Screen Resolution- What was Samsung thinking?!!!

[Guest tibor28]

I really feel this issue must be discussed. Arent you guys mad at the omnias screen resolution sometimes?! Not only that it is way too low for a screen that size but it is also a non-standard qVGA so there are so many compatibility issues. I just realised that not a single good windows mobile game works on it! And if it does there is the ugly black space on the bottom of the screen because the game was not made for this weird resolution. Seriously what was Samsung thinking when they put this screen into such an amazing phone as Omnia! I love my Omnia to death but when someone asks me if they should get it I can never say I trully recommend just because of the goddamn screen res. What are your views on this guys? I want a normal discusson not flaming please.

Edited December 27, 2008 by tibor28

[Guest sztupy]

I really feel this issue must be discussed. Arent you guys mad at the omnias screen resolution sometimes?! Not only that it is way too low for a screen that size but it is also a non-standard qVGA so there are so many compatibility issues. I just realised that not a single good windows mobile game works on it! And if it does there is the ugly black space on the bottom of the screen because the game was not made for this weird resolution. Seriously what was Samsung thinking when they put this screen into such an amazing phone as Omnia! I love my Omnia to death but when someone asks me if they should get it I can never say I trully recommend just because of the goddamn screen res. What are your views on this guys? I want a normal discusson not flaming please.

The uglyness remains, but you may use fixWVGA to run games that are only made for normal QVGA resolution (like pocketufo).

[Guest Ingvarr]

You "dont want flaming", but your post is itself pretty much provocative.

This resolution is not "non-standard", it was included in Windows Mobile standard res list since WM6.0 I think at least. Its really a fault of app developers that they dont wish to support a resolution when there are no devices with it yet, even if its one of standard resoultions. Then such device appears, and their apps dont work on it properly, figures.

This (wide) screen factor utilizes the available space is a lot better, because its natural for ergonomic phone to be elongated, and not square (or you will end with smaller screen and a lot of area not used for screen).

The VGA is good looking, but pretty straining on memory resources, CPU and bus, because its 4x times more data to store and push around. Performance can be made adequate with modern chipset, but it inevitably will come down to worse battery life. Since the screen is actually not that big, this resolution will mostly result in pixels made very small, that is really most useful only for photo viewing. It makes text look better, but it not essential for Roman alphabets. Essential for Japanese, Chinese and Korean ideographs though, that why most phones on these markets are high-res.

Edited December 27, 2008 by Ingvarr

[Guest clvc]

You "dont want flaming", but your post is itself pretty much provocative.

This resolution is not "non-standard", it was included in Windows Mobile standard res list since WM6.0 I think at least. Its really a fault of app developers that they dont wish to support a resolution when there are no devices with it yet, even if its one of standard resoultions. Then such device appears, and their apps dont work on it properly, figures.

This (wide) screen factor utilizes the available space is a lot better, because its natural for ergonomic phone to be elongated, and not square (or you will end with smaller screen and a lot of area not used for screen).

The VGA is good looking, but pretty straining on memory resources, CPU and bus, because its 4x times more data to store and push around. Performance can be made adequate with modern chipset, but it inevitably will come down to worse battery life. Since the screen is actually not that big, this resolution will mostly result in pixels made very small, that is really most useful only for photo viewing. It makes text look better, but it not essential for Roman alphabets. Essential for Japanese, Chinese and Korean ideographs though, that why most phones on these markets are high-res.

What I really don´t like is that it´s very difficult to read maps etc on the screen under sunlight.

This is due to the resolution or not ?

[Guest Ingvarr]

This is because the screen is with purely transmissive backlight, without reflective layer behind it, like iPhone one.

Honestly I dont know any WM device with transflective screen, VGA or not.

Edited December 27, 2008 by Ingvarr

[Guest tibor28]

You "dont want flaming", but your post is itself pretty much provocative.

This resolution is not "non-standard", it was included in Windows Mobile standard res list since WM6.0 I think at least. Its really a fault of app developers that they dont wish to support a resolution when there are no devices with it yet, even if its one of standard resoultions. Then such device appears, and their apps dont work on it properly, figures.

This (wide) screen factor utilizes the available space is a lot better, because its natural for ergonomic phone to be elongated, and not square (or you will end with smaller screen and a lot of area not used for screen).

The VGA is good looking, but pretty straining on memory resources, CPU and bus, because its 4x times more data to store and push around. Performance can be made adequate with modern chipset, but it inevitably will come down to worse battery life. Since the screen is actually not that big, this resolution will mostly result in pixels made very small, that is really most useful only for photo viewing. It makes text look better, but it not essential for Roman alphabets. Essential for Japanese, Chinese and Korean ideographs though, that why most phones on these markets are high-res.

I dont know what you find provocative about my post since I am a happy Omnia owner and I said that I love the device but this is the only thing thats messing it up for me a little and I am wondering why did samsung do it... :rolleyes:

Edited December 27, 2008 by tibor28

[Guest Ingvarr]

Well, you sounded like Samsung engineers are newbies not seeing the obvious things.

While in fact they just had to decide on best compromise, since you cant have everything, you will have trade something for something.

Screen size for space and weight.

Speed for battery life.

Features for price.

etc, etc.

Thats why there will be no ideal device for everybody ever, since there is always will be a compromise, and feature preferences are different for everybody.

Edited December 27, 2008 by Ingvarr

[Guest tibor28]

Well, you sounded like Samsung engineers are newbies not seeing the obvious things.

While in fact they just had to decide on best compromise, since you cant have everything, you will have trade something for something.

Screen size for space and weight.

Speed for battery life.

Features for price.

etc, etc.

Thats why there will be no ideal device for everybody ever, since there is always will be a compromise, and feature preferences are different for everybody.

Well its a bit sad that T-omnia which is sold in asia has a WVGA 800x480 screen, 800mhz cpu, and a digital TV receiver while keeping the price, battery performance, size and weight at the same levels as the Omnia we get in USA and Europe... T-omnia is THE perfect device so why cant we get it? But thats another discussion I guess.

Edited December 27, 2008 by tibor28

[Guest Turb0wned]

this is one of the reasons i bought a touch hd. and the 3.8 in screen adds to it.

[Guest Omnia_1]

There must be some compromises with battery, RAM and CPU, higher res means greater processing power more RAM and more battery drainage, there is no perfect solution to any problem because we all have different expectations and standards. I love HTC's Manila HD its really a pleasure to use (running in my Diamond) but I can say from experience the Omnia is so far superior to Diamond in hardware its just not funny. Admittedly the display is hard to see in daylight but as already mentined there are not many "high end" devices with transflective screen and as for WQVGA it certainly isnt a problem, video is outstanding far more enjoyable than Diamond and far more vibrant colour too. The fact is the moment you buy something you can gaurantee it will be superseeded almost instantly, the Omnia is fantastic value for money.:)

Holy crap SS should send me some $$ :rolleyes:

Edited December 28, 2008 by Omnia_1

[Guest Ingvarr]

Well its a bit sad that T-omnia which is sold in asia has a WVGA 800x480 screen, 800mhz cpu, and a digital TV receiver while keeping the price, battery performance, size and weight at the same levels as the Omnia we get in USA and Europe... T-omnia is THE perfect device so why cant we get it? But thats another discussion I guess.

Can I ask you, have you seen actual battery benchmarks for T-Omnia in comparison with Omnia?

[Guest Omniakid]

What are you winging about?

I've ripped a DVD and converted it to Divx and it play as clearly and crisply as any other device I've used (iTouch, Ipod Video included) bar things like the Archos which are supposed to be a Video-orientated device.

By the way. Do NOT judge the screen based on the provided video clips on the device...

I played them on my computed and they are just as crap and laggy.

The resolution when you make a video so it fits to the screen correctly is fine. I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference.

If you are going in the sun, make sure you turn you backlight up. Problem mostly solved.

Now, use your hand to shade the screen. Problem 100% fixed.

You are right about the games etc.

If you had of winged about the Interface I would have agreed. But not with this. Stupid, Win-Mobile is definitely not the smartest thing Samsung could have used. At least not without their own mods to improve the finger-friendliness of the device.

Chris

[Guest peterk2005]

Well its a bit sad that T-omnia which is sold in asia has a WVGA 800x480 screen, 800mhz cpu, and a digital TV receiver while keeping the price, battery performance, size and weight at the same levels as the Omnia we get in USA and Europe... T-omnia is THE perfect device so why cant we get it? But thats another discussion I guess.

I don't know much about T-Omnia, but I'm glad that we have this "smaller" Omnia available here, 'cause I just don't need that WVGA resolution and faster CPU. :rolleyes: Why would I need them? This little thing can play movies like charm, the UI looks great, iGo runs fine, and flashing a custom ROM, i have enough space for everything.

As far as wQVGA goes, I've never had problems running applications on it. Ok, I don't play games, so this doesn't mean much. Anyway, I think Omnia's popularity will do the job. It's a safe prediction that we will see tons of new and refurbished apps for this resolution very soon. :)