the evidence. The number of PPC being put out in the market has drastically declined while the number of Smarphone has sky rocketed. The reason... “Convergence”. Some of the most useful PPC functions (Contact list and Calendar) are a natural fit for Smartphones. What Am I supposed to do? Look at the contact name on the PPC and dial it on the cell?... Nah! Now-a-days who wants a cell phone without a contacts list and a Calendar?

There are some applications that still work better on a PPC because of CPU power and the larger "touch" screen. The touch screen feature has already been conquered by Smarphones like the Treo. The CPU power is/was the remainder frontier... Guess what?... The s730 is addressing the CPU power shortfall that was holding back Smarphones.

Don’t get me wrong… with current state of the art “full” convergence of all pocketable devices is still not there. I just bought a good sounding DAP (Cowon D2) because of the shortcomings of sound processors and storage in Smarphones and PPCs. I also don’t think that a do-all device will perform better than any particular specialized device. I still own a digital camera and my home AV system is made up of “components”. At this point in time there are still “some” functions that PPCs with large screens and power can perform better than a smarphones, but these advantages are starting to disappear. The web browsing and video watching experience are still better with larger screens like those in laptops. The “free” internet searches and browsing via wifi can be done with a PPC or with Smarphones like the Qtek 8310, but the PPC fails where there is no wifi availabe. With a Smartphone I can still search the web if I switch to the “paid” cellular network. When I leave my house I want a light mobile device that fits comfortably in my pocket or it stays at home. I don't wear devices clipped to my belt. This is one of the reasons I won't upgrade to another PPC. My current PPC usually stays at home unless I'm going somewhere with a briefcase.

Ummm... he meant a Pocket-PC phone. He even said "like the kaiser". Did you bother looking up what the Kaiser is?

I think you misunderstood what the difference is between a PPC and Smartphone.

A PPC is something like the HTC Wizard, a Windows Mobile phone that is roughly the size of the Pocket PCs of yesteryear with a large touchscreen for input. A Smartphone is a Windows Mobile phone that is shaped like a regular phone, and forgoes the touchscreen for a more traditional button input.

I didn't know anyone even considered buying non-phone PDA's these days. Yes, EVERYONE is into convergence, not just you.

All the stuff you mentioned is just as do-able on a PPC phone. And for future reference, the Treo is a mislabelled PPC phone, not a smartphone; In the eyes of Microsoft, smartphone means a small non-touch device that runs their smartphone OS. According to Palm, smartphone just means a PDA that is also a phone (hence the misunderstood title), whereas MS would call that a Pocket PC phone. That's probably got you confused.

[Guest Ingvarr]

Tornado is a great platform.

But I would'nt call it "ahead" of anything. It is just very close to perfection as smartphone.

[Guest tamanaco]

Ummm... he meant a Pocket-PC phone. He even said "like the kaiser". Did you bother looking up what the Kaiser is?

I think you misunderstood what the difference is between a PPC and Smartphone.

A PPC is something like the HTC Wizard, a Windows Mobile phone that is roughly the size of the Pocket PCs of yesteryear with a large touchscreen for input. A Smartphone is a Windows Mobile phone that is shaped like a regular phone, and forgoes the touchscreen for a more traditional button input.

I didn't know anyone even considered buying non-phone PDA's these days. Yes, EVERYONE is into convergence, not just you.

All the stuff you mentioned is just as do-able on a PPC phone. And for future reference, the Treo is a mislabelled PPC phone, not a smartphone; In the eyes of Microsoft, smartphone means a small non-touch device that runs their smartphone OS. According to Palm, smartphone just means a PDA that is also a phone (hence the misunderstood title), whereas MS would call that a Pocket PC phone. That's probably got you confused.

I understand the differences and I've seen the Keiser.... The HTC keiser does NOT have a "traditional" cellphone keypad... The s730 which is very similar does. Shape alone does not make it a smartphone its "primary" function (interface to make calls) is the determining factor.

Wrong... I'm not into ANYTHING... I have specialized devices as well as multi-function devices.

The rest is just marketing jargon...

Edited May 7, 2007 by tamanaco

[Guest dishe]

I understand the differences and I've seen the Keiser.... The HTC keiser does NOT have a "traditional" cellphone keypad... The s730 which is very similar does. Shape alone does not make it a smartphone its "primary" function (interface to make calls) is the determining factor.

Wrong... I'm not into ANYTHING... I have specialized devices as well as multi-function devices.

The rest is just marketing jargon...

When I say "into convergence", I was reffered to when you said this:

Like many people I want to carry only one mobile device.

I'm sorry if the wording offended you. That's still what it is.

You're right, the keiser does not have a traditional keypad, because you use the touchscreen to press a virtual keypad. Some people like this better, I for one, prefer the tactile feedback of a real keypad. But that doesn't have anything to do with what makes a "smartphone" a "smartphone", at least according to the point of view of anyone who matters (Microsoft, HTC, Palm... they all have their own definitions of what makes a smartphone. They already conflict a little bit. You can create your own definition if you like, but don't be surprised when people do not understand your new made up language).

According to your own definition, however, the Palm Treo is NOT a smartphone as you mention, since it has a qwerty keypad, and is actually very difficult to dial numbers on it (since they are not layed out like a phone keypad).

The bottom line here is that Keiser can do all the things your smartphone can do, and more.

Yet, your argument against getting a PPC only makes sense if you assume that you didn't know that.

Here's a couple of gems I'll pull out of your post:

What Am I supposed to do? Look at the contact name on the PPC and dial it on the cell?... Nah! Now-a-days who wants a cell phone without a contacts list and a Calendar?

A PPC phone like the Keiser, Wizard, etc... would ALSO BE YOUR CELL. I don't understand this statement.

The “free” internet searches and browsing via wifi can be done with a PPC or with Smarphones like the Qtek 8310, but the PPC fails where there is no wifi availabe. With a Smartphone I can still search the web if I switch to the “paid” cellular network.

Huh? Once again. The PPC would pick up your cellular network.... ????

they have under performing microphone/speakers

No they don't. You're missing the point here- They are designed to be phones too! And HTC has placed the same quality mic/speakers (if not better) as your beloved tornado.

Basically, the only way your arguments make sense is if you made certain incorrect assumptions.

This is why I was trying to help clarify it for you.

Gosh, there's no reason to get all defensive!

I'll give you one thing, tho... PPC's tend to be bricks. I never liked holding a PPC-phone to my head to talk, or even a blackberry for that matter. But, we're actually the minority here, since larger touchscreen Qwerty phones are eating up the market faster than our beloved candybar phone form factor.

In any case, if you want to read a whole breakdown of what Smartphone Vs. PPC is (according to Microsoft, who creates the two platforms), read this blog article: What is smartphone edition anyway?

Edited May 7, 2007 by dishe

[Guest tamanaco]

When I say "into convergence", I was reffered to when you said this:

I'm sorry if the wording offended you. That's still what it is.

You're right, the keiser does not have a traditional keypad, because you use the touchscreen to press a virtual keypad. Some people like this better, I for one, prefer the tactile feedback of a real keypad. But that doesn't have anything to do with what makes a "smartphone" a "smartphone", at least according to the point of view of anyone who matters (Microsoft, HTC, Palm... they all have their own definitions of what makes a smartphone. They already conflict a little bit. You can create your own definition if you like, but don't be surprised when people do not understand your new made up language).

According to your own definition, however, the Palm Treo is NOT a smartphone as you mention, since it has a qwerty keypad, and is actually very difficult to dial numbers on it (since they are not layed out like a phone keypad).

The bottom line here is that Keiser can do all the things your smartphone can do, and more.

Yet, your argument against getting a PPC only makes sense if you assume that you didn't know that.

Here's a couple of gems I'll pull out of your post:

A PPC phone like the Keiser, Wizard, etc... would ALSO BE YOUR CELL. I don't understand this statement.

Huh? Once again. The PPC would pick up your cellular network.... ????

No they don't. You're missing the point here- They are designed to be phones too! And HTC has placed the same quality mic/speakers (if not better) as your beloved tornado.

Basically, the only way your arguments make sense is if you made certain incorrect assumptions.

This is why I was trying to help clarify it for you.

Gosh, there's no reason to get all defensive!

I'll give you one thing, tho... PPC's tend to be bricks. I never liked holding a PPC-phone to my head to talk, or even a blackberry for that matter. But, we're actually the minority here, since larger touchscreen Qwerty phones are eating up the market faster than our beloved candybar phone form factor.

In any case, if you want to read a whole breakdown of what Smartphone Vs. PPC is (according to Microsoft, who creates the two platforms), read this blog article: What is smartphone edition anyway?

You read my reply so carefully... yet you forgot that I only quoted the following from mikeeey.

"""this phone is awfully close to a pocket pc tho, why not just get a pocket pc if your gonnna get something that similiar? like the kaiser!""

Like the kaiser... Was the after thought... I repeat... why not just get a """POCKET PC""" was his MAIN argument.

enough said.

Edited May 7, 2007 by tamanaco

[Guest flywest]

Yes I would definitely say the HTC Tornado is definitely ahead of it's time. Coming from someone who switched devices at leat every 4 months trying different devices I can say that my Qtek 8300 is a great phone. I have now owned my Qtek 8300 17 months. That is incredible for me and my wife will tell you also. I love the form factor,, mini-usb charger cable, QVGA, and the multitude of software that keeps coming toward the smartphone. Like someone pointed out before the MS Smartphone is gaining huge traction and everyone is realising that from Yahoo to Google, and all of the pocket pocket pc software makers. My most recent addition is Excel, Word, and Powerpoint from Microsoft that someone ported over from a WM6 device. I love my Qtek 8300. I wish HTC would come back to this candybar style platform(not a vox) and create a more multimedia(I'm thinking Nokia N-series theme) based smartphone with the same form factor, bigger screen, bigger memory, 3.5mm headphone jack, HSPDA, GPS, and a scroll wheel. Something more aligned to compete with a Nokia N95 or Iphone. I think over the last year with the addition of push email on WM5 that MS and HTC had the intent of competing with Blackberry for the business customer. It is only a matter of time and they will offer something for everyone I hope.

[Guest dishe]

You read my reply so carefully... yet you forgot that I only quoted the following from mikeeey.

"""this phone is awfully close to a pocket pc tho, why not just get a pocket pc if your gonnna get something that similiar? like the kaiser!""

Like the kaiser... Was the after thought... I repeat... why not just get a """POCKET PC""" was his MAIN argument.

enough said.

My goodness... THE KAISER IS A POCKET PC!

He was saying that once you have a big screen and slide out keyboard, it approaches the "brick" sized Pocket Pc phones, which would sort of defeat the purpose!

He was using the Kaiser as an example, not an afterthought! No one on this forum would bother suggesting an antiquated Pocket PC without the phone part of it. I didn't even know they still made those...

Sheesh.

From now on, when anyone on Modaco talks about a PPC, unless otherwise stated, you can assume they are talking about a PPC PHONE, such as the Hermes, Tytn, Wizard, Kaiser, etc...

flywest, where did you find office extracted from WM6? I'd love to try that on my Tornado!

[Guest tamanaco]

My goodness... THE KAISER IS A POCKET PC!

He was saying that once you have a big screen and slide out keyboard, it approaches the "brick" sized Pocket Pc phones, which would sort of defeat the purpose!

He was using the Kaiser as an example, not an afterthought! No one on this forum would bother suggesting an antiquated Pocket PC without the phone part of it. I didn't even know they still made those...

Sheesh.

From now on, when anyone on Modaco talks about a PPC, unless otherwise stated, you can assume they are talking about a PPC PHONE, such as the Hermes, Tytn, Wizard, Kaiser, etc...

flywest, where did you find office extracted from WM6? I'd love to try that on my Tornado!

GOT IT... to you PPC = PPC with Phone... PPC without a phone no longer exist... and are not to be discussed in this forum unless it meets YOUR criteria... Who died and made you forum chief?

Edited May 8, 2007 by tamanaco

[Guest dishe]

GOT IT... to you PPC = PPC with Phone... PPC without a phone no longer exist... and are not to be discussed in this forum unless it meets YOUR criteria... Who died and made you forum chief?

MY criteria? :rolleyes:

Take a look around, buddy. No one here discusses Pocket PC devices without phones.

Personally, I have an old ipaq 4150 running WM2003, NO PHONE PART, and as far as I'm concerned I think it kicks the pants off of any current Pocket PC phone in terms of form factor. But, no one here wants to hear about that.

As far as anyone on this forum in concerned, non-phone PPC's do not exist. I'm not chief, I'm not even a moderator. I'm just someone who occasionally sees a mistake and tries to fix it.

I'm sorry I started this. No one else responded to you because everyone else isn't interested in getting into a flame war with you. I should have just backed out and ignored you like everyone else.

Sorry.

Assume what you want. I don't care.

Edited May 8, 2007 by dishe

[Guest The Doctor]

MY criteria? :rolleyes:

Take a look around, buddy. No one here discusses Pocket PC devices without phones.

Personally, I have an old ipaq 4150 running WM2003, NO PHONE PART, and as far as I'm concerned I think it kicks the pants off of any current Pocket PC phone in terms of form factor. But, no one here wants to hear about that.

As far as anyone on this forum in concerned, non-phone PPC's do not exist. I'm not chief, I'm not even a moderator. I'm just someone who occasionally sees a mistake and tries to fix it.

I'm sorry I started this. No one else responded to you because everyone else isn't interested in getting into a flame war with you. I should have just backed out and ignored you like everyone else.

Sorry.

Assume what you want. I don't care.

... Moving swiftly on :D

My tornado saw frequent use right up until I got my Hermes (November 2006). There wasn't anything that I saw as an 'upgrade' to it. So I jumped to PPC's. I still occasionally use my Tornado but its mostly for the development of WM6 I'm doing :P

Phil

[Guest conan_troutman]

Yes I would definitely say the HTC Tornado is definitely ahead of it's time. Coming from someone who switched devices at leat every 4 months trying different devices I can say that my Qtek 8300 is a great phone. I have now owned my Qtek 8300 17 months. That is incredible for me and my wife will tell you also. I love the form factor,, mini-usb charger cable, QVGA, and the multitude of software that keeps coming toward the smartphone. Like someone pointed out before the MS Smartphone is gaining huge traction and everyone is realising that from Yahoo to Google, and all of the pocket pocket pc software makers. My most recent addition is Excel, Word, and Powerpoint from Microsoft that someone ported over from a WM6 device. I love my Qtek 8300. I wish HTC would come back to this candybar style platform(not a vox) and create a more multimedia(I'm thinking Nokia N-series theme) based smartphone with the same form factor, bigger screen, bigger memory, 3.5mm headphone jack, HSPDA, GPS, and a scroll wheel. Something more aligned to compete with a Nokia N95 or Iphone. I think over the last year with the addition of push email on WM5 that MS and HTC had the intent of competing with Blackberry for the business customer. It is only a matter of time and they will offer something for everyone I hope.

I agree totally with this I dont need nor do I want a Qwerty keypad, but I do want all the other trimings on offer in the HTC WINGS (s730) but I want it in a standard canday bar format ideally in the QTEK 8310 housing.

more importantly to me is a Cradle compatable with my car kit so i can see my TomTom displayed on the screen and hear the sound through the loud speaker while I listen to my tunes on the car stereo.My tornado allows me to do that but I bet none of the new phones get dedicated cradles as their all going BT you cant get you TomTom Voice directions to your car kit via BT unless you do some reg edits and add some extra software.

so yes the tornado is STILL ahead in this game

[Guest Webreaper]

PPC's tend to be bricks.

This in the context of a Smartphone vs PocketPC discussion is absurd.

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1779

shows quite effectively that the difference between a smartphone and PocketPC is almost insignificant!

[Guest conan_troutman]

this thread is not about the diffs between PPC and Smartphones, there's a whole other thread for that lets just leave it be and concentrate on the question

The Tornado - ahead of its time yes or no ?

thank you and good day

[Guest Ingvarr]

This in the context of a Smartphone vs PocketPC discussion is absurd.

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1779

shows quite effectively that the difference between a smartphone and PocketPC is almost insignificant!

This is common misconception.

It's caused by the fact that to increase volume and weight by 1.5 times (dont tell me 50% increase is insignificant), you need only increase height, width and depth only 1.15 times (15%) each, and thats can fool you "its almost the same". It isnt.

Take in one hand a 100-gram Tornado and in other - 160-gram Wizard, and you will feel the "insignificant" difference :rolleyes:

Edited May 11, 2007 by Ingvarr

[Guest tamanaco]

this thread is not about the diffs between PPC and Smartphones, there's a whole other thread for that lets just leave it be and concentrate on the question

The Tornado - ahead of its time yes or no ?

thank you and good day

Going back to the subject topic... yes!... The Tornado is still ahead of its time. Maybe not in the European market, but in the US market the major service providers do not sell cell phones with buit-in wifi. Not a good fit for their business model. When I purchased my Tornado I wanted my new... for lack of a better term and to avoid deviating from the topic... "smart communicator" to have the following features... 1. GPRS Quad band (with Edge) , 2. WiFi, 3. Bluetooth, 4. IR, 5. Mini USB, 6. miniSD slot, 7. A fast CPU, 8. WM5 and 9. A Heaphone plug. Not in any particular order of priority. The Tornado met all, but felt a bit short with its 200MHz CPU and USB 1.1. At the time the BenQ P50, O2 Atom, the SX66 and the HP 6325 were the "smart communicators" which I was using for comparison as these also met most of "my" requirements except for form factor and lack of "traditional" cell phone keypad. At the time there was no "smart communicator" that supported 802.11b/g. To this day, only devices similar to the Tornado manufactured by HTC excite me or meet my requirements. Like someone mentioned above "Something more aligned to compete with a Nokia N95 or Iphone." The form factor is still a bit of an issue for me and so the Tornado remains my "smart communicator" of choice. So far, I can only complain about the lack of responsiveness that I get (some times) from the joystick and the fact that no full "official" upgrade to WM6 is available. Seing that the HTC s710 with WM6 was out got me looking again, but as I said before, there are not enough additional features in the s710 to persuade me to buy one. The Tornado is still a bit ahead of its time as no other "smart communicator" that "I" know has the same small form factor. But, with the upcomming s730 with HSDPA, 400Mhz CPU, Built-in GPS, 802.11b/g, USB 2.0, rotary scroll wheel and who knows what else... is starting to shake the throne where my Tornado sits.

If I Am a bit off topic because I mentioned the s710/s730... I apologize, but I needed contemporary/future devices with "similar" features that I'm considering to compare them against my own Tornado in order to justify some of my statements and "my preferences". Btw, I just looked at one of those Samsung UpStage. It's 0.37" thin... Music Player on one side... cell phone PIM on the other... IMHO, that's the kind of form factor I'll like to see in a new HTC "smart communicator".

[Guest Innersense]

+1 vote from a very satisfied owner

I love my Tornado [HTC V1240 from Vodafone witch I have upgraded with Qtek 8310 ROM]

For anxious buyers how want ultimate “custom-ability” in a small candy bar form Tornado was 2 years before and still stands as a unique solution.

I m very sad that HTC did not officially supported it with a WM6 upgrade even if the device is full capable of it.

Perhaps they have understand that for once they have sort out in the market a device that doesn’t need to be changed in one year like most of ppc. (Considering that Smartphone users in that’s small form factor have less demanding for up-to-date edge technology).

Small requiem for a decent device…

[Guest mikeeey]

Ummm... he meant a Pocket-PC phone. He even said "like the kaiser". Did you bother looking up what the Kaiser is?

I think you misunderstood what the difference is between a PPC and Smartphone.

A PPC is something like the HTC Wizard, a Windows Mobile phone that is roughly the size of the Pocket PCs of yesteryear with a large touchscreen for input. A Smartphone is a Windows Mobile phone that is shaped like a regular phone, and forgoes the touchscreen for a more traditional button input.

I didn't know anyone even considered buying non-phone PDA's these days. Yes, EVERYONE is into convergence, not just you.

All the stuff you mentioned is just as do-able on a PPC phone. And for future reference, the Treo is a mislabelled PPC phone, not a smartphone; In the eyes of Microsoft, smartphone means a small non-touch device that runs their smartphone OS. According to Palm, smartphone just means a PDA that is also a phone (hence the misunderstood title), whereas MS would call that a Pocket PC phone. That's probably got you confused.

yes i ment pocket pc phone, which are much smaller than just pocket pcs. not to mention, the kaiser will be even smaller than most ppc phones which is a good thing.

i do have a smartphone and i did like it for it's internet but that was the same reason why i want a ppc(phone) now. you can surf faster and there's a keyboard which makes things faster, plus the touchscreen you just need to touch the links instead of tab thru each link which takes much more time.

who knows, maybe they will eventually make pocket pc phones with touchscreens the size of our normal QVGA smartphones (for people who like the smaller devices)