Guest IZIIZI Posted November 10, 2009 Report Posted November 10, 2009 I update to 2.9 and I have 50mb free space on phone. Before i updated, I partitioned my sdcard in to 3. I thought that this was supposed to mean 150mb free memory as apps got moved to sdcard...?
Guest The_IMF Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 I update to 2.9 and I have 50mb free space on phone. Before i updated, I partitioned my sdcard in to 3. I thought that this was supposed to mean 150mb free memory as apps got moved to sdcard...? I have 45mb free... strange that. Where's it gone? :)
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 I have 45mb free... strange that. Where's it gone? :) this was discussed extensively under topics like "a2sd not working?" and similar. i still don't get why people are complaining about less free internal space, but as this questions remains unanswered i think they don't know themselves either...
Guest AndyCr15 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 Do you have something like TasKiller? When I boot up I have around 48mb, then I hit TasKiller and I have 88meg. Through the day this lowers to around 50 or 60 after a TasKill, so I reboot and all's good :)
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 Do you have something like TasKiller? When I boot up I have around 48mb, then I hit TasKiller and I have 88meg. Through the day this lowers to around 50 or 60 after a TasKill, so I reboot and all's good :D and there we go, the next one not knowing the difference between internal memory and RAM... :)
Guest Keramidas Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) and there we go, the next one not knowing the difference between internal memory and RAM... :) Very true. But in this case, many people confuse the two. Hell, even I - a developer - was misled at first, as soon as I read some apps2sd posts, because I really got to believe that the "internal memory" freed by apps2sd was RAM. Nobody should use the "internal memory" term which is very ambiguous ! In my opinion, everyone (including the phone itself) should say "internal storage memory" (= flash memory) vs "internal RAM". Now that the terms are clear, here is the deal as I see it: - internal RAM can be freed by using task killer programs (although the kernel itself will also terminate apps when memory is needed) - internal storage memory can be freed by using A2SD - more internal storage memory is taken by MoDaCo 2.9, because of the dalvik-cache that has grown by ~25MB. Is everything clearer now ? :D Edited November 11, 2009 by Keramidas
Guest Keramidas Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 this was discussed extensively under topics like "a2sd not working?" and similar. i still don't get why people are complaining about less free internal space, but as this questions remains unanswered i think they don't know themselves either... As far as I understand: - in previous ROM revisions: /system did contain a ~25 MB portion of the dalvik-cache (for system classes ?) and the rest got cached in /data/dalvik-cache. - in MoDaCo 2.9: /system contains no portion of dalvik-cache, so everything gets cached in /data/dalvik-cache. Hence the 25 MB less free space in /data. I don't know any of the technical reason(s) for this, other than freeing up some space in /system. Maybe that's intended for Chinese fonts and the like ? Anyhow, apps2sd *does* work, and for people having many apps and running out of space in /data, moving the dalvik-cache to /cache does work too.
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 Very true. But in this case, many people confuse the two. Hell, even I - a developer - was misled at first, as soon as I read some apps2sd posts, because I really got to believe that the "internal memory" freed by apps2sd was RAM. Nobody should use the "internal memory" term which is very ambiguous ! In my opinion, everyone (including the phone itself) should say "internal storage memory" (= flash memory) vs "internal RAM". well, i agree with you that using the term storage instead of memory might help avoiding these misunderstandings, but as there is no external ram imho it is not necessary. as for ram: given that we have a linux system the amount of free ram is not really saying anything about performance, as linux fills up the ram until it is full, and then clears it if additional is needed... but for all the noobs out here the dry numbers are the only thing that count i guess. also there is is still no answer why everybody wants to have as much internal storage as possible freed up... (i can see the point of having more free ram, although it does not boost performance necessarily, but nobody could tell me so far why one should have more free storage... i mean, do you keep your internal harddrive in your pc as empty as possible?)
Guest Keramidas Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) well, i agree with you that using the term storage instead of memory might help avoiding these misunderstandings, but as there is no external ram imho it is not necessary. as for ram: given that we have a linux system the amount of free ram is not really saying anything about performance, as linux fills up the ram until it is full, and then clears it if additional is needed... but for all the noobs out here the dry numbers are the only thing that count i guess. also there is is still no answer why everybody wants to have as much internal storage as possible freed up... (i can see the point of having more free ram, although it does not boost performance necessarily, but nobody could tell me so far why one should have more free storage... i mean, do you keep your internal harddrive in your pc as empty as possible?) Well I basically agree with you: my laptop has a 320GB hdd, and I'm comfortable even though I have less than 10 GB free. I know the only caveat is that it might increase fragmentation a bit. In our case (with MoDaCo 2.9) I agree that ~20MB free is enough, but some people may have as little as 5-10MB free. Ok, there is no slowdown and nobody will run out of space while adding a contact, but just install 5 more (big) apps and you may run out of space. I think that space has become a bit tight in MCR 2.9 for those who haven't moved the dalvik-cache. Edited November 11, 2009 by Keramidas
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 In our case (with MoDaCo 2.9) I agree that ~20MB free is enough, but some people may have as little as 5-10MB free. Ok, there is no slowdown and nobody will run out of space while adding a contact, but just install 5 more (big) apps and you may run out of space. I think that space has become a bit tight in MCR 2.9 for those who haven't moved the dalvik-cache. didn't move dalvik-cache, cleared it once after update to mcr2.9 though. got 75mb free...
Guest Keramidas Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 didn't move dalvik-cache, cleared it once after update to mcr2.9 though. got 75mb free... Well that's a good result but I guess you have a low number of apps...
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 Well that's a good result but I guess you have a low number of apps... define low, /data/app/ contains 68 items...
Guest Keramidas Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 define low, /data/app/ contains 68 items... low = less than 250 ? :)
Guest kendon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Posted November 11, 2009 low = less than 250 ? :) in this case i have very low number :D but counting :D
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