coreplayer and H.264 format and youtube

February 8, 2009

i tried to play some files on youtube using coreplayer 1.3 and it says i quote:

error message about AVC codec ie h.264 not supported by player? and COREAVC: Maximum 1008 pixel width video supported!

any suggestions?

i would like to know if i can play hi def movies on the omnia, by high def i mean 720p in the h.264 container.

apparently the coreplayer supports it but i cannot get it to play on my omnia. when i try HD trailers on youtube, it gives the above error message and it plays only the sound but not the video.

can anyone suggest any help in this matter?

thnx

Edited February 12, 2009 by kav

February 8, 2009

No suggestion other than to avoid such material. There really is no reason to try and play it on the Omnia anyway, other than there being no lower res version. Surely this isn't the case with the trailers, is it?

As for local files, trying to decode and keep up with such high video bitrates is very taxing on the Omnia. I'd suggest installing a media server on a home PC like Orb and accessing your media that way, transcoding on the fly. Alternatively, go to doom9.org and grab MeGUI, a very easy to use, free media transcoder, and convert your video to Omnia resolution before downloading to your device. It will save you a ton of completely wasted space used by the 720p (or even 480p) resolution, play more smoothly, and work a lot better. You can take a commercial-free EZTV 720p distribution of a TV show (about 43 minutes per hour-long show), @1.09GB, and get it down to ~150MB wihtout any compromise to the video quality as viewed on the Omnia.

If you don't want to be bothered with the time and effort to re-encode video for the Omnia, a streaming media server like Orb or TVersity is the best way to go.

Bottom line is, the Omnia (and every other PDA / smartphone on the market) simply is not an HD AVC profile device. It neither has the display resolution, nor the processing power to display HD formats. Handheld devices aren't likely to ever be designed with such demanding video capability in mind.

Also, for the sake of accuracy, h264 is an encoding format, not a container. h264 coded video is delivered either in MP4, or MKV containers. CorePlayer will work with either one, as well as play a wide range of AVC profiles, including most h264 profiles.

Edited February 8, 2009 by dwallersv

February 9, 2009

No suggestion other than to avoid such material. There really is no reason to try and play it on the Omnia anyway, other than there being no lower res version. Surely this isn't the case with the trailers, is it?

As for local files, trying to decode and keep up with such high video bitrates is very taxing on the Omnia. I'd suggest installing a media server on a home PC like Orb and accessing your media that way, transcoding on the fly. Alternatively, go to doom9.org and grab MeGUI, a very easy to use, free media transcoder, and convert your video to Omnia resolution before downloading to your device. It will save you a ton of completely wasted space used by the 720p (or even 480p) resolution, play more smoothly, and work a lot better. You can take a commercial-free EZTV 720p distribution of a TV show (about 43 minutes per hour-long show), @1.09GB, and get it down to ~150MB wihtout any compromise to the video quality as viewed on the Omnia.

If you don't want to be bothered with the time and effort to re-encode video for the Omnia, a streaming media server like Orb or TVersity is the best way to go.

Bottom line is, the Omnia (and every other PDA / smartphone on the market) simply is not an HD AVC profile device. It neither has the display resolution, nor the processing power to display HD formats. Handheld devices aren't likely to ever be designed with such demanding video capability in mind.

Also, for the sake of accuracy, h264 is an encoding format, not a container. h264 coded video is delivered either in MP4, or MKV containers. CorePlayer will work with either one, as well as play a wide range of AVC profiles, including most h264 profiles.

thnx for the reply and the explanation.

i know it makes no sense to put 720p videos @1.09GB on the omnia because anyway the screen is rather small and the resolution is not of an HD TV :D . i just wanted to see up to what limit can we push the omnia. :) ;) i actually got HD trailers to work on the omnia :) . viewed HD trailers on youtube and they worked fine but when i copied a 1.09GB 720p video on the omnia, it didnt play because it couldnt find the proper decoder for the video.

anyways, one more question. the omnia is supposed to be playing H.264 coded videos "out of the box", am i right?

because it tried to play some H.264 encoded videos but it said that it could find the required codec, then i found a cab file for the AC3 and H.264 codecs. installed them to my device and now it plays pretty much every videos that are within reasonable size and exceptional quality that can be played on the omnia. is there any instability issues if i installed such codecs?

February 9, 2009

anyways, one more question. the omnia is supposed to be playing H.264 coded videos "out of the box", am i right?
because it tried to play some H.264 encoded videos but it said that it could find the required codec, then i found a cab file for the AC3 and H.264 codecs. installed them to my device and now it plays pretty much every videos that are within reasonable size and exceptional quality that can be played on the omnia. is there any instability issues if i installed such codecs?

Out of the box support for h264 and ac3? What player are you talking about? Windows Media Player or Touch Player? If so where are those cabs :)

Edited February 9, 2009 by frmariam

February 12, 2009

Out of the box support for h264 and ac3? What player are you talking about? Windows Media Player or Touch Player? If so where are those cabs :(

touch player is supposed to play those codecs out of the box, but i dont remember if it did before installation of these cabs,but since i installed those cabs, it will play them anyways. i dont remember exatly where i got the cabs, but just use google and u will find them in some forum, i think most definitely at XDA.

Edited February 12, 2009 by kav

February 12, 2009

Do you still have them in you computor? If so please attach them here or upload the somewhere... I'll try to find them but this would be easier

February 12, 2009

Do you still have them in you computor? If so please attach them here or upload the somewhere... I'll try to find them but this would be easier

both of those cabs are to be installed on my device. then soft reset the device after installation of each cab and enjoy :(

ac3.ARM.cab

h264.cab

February 12, 2009

both of those cabs are to be installed on my device. then soft reset the device after installation of each cab and enjoy B)

hey Kav where can i use these files? for coreplayer or touchplayer or...?

can it play mkv files pretty much?

what's ur video player on omnia now? :(

February 12, 2009

hey Kav where can i use these files? for coreplayer or touchplayer or...?

can it play mkv files pretty much?

what's ur video player on omnia now? :(

i have touch player preinstalled but dont really use it so much, its not that its is not capable of playing the files, its just that i dont like the user interface,

i have Coreplayer ver 1.3 installed and i use this one mostly.

the cabs files uploaded are to be saved on an sdcard preferably , in case one day u have to hard reset the fone, u will still have the cabs there. but they NEED to be installed on My Device when prompted during the installation.

it does play mkv files B)

February 12, 2009

Those are the just h264 and ac3 plugins for TCPMP... They're just the avc.plg, aac.plg and ac3.plg. Don't see how these affect the performance of TouchPlayer... Can you really play AVC using TouchPlayer in your device (videos like the latest fansubs from Dattebayo?)?

Edited February 12, 2009 by frmariam

February 12, 2009

Those are the just h264 and ac3 plugins for TCPMP... They're just the avc.plg, aac.plg and ac3.plg. Don't see how these affect the performance of TouchPlayer... Can you really play AVC in your device?

before installing those cabs it didnt, and now it plays those files..

February 12, 2009

Nothing changed for me. DB releases still have no video in TouchPlayer (must use TCPMP GF5500). They seem to change nothing.

Edited February 12, 2009 by frmariam

February 12, 2009

i have touch player preinstalled but dont really use it so much, its not that its is not capable of playing the files, its just that i dont like the user interface,
i have Coreplayer ver 1.3 installed and i use this one mostly.
the cabs files uploaded are to be saved on an sdcard preferably , in case one day u have to hard reset the fone, u will still have the cabs there. but they NEED to be installed on My Device when prompted during the installation.
it does play mkv files B)

but no...mkv still is playing very slow :(

can u try this (i knew scene is illegal here but we need test!) : http://rapidshare.com/files/153860249/Sash...64-2008-mVz.rar

February 13, 2009

but no...mkv still is playing very slow :(

can u try this (i knew scene is illegal here but we need test!) : http://rapidshare.com/files/153860249/Sash...64-2008-mVz.rar

tested this file u posted.

first of all it plays pretty good, but as u mentioned it lags a bit, but only after the 1st min. the first min it plays good then it starts dropping frames. i ran a benchmark and saw that it is actually dropping more than half of the frames from the video.

first time i tried i copied it to my storage, but it lagged earlier during the clip, a bit after the 40th second, then tried copying it to my microsd and it played the first min as i mentioned. i have to point out that when i bought my micro sd i specifically bought a Class6 microsd card, meanig it has a higher minimum data transfer rate in order to be able to view and read HD files from it. the problem is that the omnia is not so powerful to decode so much data at the same time. i dont think there are many other ppc that can play this file smoothly, if there are any at all ( please correct me if i am wrong here)

from my experience, this video has a size of around 688x480 and since our omnia doesnt have hardware video renderer or accelerator, it is using software decoding capabilities, it is actually decoding it pretty good but at the same time it has to resize every frame to fit the screen and this is too much to process at one time. besidea the audio is of high wuality as well 256kbps and again it has totake care of this at the same time. the audio doesnt lag at all if u noticed it.

we have to understand that the omnia is a pocket pc, very nice looking and very capable as well but its not a quadcore with separate HD video card inside it.

try resizing the video (or converting it ) to a lower video size and encode it in H.264 AVC ,pack it in mkv format and try playing it on the omnia, it will play better and will have much less dropped frames.

if u try playing the file on a computer using latest windows media player, it shows that the video is 57 mins long!!,

i think that there are irregularities in the enoding of the files as well. check it out for urself.

February 15, 2009

Wish I could be of more help to you guys, but I'm just not having any problems at all with coreplay on my 910.

Just transferred over the latest episode of The Big Bang Theory (179MB, 624x352, Xvid codec), and it played beautifully, smoothly, without a single dropped frame (well, for about 5 minutes... then I stopped it).

Note that the bitrate of this video is 700kbps. It benchmarked at 1500kbps (ran about twice as fast). Keep in mind that 720p media -- 1280x720, is 4.2 times the pixels, and therefore (first-order approx.) 4x the necessary bitrate, all else being equal in terms of codec settings. This means the Omnia would need to have the processing power, memory speed, and storage card speed to decode and display nearly 3Mbps, which is asking quite a bit.

I'll give a 720p source a try with XScalar, and see if it can handle it at full throttle (620Mhz). For some annoying reason the automatic speed scaling of the Omnia never seems to run it full speed, or even close, as far as I can tell.

In any case, your best bet for material you want to play out of storage on the Omnia is to transcode it down to a lower resolution. There's nothing to be gained, at all, by playing the HD resolution media on a 400x240 screen. You still get 400x240 pixels, and essentially throw all extra data away, and tax the CPU. Go to forum.doom9.org, pick up MeGUI, and learn how to use it to transcode your video. Even the video I used in this example is larger than it need to be, and can be reduced to probably around 100Mb without any loss of image quality and resolution by converting it to display size.

This ran off my class 4 storage card.

Here are the media properties and benchmark screenshots:

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