Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Does this mean that because its relese is such a shortime after the release of the omnia it means that samsung are conna make us roms 6.5 shown next month Edited January 21, 2009 by greyfox8585
Guest Frankish Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Multi touch...damn don't get my hopes up!
Guest 3shirts Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 I've no doubt we'll get 6.5 on Omnia (either officially or unofficially) but multi-touch is also limited by hardware and i'm retty sure out phone won't support it
Guest escobol Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 ehh maybe there is a chance that we will see 256k colours on omnia (not 65k), and maybe samsung will make a smal update gift for us
Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 that all theres was. but ill keep an eye out forus. btw if you play th soliatre game grag a card and then put another finger youll see the card go to somewhere inbetween the fingers so the phone can recognise multiple touches just doesnt kno how to figure it out
Guest lastnikita Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 it will be shown next month, available in Q3/Q4 I highly doubt multi-touch will be of the party, coz it would need a new UI design, and you know how MS can be late with those things. don't raise your hopes too much. (btw, a year is not really a "short time" for mobile phones :))
Guest Daugvolf Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 that all theres was. but ill keep an eye out forus. btw if you play th soliatre game grag a card and then put another finger youll see the card go to somewhere inbetween the fingers so the phone can recognise multiple touches just doesnt kno how to figure it out Not quite. It just sees your two fingers as one big wide finger and puts the 'cursor' somewhere in the middle. It absolutely positively cannot do multi-touch in the true sense of the term. It might be able to fake it poorly though.
Guest emre toprak Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 :) Omina Supported Multi Touch ?
Guest Girvo Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Alright: The Omnia uses a resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one. This means that it uses pressure to detect touch, not the residual current running through your fingers. As such, multi-touch on the Omnia is impossible. Some of you may have seen the 6.5 build for the HTC Blue Angel. Keep in mind, it's a very pre-beta release and is mainly still 6.1 with a few 6.5 modules on it. The Omnia will possibly see an unofficial update, but I highly doubt there will be an official one to 6.5. I would love to be proven wrong, but my experience with phone companies is that after-sales support for updates such as this vary between slim and none. I also know that we won't see Windows Mobile 7 on our devices either. It's not going to happen unfortunately. 6.5 has more chance, depending on how big an update it's going to be, but to be honest, I don't know what 6.5 is going to address in the platform that Samsung already haven't.
Guest 3shirts Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Indeed, an official update is highly unliklely, why provide it to customers who have already paid out for their device when they can put it on a new phone and encourage those people to buy a new one?
Guest escobol Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) because they can change the phone for the one with bigger support ? for example htc etc. ? in my opinion, if there will be wm6.5 update for htc`s, x1`s , and not for omnia - i will sell my i900 and forget about samsung mobiles for ever (eh lets be onest i am thinking about it wright now because there is no support from samsung poland for us - we dont get any official updates, we cannot make any updates) you change your rom = you lose warranty , oh yeah you can send your phone to samsung center, wait about 2 weeks, and prey for update (there were causes that pepole sent phone for an update, and got older rom after it) and i am sick about comercials here in Poland - "Everything in one touch" :) yeah especially with wm 6.1 without stylus hmm what i think about wm 6.5 and 7 ? in my opinion microsoft know that they are losing ppc market (because android) so they need to hurry up, or the will lose everything (samsung, htc, motorola are going for android) Edited January 22, 2009 by escobol
Guest theshaz Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 in my opinion microsoft know that they are losing ppc market (because android) so they need to hurry up, or the will lose everything (samsung, htc, motorola are going for android) Almost correct......With Android coming out there will be three big players for the hearts and minds of Smart Phone users. Windows Mobile iPhone Android From watching the Microsoft keynote speech at the CES earlier this month....I finally got the impression that M$ realised that they were falling way behind the curve in the mobile device market. That being said.......this is a good thing. Because one thing Microsoft has done over and over in it's history is beat the crap out of the competition when they get their gander up, they are life long experts of taking technology that other people invent & perfect and make it their own. They also shored up a way to get their future products additional airplay by signing a 4 year contract with Verizon. Once VZ gets off the Storm fiasco, we should be swapped with commercials showing what the next great thing WinMo can do. Apple - give them all the credit....they introduce innovative products and becuase many media types use Mac's in their work & home anything with a "i" in front of it's name has been the hot item to have. Anything touched by the hand of Steve Jobs for the last few years have been golden. You have to wonder what will happen to Apple's mojo when he is gone. From reading between the lines and more inportant, before and after photo's of the guy - there is something seriously wrong with the guy's health. But for the time being....iPhone has all the media creaming their pants over it. Only major flaw was the contract to AT&T. If the iPhone was a cross-carrier with a CDMA version......this debate might be over. Windows Mobile - Workhorse is really the only positive thing you can say. It's not as flashy as the iPhone. But there is a ton of software out there, and even with the high sales of the iPhone - the WinMo phones still sell more becasue it's available for all carriers. It's been around the block and 3rd party apps have found a way to make the experiance better (Thanks SPB!). It's not as "Open Source" as the Android is reported to be, but many people have Dev kits for WinMo and again the software list is huge. Still, Microsoft needs to up the ante and from the CES Keynote speech 6.5 will be a stop gap to Mobile 7. Only time will tell.... Android - Here's Google trying to flex their muscles to see just how big and powerful they have become. Open Source...if good programmers jump in you might see some innovative apps. I haven't played with it yet and can only go by what I have read...It's a nice idea if software is written for it - otherwise it's just a smartphone with a built-in souped-up Google search you can get on the other two devices for free. T-Moblie is banking on it. Will it be a player in two years or go poof? I think in the end Windows Mobile will come out on top. I'm looking for what the future holds, the keynote speech by MS gives me hope that they are hard at work to get back in the game with a large splash.
Guest lastnikita Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 1. you forgot symbian :) 2. as far as I know (but I may be limited on this one), the only new stuff apple introduced was multitouch and gsensor.. and a fast GUI, yeah.. :D
Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Alright: The Omnia uses a resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one. This means that it uses pressure to detect touch, not the residual current running through your fingers. As such, multi-touch on the Omnia is impossible. so you saying because the screen detects pressure it cant support multi touch. if if can detect one point of pressure then a code can be written to detect a second, we know the screen can detect two point because as i said before the solitaire trick proves it. and that reply above about the phone detecting both points as a large finger is not true as you can put the fingers at opposite ends of the screen and itll still work
Guest sugardad Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) AFAIK 6.5 will have NO Multi Touch Support Yes OMNIA and many other alikes will NOT get multitouch support, as It was well stated above OMNIA has Resistive rather than Capacitive Touch Screen FYI about Multitouch and WinMo 6.5 read the Below Hyperlinked Articles ONE TWO We were all expecting this....... Frustration about WinMo Is everywhere on the web all this time, now even more.. Edited January 22, 2009 by sugardad
Guest Girvo Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 so you saying because the screen detects pressure it cant support multi touch. if if can detect one point of pressure then a code can be written to detect a second, we know the screen can detect two point because as i said before the solitaire trick proves it. and that reply above about the phone detecting both points as a large finger is not true as you can put the fingers at opposite ends of the screen and itll still work Trust me: resistive touchscreens cannot have multi-touch. It's made to detect one point. Putting two points of pressure one, you get what's in the centre.
Guest Core Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Some info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Trust me: resistive touchscreens cannot have multi-touch. It's made to detect one point. Putting two points of pressure one, you get what's in the centre. so that mean the creen can physicallt detect two points f touch at the same time so theres no way of knowing whether ms can created a background code for the screen to seperatly detect the two points oh and from wikipedia Multi-touch consists of a touch screen [1] (screen, table, wall, etc.) or touchpad, as well as software that recognizes multiple simultaneous touch points, as opposed to the standard touchscreen (e.g. computer touchpad, ATM), which recognizes only one touch point. This effect is achieved through a variety of means, including but not limited to: heat, FINGER PRESSURE, high capture rate cameras, infrared light, optic capture, tuned electromagnetic induction, ultrasonic receivers, transducer microphones, laser rangefinders, and shadow capture this means that the only thing thats needed is software to work out that two things are touching th screen Edited January 23, 2009 by greyfox8585
Guest bpivk Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) so that mean the creen can physicallt detect two points f touch at the same time so theres no way of knowing whether ms can created a background code for the screen to seperatly detect the two points oh and from wikipedia Multi-touch consists of a touch screen [1] (screen, table, wall, etc.) or touchpad, as well as software that recognizes multiple simultaneous touch points, as opposed to the standard touchscreen (e.g. computer touchpad, ATM), which recognizes only one touch point. This effect is achieved through a variety of means, including but not limited to: heat, FINGER PRESSURE, high capture rate cameras, infrared light, optic capture, tuned electromagnetic induction, ultrasonic receivers, transducer microphones, laser rangefinders, and shadow capture this means that the only thing thats needed is software to work out that two things are touching th screen Not if the screen sends only one signal. In this case the phone would show the middle of two points. Edited January 23, 2009 by bpivk
Guest escobol Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 hmm epic fail :):D in my opinion it is the end of the wm, multitouch in 2010 hahaha , nice one
Guest GodsGift Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 this means that the only thing thats needed is software to work out that two things are touching th screen nope because when you press two points you are creating a separate single pressure point between them.. the HW can only detect a single point. SW aint gonna help! GG
Guest sztupy Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) nope because when you press two points you are creating a separate single pressure point between them.. the HW can only detect a single point. SW aint gonna help! GG The HW might detect multiple pressure points (or more exactly multiple columns and rows) too (like the one seen on the G1 multi-touch video, where the HW can separate multiple lines and columns of pressure), but that's still buggy and nothing compared to real multitouch. Edited January 23, 2009 by sztupy
Guest Natsirt Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Take apart the omnia, stick an iphone in there... then sticky-tape the omnia casing back together.. and voila!! MULTITOUCH!!! Edited January 23, 2009 by Natsirt
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