Call Recording on the SPV

[Guest martin.graham]

the gettting started guide from Orange say's that you can record a call while the call is in progress, by simply holding down the call record button.

This dosent seem to work - has anyone managed to get this to work?

[Guest Chris b.a.r.f.]

the gettting started guide from Orange say's that you can record a call while the call is in progress, by simply holding down the call record button.

This dosent seem to work - has anyone managed to get this to work?

Orange lied. We've discussed the legal side of it a while back in microsoft.public.smartphone, but it's something of a glaring omission (and one of the reasons I bought the phone - it replaced my SL45(i) which could record convos)

[Guest martin.graham]

thanks for the info...

maybe they'll include it on the forthcoming Orange update

- some hope! :-)

[Guest Chris b.a.r.f.]

thanks for the info...

maybe they'll include it on the forthcoming Orange update  

- some hope! :-)

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heh, too right. I doubt very much it'll be included in any update - for legal reasons. Orange, unlike Siemens, don't seem to trust us to inform the other part when we're recording a conversation (as is required by law in most european countries - don't know about the US). As if we would forget to do this, eh? :wink:

[Guest sarge]

there is no UK law against recording your own telephone conversations without informing the other party, the only restriction is that any information gathered cannot be considered in court proceedings, except in cases where an issue of harassment or malicious calls is alleged.

[Guest sarge]

Ooops, forgot to say that even then YOUR recordings are inadmissable. However, on presentation to the authorities (police etc) it can be considered as just cause for the installation of a legally sanctioned phone tap, the evidence from which IS admissable in court.

[Guest castlebrae]

It would seem therefore that anyone disatisfied with the SPV for whatever reason could return the phone saying that it doesn't do what it said it would - and therefore a full refund must be given under the Sale of Goods Act.

[Guest bobroberts]

you get 14 days to return it anyway (unless its an upgrade)

after that the whole sale of goods thing would prove much more tricky to establish...

bobroberts

[Guest Joleypops]

Arse arse arse - the recording call function is the main reason I've just bought the phone for. I dont suppose anyone knows of any kind of work around for this - or add on software that would do the same job.

Or can anyone recommend a replacement?

[Guest Chris b.a.r.f.]

Arse arse arse - the recording call function is the main reason I've just bought the phone for. I dont suppose anyone knows of any kind of work around for this - or add on software that would do the same job.  

Or can anyone recommend a replacement?

Same here, pissed me right off. I can just about live without it, but would prefer not to.

If you *really* need this function, get a Siemens SL45. Best mobile I've ever owned to be honest; it has a really good MP3 player, too (better than SPV's). And the quality of the SL45 is simply brilliant....gave me funny dreams, it did :wink:

[Guest Joleypops]

Unfortunately it is a feature I do need as I have slimy solicitors who I have keep from slacking off & make them stick to their word-hence recording the calls. Looks like I'm going to have to seriously consider replacing SPV - or having two phones (as other than recording issue - I really like the SPV)

[Guest Carnivor]

a simple solution to get round the legalities would be that when you press the record button, the phone actually says "this call is now being recorded" when a call is active, and dosent say it when your just using it as a dictaphone

[Guest Monolithix [MVP]]

It should be an easy implementation on Microsofts part. In the same was voice-dialing is there, but isn't at the same time.

A simple update like the DK one would be an easy way to apply it, Orange just need to know if hte demand is great enough to warrant paying MS more money to implement it.

[Guest Firaas]

there is no UK law against recording your own telephone conversations without informing the other party, the only restriction is that any information gathered cannot be considered in court proceedings, except in cases where an issue of harassment or malicious calls is alleged.

Just to clear that up,

It's legal to record incoming/outgoing telephone conversations for personal use, ONLY on the basis that the recordings are not passed on to any third party without the permission of the other member(s) of the conversation.

This is covered by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000.

[Guest vampyre69]

The nokia 8310 also records telephone conversations.

But the phone itself isn't all that.

[Guest bobroberts]

this was on the microsoft.public.smartphone newsgroup

"Smartphone 2002 has support for voice dialing, but it's up to each of the

hardware partners to license their own speech engine to include in the

device. HTC (manufacturers of the SPV) did not license an engine, and

therefore the capability is not available on the SPV.

The manual, unfortunately, was not updated to reflect this.

--

Neil Enns

Lead Program Manager

Microsoft Mobile Devices Product Group"

[Guest vampyre69]

this was on the microsoft.public.smartphone newsgroup

"Smartphone 2002 has support for voice dialing, but it's up to each of the

hardware partners to license their own speech engine to include in the

device. HTC (manufacturers of the SPV) did not license an engine, and

therefore the capability is not available on the SPV.

The manual, unfortunately, was not updated to reflect this.

--

Neil Enns

Lead Program Manager

Microsoft Mobile Devices Product Group"

Tranlated = "This is a quickfix get out clause which we hope no-one bigger than us will question. We understand that no-one can afford to take us to court so we will post this and if you don't like it tough buy another phone, we don't care"

[Guest Shuflie]

To the best of my knowledge we bought our phones from Orange and not Microsoft, why would anyone want to sue microsoft for a mistake in Orange's manual?

[Guest agent.m]

[Guest Chris b.a.r.f.]

you forgot about the java which gives you some cool apps to fill your mmc up with! I`ve got about ten people lined up to buy it and i dont want to part with it :)

I wish I'd kept mine now. Not that I prefer it to the SPV (with the exception of the SPV's nightmare headphones), but I miss it like hell. Something soothing and comforting about that brushed-steel casing

Now my old SL45's gone to a mobile-phone retirement home run by my little bro' in Ashby de la Zouch, after a hectic journey through scandinavia these last couple of years. Her display's a bit flaky and the volume rocker went a bit weird, but a good blow always sorted her out (ahem). She now spends her days gazing at a telly on the wall and playing rummy with a pair of Nokia 5110's. What a way to end a distinguished life.

:cry:

I'll get me coat :wink:

[Guest Chris b.a.r.f.]

Tranlated = "This is a quickfix get out clause which we hope no-one bigger than us will question. We understand that no-one can afford to take us to court so we will post this and if you don't like it tough buy another phone, we don't care"

Nah, not going with that one mate. Neil Enns is an excellent source of SPV/Smartphone info in microsoft.public.smartphone, he generally tends to swallow his MS-corporate pride and concede the point if MS has messed something up. This time it really does seem to be HTC and/or Orange that goofed this one up....

Has the manual been revised yet, I wonder?