I like the new iPhone commercials

[Guest Uribam]

It's great Apple made awesome commercials for their brand new iPhone. It's just too bad Omnia could do all that stuff out of the box and without 3 generations. Apple is slacking hard on their phones, and the cult they seem to have gotten seems stupid to me. All they're doing is tricking end users into buying their product because it's new and shiny. They win the uninformed. Seriously, I look down at them now. It's too bad because even though I was never a mac guy or whatever, I always had something good to say about their products. Now I just laugh at them.

Scott

[Guest Rooster Misfit]

It's great Apple made awesome commercials for their brand new iPhone. It's just too bad Omnia could do all that stuff out of the box and without 3 generations. Apple is slacking hard on their phones, and the cult they seem to have gotten seems stupid to me. All they're doing is tricking end users into buying their product because it's new and shiny. They win the uninformed. Seriously, I look down at them now. It's too bad because even though I was never a mac guy or whatever, I always had something good to say about their products. Now I just laugh at them.

Scott

i second that notion

[Guest pallen]

I think they have a great product. Its a great phone. The emphasis on putting serious processor power to the GUI really sold the phone. I have been wishing since the early PocketPC days that MS would do something like that. It does drive me crazy how people think the iPhone is the only advanced phone out there that can do what it can do. Granted it does it with extreme style, but it is not unique when it comes to most of its features.

[Guest Tim-H]

I think the new commercials are pathetic. Like the one that shows video recording, the guy that is supposed to be spying on the phone says "I think it's the same." Trying to spin the fact that they were too lazy to even redesign the case, maybe making it matte instead of slippery as **** gloss that slips around and scratches super easy.

Then the other ones making it sound like cut and paste and voice dialing are amazing breakthroughs. The only time I've ever liked apple was with the IIe, that was a long time ago. Now they just wreak of smugness, selfishness, and arrogance.

[Guest mygraine]

My favorite part about the commercials is the way that they act like they invented cut and paste on a cell phone...ruined my favorite joke about iphones though, cut and paste? do you have an app for that? selling shiny stuff to a cult of mindless sheep, there's a phone for that.

[Guest bornl33t]

My favorite part about the commercials is the way that they act like they invented cut and paste on a cell phone...ruined my favorite joke about iphones though, cut and paste? do you have an app for that? selling shiny stuff to a cult of mindless sheep, there's a phone for that.

I have family member who is die hard apple. I asked him about the new 3gs and he said it was screaming fast! This peaked my interests so I asked about the processor and he replied it's got a 600mhz arm.....I did everything I could to hold back the giggles as I asked him about the 3g's processor..."it's only got a 300" LMAO

There's a reason it can't multitask. It needs all the power to render pretty on screen buttons!

[Guest awarner (MVP)]

As usual though it's the Apple marketing department that shines through, this is the problem with WM devices, MS make the OS but don't make the end product so it's the manufacturers who then have to try and sell the device. So lots of products makes marketing an issue where the iPhone is one device made and sold by the people who alsp make the OS equals easier and more direct marketing.

Apple could just market a brick with pretty colours and people would flock to buy it.... oh wait they already do ;)

[Guest Slappa]

The original iPhone gave a well needed boot to the arse of the smartphone market, so credit there where it's due.

But yes, it has since been outshone by the Omnia, HTC phones & even some from LG & Nokia, and I gotta say it does get tiring to constantly hear about the Jesusphone when it's now well behind the curve and gets by with a snappy GUI & a s***-hot marketing team.

At the end of the day, it's great if you want an iPod that makes calls. You're a sucker if you want an actual smartphone though.

[Guest Straenge]

You know, I never really cared for Apple products one way or the other but understood the marketing behind them. I had heard about a heating issue but didn't think anything of it until I found this:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone3gs-cases/

The fact that they are blaming third-party cases just shows they won't admit to making a faulty product or possibly believing their own hype.

[Guest aceofrazgriz]

i got a few guys at work that try and bug me about "oo look what i got on my iphone" which is general games. so i just show them something thats actually useful on WinMo, and tell them i hope their battery lasts on their toy.

[Guest finaldestiny]

It's too bad because even though I was never a mac guy or whatever, I always had something good to say about their products. Now I just laugh at them.

Scott

I wouldn't laugh too hard if I were you. True, some features aren't present, other's come fairly late, but consider this. When iPhone OS 3.0 released, all the iPhones were able to utilize it, even the first 2007 model. You thing Samsung is going to continue updating the Omnia like that? We're barely a year in and the updates seem to be slacking already as they focus on newer phones. So you can continue to laugh, but I think the iPhone buyers are going to get the laugh last with all those updates.

I think the new commercials are pathetic. Like the one that shows video recording, the guy that is supposed to be spying on the phone says "I think it's the same." Trying to spin the fact that they were too lazy to even redesign the case, maybe making it matte instead of slippery as **** gloss that slips around and scratches super easy.

Then the other ones making it sound like cut and paste and voice dialing are amazing breakthroughs. The only time I've ever liked apple was with the IIe, that was a long time ago. Now they just wreak of smugness, selfishness, and arrogance.

I asked him about the new 3gs and he said it was screaming fast! This peaked my interests so I asked about the processor and he replied it's got a 600mhz arm.....I did everything I could to hold back the giggles as I asked him about the 3g's processor..."it's only got a 300" LMAO

Your friend is wrong, it had a 412 MHz processor in it. But only persons who don't really understand use just CPU MHz as a measure of how fast a device will be...

Also on our Omnia's we don't use the full CPU speed because Windows Mobile automatically tries to scale it down so that too much battery isn't sapped. (unless you use xcpuscalar, in which case, I'd like to know what your battery life is like :D )

BTW, the Omnia has a 624 MHz CPU, 128 MB of RAM and no graphics processor...the iPhone 3G S on the other hand has a 600 MHz CPU, 256 RAM & PowerVR SGX graphics chip so... I suggest you stop giggling now. The new iPhone is much faster than your Omnia.

At the end of the day, it's great if you want an iPod that makes calls. You're a sucker if you want an actual smartphone though.

Why are you a sucker if you would like to utilize your iPhone as an 'actual smartphone'? :s What makes the iPhone not an 'actual smartphone'? :|

The fact that they are blaming third-party cases just shows they won't admit to making a faulty product or possibly believing their own hype.

THEY are not blaming anything, ONE Apple engineer is saying that it's just the contact made with SOME of the cases that's causing the discoloration. AFAIK, Apple hasn't officially commented on the discoloration issue, or what's causing it. I don't know how it can be from overheating if the discoloration can be removed by wiping it with some alcohol. ;)

i got a few guys at work that try and bug me about "oo look what i got on my iphone" which is general games. so i just show them something thats actually useful on WinMo, and tell them i hope their battery lasts on their toy.

Uhh...what's something actually useful on WinMo that the iPhone doesn't have available? I'd love to know what the specific names of those applications that you show them!

I think you guys are really being to harsh on the phone. It really isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. IMHO.

[Guest drewbax]

Uhh...what's something actually useful on WinMo that the iPhone doesn't have available? I'd love to know what the specific names of those applications that you show them!

I dunno, tethering. 3rd party development without the voiding of warranty. removable storage. removable battery. multitasking.

I do wish my Omnia had a graphics chip. I'll just have to wait for the sequel. ;)

[Guest La Traviata]

Uhh...what's something actually useful on WinMo that the iPhone doesn't have available? I'd love to know what the specific names of those applications that you show them!

Editing Word, Excel, Power Point? Bluetooth transfer? Seinding MMS? A decent camera? I do like the iPhone, but AFAIK it still doesn't support these features or you have to pay extra for a scaled down version (Quickoffice).

[Guest Mr. B!]

Uhh...what's something actually useful on WinMo that the iPhone doesn't have available? I'd love to know what the specific names of those applications that you show them!

I think you guys are really being to harsh on the phone. It really isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. IMHO.

Office Mobile for sure. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to review spreadsheets or presentations on the go. Multi-tasking is a must, especially between multiple email accounts. Using the camera to scan documents to PDF's.

You're right, iphones are a good phone and they have their purpose, but they're not a truely "useful tool" in my business.

Edited July 7, 2009 by Mr. B!

[Guest necosino]

I could be wrong, but I think once jailbreaked, the iPhone can be used to tether. I'm not sure about M$ Office support though.

As for the, what, 3MP camera? I think that's alright. Especially considering that most mac people that want a camera have a $650+ one anyway, I doubt they'd ever use it..

[Guest finaldestiny]

I dunno, tethering. 3rd party development without the voiding of warranty. removable storage. removable battery. multitasking.

I do wish my Omnia had a graphics chip. I'll just have to wait for the sequel. ;)

Tethering is available on the iPhone OS 3.0. iPhone doesn't have 3rd party development that doesn't void your warranty? (Not sure what you mean as there's a very successful app store where Apple encourages you to use.)

I'll give you multi-tasking, and maybe the non removal battery (but that's not a feature of Windows Mobile, is it?), but not the removable storage, considering that it has 32 GB version available if you want that kind of space, and because not all smart phones have expandable memory either.

Editing Word, Excel, Power Point? Bluetooth transfer? Seinding MMS? A decent camera? I do like the iPhone, but AFAIK it still doesn't support these features or you have to pay extra for a scaled down version (Quickoffice).

Office documents support is there thanks to another app call Documents to Go which adds the support for those files. You can check it out to see if it offers what you need, but I'm not sure how you can say the iPhone doesn't handle Office documents when you even mention in your post an app for it that can. Bluetooth transfer can be done if you jailbreak, but it isn't there natively AFAIK. MMS sending is available in iPhone OS 3.0 too.

As for 'decent' camera...I was quite disappointed with the 5.0 megapixel one strapped into the Samsung Omnia... don't fall into the megapixel hype. I've heard reports that the camera in the iPhone 3G was horrible, but it's much better in the 3G S.

Office Mobile for sure. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to review spreadsheets or presentations on the go. Multi-tasking is a must, especially between multiple email accounts. Using the camera to scan documents to PDF's.

You're right, iphones are a good phone and they have their purpose, but they're not a truely "useful tool" in my business.

See above for my comments on Office documents handling. To be honest, I hated the fact that the iPhone didn't multi-task at first, I thought it was downright stupid. Now at least, I can understand the benefits of doing it that way, and on my Omnia, I find that I don't multitask anymore either. I don't really use my phones in a business environment though, so I can't really say I understand the short fallings of an iPhone in that regard. Why is multi-tasking a must if you have multiple email accounts?

I could be wrong, but I think once jailbreaked, the iPhone can be used to tether. I'm not sure about M$ Office support though.

As for the, what, 3MP camera? I think that's alright. Especially considering that most mac people that want a camera have a $650+ one anyway, I doubt they'd ever use it..

See above, tethering and/or Office support does not require jailbreaking with iPhone OS 3.0

[Guest La Traviata]

Office documents support is there thanks to another app call Documents to Go which adds the support for those files. You can check it out to see if it offers what you need, but I'm not sure how you can say the iPhone doesn't handle Office documents when you even mention in your post an app for it that can.

From what I can see, Documents to Go supports editing in Word, but not Excel or Power Point (although apparently they are working on Excel), and Quickoffice supports editing in Word and Excel, but also not in Power Point.

http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/iphone/

http://www.quickoffice.com/quickoffice_iphone/

Edited July 7, 2009 by La Traviata

[Guest Jokes On You]

BTW, the Omnia has a 624 MHz CPU, 128 MB of RAM and no graphics processor...the iPhone 3G S on the other hand has a 600 MHz CPU, 256 RAM & PowerVR SGX graphics chip so... I suggest you stop giggling now. The new iPhone is much faster than your Omnia.

The new iPhone better be faster than the Omnia its coming out almost a year after the Omnia did. I agree that people are harsh on the iPhone but it comes in good reason. Apple marketing builds the iPhone to be such a highly technoligical device and it really isnt that great. iPhone users stick their chest out like thier device is the greatest(3Mp camera,.... really? LG Renior has an 8mp and it came out last year.) I also agree that its great that Apple also has a better updating system but that is due to the fact that they only have one phone to focus on. The iPhone is a good device to have if you want to "keep up with the Jones" but if you want real power look elsewhere.

[Guest finaldestiny]

From what I can see, Documents to Go supports editing in Word, but not Excel or Power Point (although apparently they are working on Excel), and Quickoffice supports editing in Word and Excel, but also not in Power Point.

http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/iphone/

http://www.quickoffice.com/quickoffice_iphone/

At least support is on it's way. I'm surprised Apple doesn't have a Pages or Numbers app built in to the iPhone, would've been a great way to encourage more people to iWork. I wonder what if there's a jail-break app that supports Office though, I didn't check there. Probably not though.

The new iPhone better be faster than the Omnia its coming out almost a year after the Omnia did. I agree that people are harsh on the iPhone but it comes in good reason. Apple marketing builds the iPhone to be such a highly technoligical device and it really isnt that great. iPhone users stick their chest out like thier device is the greatest(3Mp camera,.... really? LG Renior has an 8mp and it came out last year.) I also agree that its great that Apple also has a better updating system but that is due to the fact that they only have one phone to focus on. The iPhone is a good device to have if you want to "keep up with the Jones" but if you want real power look elsewhere.

The thing I've noticed with Apple's iPhone ads are that they self serving. Most other companies are trying to imitate and compete against it, usually comparing their phone against Apple's and basically saying why it's better. Apple is just chugging along at their own pace, and they can, after all, whatever they're doing is obviously working as everyone is trying to bring out the 'iPhone killer'. So when Apple announces new features like 'copy and paste' and makes a big deal out of it, it's because it's market strategy doesn't involve comparing to other phones. So it doesn't even matter if it's been done before or if it implemented better elsewhere since Apple is basically just ignoring all the other smart phones out there. That's just how I see it anyway.

I'm not a big fan of choosing phones because of their specs anymore. I made that mistake once and learnt my lesson then. It makes no sense having top of the line features if it's implemented poorly, or if the interface to it is confusing, buggy, ugly etc. I just don't think it's a good idea to have all that power when it's a pain to use it.

[Guest La Traviata]

At least support is on it's way.

Not for Power Point though. Or Bluetooth transfers (unless you jailbreak).

I'm not a big fan of choosing phones because of their specs anymore.

Just out of interest, based on what do you choose your phone now?

[Guest necosino]

Just out of interest, based on what do you choose your phone now?

Apparently the best marketing campaign now! haha..

[Guest Uribam]

Man I didn't wanna start a huge flamewar between one guy and the rest of the community =P I just think their commercials are stupid and they're very late in the game with a ton of things. I could have subbed out Omnia and put in a dozen other telephones. They're far far behind. Now they're catching up to the phones that are a year or so older. If you like the thing that's fine. If you don't that's fine too. I don't really care. I don't think it's cool to innuendo the crap out of your customers about the awesome new features when other phones have been doing them for a dog's age. The point was to share my personal views on how so many people fall for this sort of advertising. They pray on people who want to be tech or computer wise and aren't. If they were they'd know this stuff has been around on winmo and probably other phone operating systems as well (I'm not sure on that, someone chime in). Anyway if you like the iPhone so much there's this button at the top of the screen here. Just go scroll up and click the iPhone thing. You have a forum for that, you don't even need an app! I still think my Omnia is superior to the iPhone, I'm discussing it with Omnia people.

Scott

[Guest Diggedy]

Ive had both the Iphone 3g and now the omnia. As much as I feel my omnia is superior in what it can do and its not restricted in anyway by the network (o2) I still miss the apps. I jail broke mine and it opened up a lot of functions on the phone. Although Winmo phones are superior for advanced users, for a casual user they lose out. When Winmo phones have an appstore like the Iphone then it will be a clear cut winner but to me the convenience of the iphone for more casual use does count for a lot.

[Guest drewbax]

THe appstore is coming. And rest assured that M$ knows what they are doing when it comes to online stores/ material (XBOX live anyone)? THe whole iPhone vs. everyone else is just like Bose vs. everyone else. THey corner the market once with a gimick and everyone else improves upon it.

[Guest Straenge]

THEY are not blaming anything, ONE Apple engineer is saying that it's just the contact made with SOME of the cases that's causing the discoloration. AFAIK, Apple hasn't officially commented on the discoloration issue, or what's causing it. I don't know how it can be from overheating if the discoloration can be removed by wiping it with some alcohol. ;)

Keep in mind that after the firmware is updated, Itouch has been having the same heat issue according to some people AND there is this gem of an update: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=118708

Of course it couldn't be Apples fault, its the users for having it out in hot weather.. Silly users.