Request - Polyphonic midis that work

[Guest arunhallan]

... ive got one, a dance one from haylo's site which is excellent but outdated. has any1 got any that play flawlessly? The midis ive tried always come out wrong!

[Guest Monolithix [MVP]]

SmartPhone can't play polyphonic midi's unfortunately, you can convert them to wav and copy them over though. Try googling for "midi to wav".

[Guest arunhallan]

...well any midis that sound good? i like the way they sound more ringtoney

[Guest Monolithix [MVP]]

Only midi0's. Which arent polyphonic.

And if you convert a midi to a wav it will sound just the same... ;p

I don't have any myself btw, sorry.

[Guest Gorskar]

Unfortunately the SPV does not support polyphonic MIDIs, only single tone MIDIs and wav files.

Your best bet is to convert it to a wave, save it to your SD card, and using Midnights registry tweak change the ringtone path to point to your wave file.

Of course you can have the wave on your IPSMApplication DataSounds folder, in which case no registry tweaking will be needed, but it will use up a chunk of your available memory.

[Guest kingbing]

I was under the impression that the SPV could only play midi0, which means that all the notes are in a single channel. This doesn't mean that it's only monophonic. But it does also mean that it doesn't support any midi files with General Midi voices in it.

[Guest fraser]

Yeah, I think kingbing is right. I'm sure I had a multi-channel midi0 file running on the phone. The problem was that it had the same beep sound for every channel, and the was some kind of corruption/distortion happening on most files.

I've deleted the files though...

[Guest midnight]

In the MIDI0 format, there can only be one track.  Therefore, this track  

must contain all necessary Meta-events, such as temp, SMPTE, time sig.  

as well as any legal or naming information (text).  These data will  

then be followed by the musical data in the order it occurs.  Note that  

MIDI0 is not restricted to one channel.  The various channels can be  

assigned to the various instrumental sounds via the "program change"  

command (0xc#) at the beginning of the music.  

This leaves us the option of creating two types of MIDI0 formats; namely  

MIDI0 collapsed to one channel and MIDI0 sent to multiple channels.  

so, both are correct, depends on the type of midi0 and i think that the SPV is collapsed midi0, the ones i've heard that claim to be polyphonic are not (like that christmas tune), i've loaded them into a midi editor and they are single channel tunes, mostly notes played at high speed to get the polyphonic type sound, a trick also used years ago on the zx spectrum, the tune from Chronos simulated 5 channel music when really, it was using the spectrum's single channel.

[Guest lutzh]

i dont want to diss someone but how can you ask for polyphones or midis if your phone can play (nearly) every wave on planet earth as ringtone? isn't it much cooler to have someone telling you, who's calling or it plays a scary sound effect or even the national anthem of kongo instead of having nokialike polyphonic bu77sh|t playing like a slot machine?

i know its always a question of taste. but i dont understand it...

cheers, lutz

[Guest midnight]

purely cos of size i suppose :wink: especially if you want a different ringtone per contact

[Guest arunhallan]

bcoz it sounds better hearing ure phone ring rather than playin a national anthem etc - its meant to sound like an alert.

here's my ringtone at the mo - it plays excellently on my phone at the mo im just gettin bored of it. im sure theres more than one beat played at one time in it... anyway if any1's got any more then :lol:

Dance Poly 1.zip

[Guest midnight]

erm, i completely dissagree with you about wav vs midi, wav sounds 10 times better than midi, and if its supposed to sound like an alert why do you have a dance midi as your ringtone (bit of a contradiction there dont you think?) :wink:

as for the midi tune, it does indeed play more than one note over each other, but, the problem with midi on the SPV is more a problem of lack of instruments, the standard beep instrument is naff.

[Guest arunhallan]

It hardly sounds like a dance track - lets leave it 2 personal taste... having said that ive got as many wavs as midis, i like both. anyway ure sites good midnight, i like :lol:

[Guest BigBlue007]

@lutzh:

I suggest you grab yourself a Sony Ericsson T300/T310 or a Siemens S55 next time you are in a cellphone store. Listen how these phones play standard MIDI files. Then think about that a complete 3 minutes MIDI file is something like 50kB, mostly smaller.

Moreover, MIDI and WAV is a completely different way of playing back sound, so you compare apples to oranges.

But with one thing you're right: There's no Nokia that is cappable of playing polyphonic sounds in an acceptable quality.

I love my SPV, but it's lack of standard MIDI file support is a bit disappointing. I would also prefer to use MIDI files as ringtones instead of WAVs.

[Guest fraser]

Midi0 can carry multiple instruments. However, these are all stored in one "track", which makes them a little bit simpler to playback, but a bit more complicated to process and edit. This is transparent to the user in most applications, but it's an old format and most midi files are of one of the newer variants.

All midi is also polyphonic by nature. As a professional sound format, it wouldn't be very popular if it couldn't record musical chords!!

[Guest fraser]

Here's a midi0 file I found easily on Google, searching for just "midi0". Damn, that search engine is almost too good. :lol:

Some problems though. Firstly, as I said previously, all instruments are played as a bland beep sound. Secondly, it sounds very distorted, but as I've noticed before, turning down the volume on the side buttons while the file is playing seems to help. I sampled the file by copying it to the IPSMApplication DataSounds directory and then selecting it as a ring tone. If you wait a moment after selecting it, the track will play.

It sounds as though the mixer volume for the synth channel is set too high, as if it's set to the maximum sound you can get with one channel playing. If you've looked around the directories on the phone, you might have noticed that most of the sounds the phone makes are midi files, each basic with only one channel. I think that when you play a midi with 4 or 5 channels, the sounds are saturating and going way beyond the "red line" that you would have in a analog audio level meter.

The file is from this site, which appears to have a lot of midi0 files available. It's DOS 8.3 naming, told you it was an old format! :wink:

06BILLJE.zip

[Guest midnight]

personally, i dont even think theres any competition, wav by its very nature means you can play ANY sound, now, how can you say midi is more of an alert than wav, erm, wav is a recordable sound, you can play any alert sound you want, even a firealarm if you so wished. and soon, wav files per contact, how many of you would like that :wink: all on the sd card (yes, i know midi is still smaller, but still, wav sounds better so long as the volume is ramped up)

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

I go for wav any day, I use the old fashion

telephone box for my ringtone, very loud and

always turns heads whenever anyone hears it. :lol:

[Guest pibrahim]

I think midi's got a lot of advantages.

Forget comparing it to Nokia phones, what about Samsung phones with either 16-chord or 40-chord polyphony? Midi files on those phones sound *great*, and regardless of the fact that we can play any .wav file we like, I personally don't feel that wav files on this phone have the same clarity, volume or quality that polyphonic ringtones on my Samsung S100 did.

[Guest midnight]

hehe, how many mobiles do you know that you can hear in the next house :wink:

the SPV can be VERY loud, its just that most people making these ringtones arent ramping up the volume loud enough, after cutting up the wav to loop properly i always amplify the volume by 6db, then it is louder than any nokia standard ringer never mind a polyphonic one.

also, convert the midi to wav and you can have ringers that sound identical to any other phone (kinda pointless in my opinion tho)

like i said, only real advantage of midi is the size.

[Guest westy1507]

Hmmm,

Interesting views here guys and gals!

Got to admit, the Poly tones on the 7650 are very good, though like midnight says the volume is way too low even at full tilt. The tunes on the 7650 with its 16 tone ringer do sound pretty good, but no where near as good as having a real sound from the SPV :wink:

Of all the 7650 ringers, (the Sammy tones are nice, but not my cuppa tea), the best are Hummingbird, Electric Eel, and Espionage - the erst are just not memorable at all.

There must be a way of recording from the audio in of your PC's sound card - simply attatch a small 'handsfree' size minijack into the phone, and then the other minijack into the audio in on the PC. I have a standard 3.5m lead, but i don't know if they make them in mobile handsfree size. When you go into the phones menu, the sounds will be relayed via the lead rather than the phones speaker - but how do you record??...One for me to work on methinks... :wink:

Westy

[Guest fraser]

Westy, if you do that, you'll need to do the Trigger Happy Nokia theme ringtone first! Perhaps mix a beat in half-way through just to turn a few heads... :lol:

[Guest Dave.Burn]

i must admit i like the sound you get from a samsung t100,

but things like this are also cool when out and about

feedme.zip