This isn't how the Omnia is supposed to perform is it?

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

Hi, I'm in the UK from Sheffied.

I have just upgraded to an Omnia from an Iphone 2.5g. I had read reviews about the features and performance of Omnia before I upgarded and decided to go for it.

At the moment the touch screen response seem's quite sluggish. I guess coming from an Iphone to the Omnia it's going to take a bit off getting used to and a lot of customisation

before i am happy with touch menu's and controls. I guess I was hoping for a few more bells and whistles interms of menu animation e.t.c.

I installed the latest version of S2P, but when browsing album art it can freeze intermittantly, and wont show the

cover art. If I restart the app the cover art that wasn't visible can then be seen (before it freezes again).

Main Issue - GPS

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I have installed IGo 8, this is my first experience with GPS. The software connects to the GPS reciever automatically, but it takes 10 -15 before I can get a lock. I don't seem to be

able to get a lock in any building, but 10 -15 mins into my journey I get a lock and start reciving directions.

and it wont allow me to search for any location within sheffield. If sheffield is selected I receive the following

"Fatal Error occured in main thread." Then it kicks me out. It allows me to type in any other city but not my home city of "sheffield". Currently I can get around it by typing in a

sheffield post code i.e S8 but I can't search on the city "Sheffield".

I have Firmware version xxhg5 could this be part of my problem, do i need to upgrade?

Any help/guidance would be appreciated.

----Modified Post-------

I installed the SPB mobile Shell and Kyro skins and they have transformed the phone. I also added a data bundle to my orange account and switched on the AGPS and the sat is running brilliantly. I now get a lock in approx 10-15 seconds.

I am looking to purchase some navigation software now. Preferably one that lets me search "Sheffield". :lol:

I can honestly say that this phone is starting to live up to my expectations!

Edited October 28, 2008 by pjhoughton1976

[Guest mobilehappy]

You might want to do a ROM update, the official ROM version is now at HJ6 and have many enhancements compared to older versions.

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

You might want to do a ROM update, the official ROM version is now at HJ6 and have many enhancements compared to older versions.

Is that the ROM your running at the moment?

Have you come across any of the issues that i'm facing? I have been scouring the forums for I while but not found any other people with the same issues.

[Guest gravityz]

install spb mobile shell on it and your screen wil speedup bigtime

very strange thst the omnia with normal wm6.1 user interface is so slow but when you install spb monileshell with al of it's graphics you might think it gets slower

well, NOT AT ALL.

i also installed the skinset from

http://www.imarche.net/omnia/kyro.php?page=1

you can shoose the Kyro iphone skinset and you basically have an iphone user interface with al the good things from wm6.1(like install any program you like)

regarding gps

this is an A-gps which means it needs help by downloading data

this data is only being downloaded over 3G, wifi ore activesync

somewhow it is not working over gprs.

if it can not download the data it will search for the location manually and this will take a lot of time

i think you should put aps on on (xtra data)

once it downloaded that info you can disable it.

if you have free internet keep it on

igo works recognises it no matter what but it is always helpfull if the gps gets the XTRA data

the agps is not as sensitive as my holux 236

eg you can only use it outside.

Is that the ROM your running at the moment?

Have you come across any of the issues that i'm facing? I have been scouring the forums for I while but not found any other people with the same issues.

Edited October 27, 2008 by gravityz

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

install spb mobile shell on it and your screen wil speedup bigtime

very strange thst the omnia with normal wm6.1 user interface is so slow but when you install spb monileshell with al of it's graphics you might think it gets slower

well, NOT AT ALL.

i also installed the skinset from

http://www.imarche.net/omnia/kyro.php?page=1

you can shoose the Kyro iphone skinset and you basically have an iphone user interface with al the good things from wm6.1(like install any program you like)

regarding gps

this is an A-gps which means it needs help by downloading data

this data is only being downloaded over 3G, wifi ore activesync

somewhow it is not working over gprs.

if it can not download the data it will search for the location manually and this will take a lot of time

the agps is not as sensitive as my holux 236

eg you can only use it outside.

OK I wil give the spb mobile shell a go.

I tought the Omnia used both GPS and AGPS. GPS using the Satelittes to triangulate your position and the AGPS using the Cell towers to triangulate your position.

I thought that the AGPS was expensive to use as it because of the data charges associted with 3G, GPRS? With that in mind i switched it off through the phones control panel.

Should I be using AGPS with IGO?

Cheers for your responses!!

[Guest gravityz]

You are right that agps is normally more expensive

this however applies to systems which are constant in to contact with free open air so it does not matter if they were searching for an hour before.

In our case the gps most of the time has bad reception so it does not know were it is

when it sees clear sky it neeeds some help to start it uip otherwise it will take a long time to scan the complete sky.

the agps in the phones use the location of the gsm antenna to see where it approximately is.

this way the gps knows in which area of approx 500 meter it is.

when it knows it's possible gps location, current time it only scans for those satellites which should be visible for him at that specific time.

normally it scans the complete area for all satellites and this takes time.

once it has a fix it is relatively easy to maintain that fix.

OK I wil give the spb mobile shell a go.

I tought the Omnia used both GPS and AGPS. GPS using the Satelittes to triangulate your position and the AGPS using the Cell towers to triangulate your position.

I thought that the AGPS was expensive to use as it because of the data charges associted with 3G, GPRS? With that in mind i switched it off through the phones control panel.

Should I be using AGPS with IGO?

Cheers for your responses!!

[Guest fridgeman]

i have the same problem with iGo and Sheffield on my pda and phone.

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

I guess I'll have to try using the device with AGPS activated aswell then. Sounds like it maybe too expense to use the Omnia as a Sat nav device like I intended!

Thanks again.

[Guest Shadowy]

I guess I'll have to try using the device with AGPS activated aswell then. Sounds like it maybe too expense to use the Omnia as a Sat nav device like I intended!

Thanks again.

The file it downloads is less than 39kb in size, and I've found you only need to download it a maximum of once a day.

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

i have the same problem with iGo and Sheffield on my pda and phone.

Yeah the Sheffield issue is really strange. Now when I select the find an address "Sheffield" has already been filled in, but I can't select until I change the "Sheffield" to a valid postcode within Sheffield itself (if that makes sense).

Tried reinstalling the app twice but it hasn't worked.

[Guest Neil5459]

I guess I'll have to try using the device with AGPS activated aswell then. Sounds like it maybe too expense to use the Omnia as a Sat nav device like I intended!

Thanks again.

The AGPS on WinMo devices uses a minimal amount of data, so it won't be expensive to run (I think it's only about 10KB every 5 days or so, as the rough location is cached)

Most GPS receivers have trouble getting a lock indoors, and most take about 5-10 minutes for a 1st fix; more so if actually moving. After the 1st fix, subsequent fixes ought to be much faster.

iGO8- can I pose an 'indelicate' question, and ask if you are using a genuine iGO8 installation/data SD card? There are no known issues with crashes on the genuine version, but some of the cracked versions have issues with Manchester and Sheffield :lol: Unfortunately, Nav'n'Go are not yet issuing any incremental updates to iGO8.

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

The file it downloads is less than 39kb in size, and I've found you only need to download it a maximum of once a day.

Really??? where did you find that out?

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

The AGPS on WinMo devices uses a minimal amount of data, so it won't be expensive to run (I think it's only about 10KB every 5 days or so, as the rough location is cached)

Most GPS receivers have trouble getting a lock indoors, and most take about 5-10 minutes for a 1st fix; more so if actually moving. After the 1st fix, subsequent fixes ought to be much faster.

iGO8- can I pose an 'indelicate' question, and ask if you are using a genuine iGO8 installation/data SD card? There are no known issues with crashes on the genuine version, but some of the cracked versions have issues with Manchester and Sheffield :lol: Unfortunately, Nav'n'Go are not yet issuing any incremental updates to iGO8.

The installation I used was from a friend who has Touch Diamond. So there was no SD. I was told it was a pukka copy but after reading your last post, I guess it wasn't!

It's strange how it's just Manchester and Sheffield (just my luck :D).

[Guest Neil5459]

The installation I used was from a friend who has Touch Diamond. So there was no SD. I was told it was a pukka copy but after reading your last post, I guess it wasn't!

It's strange how it's just Manchester and Sheffield (just my luck :lol:).

Unfortunately, there is a huge problem with 'warez' copies of iGO8 and MoDaCo can't be seen to condone any unauthorised use. Nav'n'Go have some serious issues to examine- there is no UK distributor yet, so only previous iGO2006 users can obtain iGO8 direct in UK, or by mail order from other Eu locations. Also, they lock the software to the supplied SD card, so users of devices without card slots (eg the Diamond) are totally excluded.

Some users have succeeded in breaking the locking, and it is these copies that are doing the rounds, but a lot of them have reliability issues. If you can bear the €150 cost, then iGO8 is a superb system, but it is undeniably expensive (though it does include 42 countries)

[Guest nLinked]

install spb mobile shell on it and your screen wil speedup bigtime

very strange thst the omnia with normal wm6.1 user interface is so slow but when you install spb monileshell with al of it's graphics you might think it gets slower

well, NOT AT ALL.

i also installed the skinset from

http://www.imarche.net/omnia/kyro.php?page=1

you can shoose the Kyro iphone skinset and you basically have an iphone user interface with al the good things from wm6.1(like install any program you like)

regarding gps

this is an A-gps which means it needs help by downloading data

this data is only being downloaded over 3G, wifi ore activesync

somewhow it is not working over gprs.

if it can not download the data it will search for the location manually and this will take a lot of time

i think you should put aps on on (xtra data)

once it downloaded that info you can disable it.

if you have free internet keep it on

igo works recognises it no matter what but it is always helpfull if the gps gets the XTRA data

the agps is not as sensitive as my holux 236

eg you can only use it outside.

Your's is the first post I've ever read saying how the GPS works. I've always been confused as to why it was take so long to connect.

After my first XTRA download, iGo connects within 10-20 seconds without any other software needed. However, I have seen a post that recommends removing 2 values from the Omnia's registry and deleting 2 log files. Would you recommend this? I have already done the tweak and I have XTRA download disabled now so I don't know how quickly my iGo will connect tomorrow or in a few days - will need to try it. But do you think that registry tweak is of any benefit?

And if I leave the registry tweak in-place, will XTRA download still work even though I deleted those 2 log files? Does XTRA not need them?

This is the tweak I'm referring to: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-omnia-h...t-xtra-enabled/

Most replies congratulate it.

[Guest SteveEdson]

yeah i have the same Sheffield problem, get around it by either using a postcode or by using the area, eg, Kiveton Park, Sheffield.

I usually get a lock within a minute without XTRA or any other tweak, But then at other times it won't get anything at all until i restart iGo 8.

[Guest pjhoughton1976]

Your's is the first post I've ever read saying how the GPS works. I've always been confused as to why it was take so long to connect.

After my first XTRA download, iGo connects within 10-20 seconds without any other software needed. However, I have seen a post that recommends removing 2 values from the Omnia's registry and deleting 2 log files. Would you recommend this? I have already done the tweak and I have XTRA download disabled now so I don't know how quickly my iGo will connect tomorrow or in a few days - will need to try it. But do you think that registry tweak is of any benefit?

And if I leave the registry tweak in-place, will XTRA download still work even though I deleted those 2 log files? Does XTRA not need them?

This is the tweak I'm referring to: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-omnia-h...t-xtra-enabled/

Most replies congratulate it.

I saw the same post "Get your GPS quicker fix, without enabling Enhanced GPS". I edited the registry files

CurrentLogFile (originally \GPSID_log.txt)

OldLogFile (originally \GPSID_log.bak)

I then removed the log file "GPSID_log".

I then tried GPS and found no noticable improvement.

I wasn't until after, when I followed nLinked's advice that I got the GPS to function as it should.

That said I can't see a problem in trying that registry hack. Sounds like the original registry settings were intended just for debugging anyway.

[Guest nLinked]

I saw the same post "Get your GPS quicker fix, without enabling Enhanced GPS". I edited the registry files

CurrentLogFile (originally \GPSID_log.txt)

OldLogFile (originally \GPSID_log.bak)

I then removed the log file "GPSID_log".

I then tried GPS and found no noticable improvement.

I wasn't until after, when I followed nLinked's advice that I got the GPS to function as it should.

That said I can't see a problem in trying that registry hack. Sounds like the original registry settings were intended just for debugging anyway.

After an extra day's test, I must conclude those registry tweaks don't help me at all. It worked once and connected iGo and TomTom in a few seconds and I got excited for the moment, but now both take ages to connect.

I am able to connect with the default ports the Omnia is configured with (port 3, port 9 hardware, 4800), and iGo works without GPSGate running. It finds the GPS device, but now keeps trying to connect to satelites. Yesterday it connected in 10 seconds, right now I've been waiting for over 5 minutes and still no satelites although it has found the integrated GPS device on port 3. Still waiting for satelites...

I also just tried downloading the latest data with XTRA, but its not helping. It seems it only works once by luck every few days, but 80% of the time it can't connect for ages.

My HTC Touch Diamond connects inside the house with curtains closed in under 20 seconds on TomTom and iGo with no data downloads.

[Guest gravityz]

the gps tweak is not actually working very good

most people notice no improvement at all

a lot of people notice that it is actually slower(because the XTRA" data file is removed.

i think this might only have worked on those singapoere omnia's

i tried it with nboth my old and new rom but without the XTRA file it really has a hard time finding it's position.

the AGPS was designed to work this way so it beats me why removing the XTRA data would speed it up on any device when you remove this.

it helps a lot to test outside

inside it really does not work.

once you have a fix you can go inside because then it only needs a couple of sattelites to see were it is.

signal however inside will be a lot lower thus you can loose the fix.

Your's is the first post I've ever read saying how the GPS works. I've always been confused as to why it was take so long to connect.

After my first XTRA download, iGo connects within 10-20 seconds without any other software needed. However, I have seen a post that recommends removing 2 values from the Omnia's registry and deleting 2 log files. Would you recommend this? I have already done the tweak and I have XTRA download disabled now so I don't know how quickly my iGo will connect tomorrow or in a few days - will need to try it. But do you think that registry tweak is of any benefit?

And if I leave the registry tweak in-place, will XTRA download still work even though I deleted those 2 log files? Does XTRA not need them?

This is the tweak I'm referring to: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-omnia-h...t-xtra-enabled/

Most replies congratulate it.

[Guest nLinked]

the gps tweak is not actually working very good

most people notice no improvement at all

a lot of people notice that it is actually slower(because the XTRA" data file is removed.

i think this might only have worked on those singapoere omnia's

i tried it with nboth my old and new rom but without the XTRA file it really has a hard time finding it's position.

the AGPS was designed to work this way so it beats me why removing the XTRA data would speed it up on any device when you remove this.

it helps a lot to test outside

inside it really does not work.

once you have a fix you can go inside because then it only needs a couple of sattelites to see were it is.

signal however inside will be a lot lower thus you can loose the fix.

I have just put those registry values back in and did an XTRA download. It recreated the log files. But now I want my XTRA file back but didn't back it up. Is everyone's the same? Or do I have to hard reset?!

[Guest gravityz]

No you need to download it again

connrct your phone to your pc

after it has synced go to

settings enhanced gps

press the download button and it will download the file

please note this file contains accurate data about your current position.

restoring it or copying it from somebody else will have no effect(exept that it does not help you)

I have just put those registry values back in and did an XTRA download. It recreated the log files. But now I want my XTRA file back but didn't back it up. Is everyone's the same? Or do I have to hard reset?!

[Guest nLinked]

No you need to download it again

connrct your phone to your pc

after it has synced go to

settings enhanced gps

press the download button and it will download the file

please note this file contains accurate data about your current position.

restoring it or copying it from somebody else will have no effect(exept that it does not help you)

Thanks, I've restored the 2 registry values, their log and bak files have been created and I did a download, and the XTRA file is also back.

The phone's poor GPS makes it completely unreliable for me. I hope a firmware update can fix this (waiting for the UK release). Will it help at all or is it a hardware limitation? It can't connect even after downloading data. I've waited outside and iGo (without GPSGate) and TomTom (with GPSGate) take forever to connect, to the point I just give up.

My HTC Touch Diamond connects anywere, even inside a closed house in a few seconds making it my only choice when travelling to an unfamiliar place - it will connect on-demand. I can't see myself taking the Omnia right now because it won't connect in seconds (if at all!). Once though, it did connect and worked flawlessly (took over 10 minutues), but with perfectly accurate timely instructions. But even then, the battery with my ROM drains unrealistically fast!

Will a good firmware update ever be able to fix the GPS connectivity issues and make it connect within a minute at all times? I don't know what to do with this phone now. My Diamond is the best phone I've ever had for everything, but the Omnia has the best video playback...

EDIT: Well, after a few days of not usingt the Omnia or downloading any XTRA data, I went outside in the open, started GPSGate and TomTom, and got a GPS connection. Took 3 minutes but at least it works...

Edited November 2, 2008 by nLinked