Trying to get kernel source

[Guest Roman Kapl]

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I recently got fed up with the situation around the kernel source, so I've contacted T-mobile UK (althought I know they no longer distribute the code) and after few explanations on twitter I've got this reply:

TmobileUKhelp Hi, I will ask the question why this is not available to our software guys on your behalf. This may take a few days for a reply. Thanks

We have full right and the right entity to get it from is them, according to GPL). Of course I expect one of theese answers:

Huawei should have it, they did not sent it to us.

3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,

under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of

Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable

source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections

1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

:huh: Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three

years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your

cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete

machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be

distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium

customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer

to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is

allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you

received the program in object code or executable form with such

an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

That's the part of GPL relavant to us. It is about distributor, not about author(or Huawei as the co-author). T-mobile published the binary code but did not fulfill any of it's duties in any three ways described in a);) or c). Just by doing something like that they have breached the GPL and thus the copyright law. The only way to defer it to Huawei is to give us the information about Huawei's offer to distribute the source code that they received according to c). I believe the simple "Huawei has it" does not constitute that.

We have already taken back the update.

But technically speaking, you have commited crime, you wan't to fix it?

You are not T-mobile customer

(I really am not). Again, I do not care, you gave me binary object code and no source code.

It will be available in k days (where k is arbitrary integer)

Really, that's nice but it should have been available since day zero.(even if it was in form of offer to send a CD to me by a post for 5 eur)

So in any case T-mobile are the ones we should get the code from, even when the they no longer distribute it. I hope it turns out well, because despite beign right I don't see filling lawsuite agains T-mobile as an sane alternative, at least without some backing.

[Guest DanWilson]

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I recently got fed up with the situation around the kernel source, so I've contacted T-mobile UK (althought I know they no longer distribute the code) and after few explanations on twitter I've got this reply:

We have full right and the right entity to get it from is them, according to GPL). Of course I expect one of theese answers:

Huawei should have it, they did not sent it to us.

That's the part of GPL relavant to us. It is about distributor, not about author(or Huawei as the co-author). T-mobile published the binary code but did not fulfill any of it's duties in any three ways described in a);) or c). Just by doing something like that they have breached the GPL and thus the copyright law. The only way to defer it to Huawei is to give us the information about Huawei's offer to distribute the source code that they received according to c). I believe the simple "Huawei has it" does not constitute that.

We have already taken back the update.

But technically speaking, you have commited crime, you wan't to fix it?

You are not T-mobile customer

(I really am not). Again, I do not care, you gave me binary object code and no source code.

It will be available in k days (where k is arbitrary integer)

Really, that's nice but it should have been available since day zero.(even if it was in form of offer to send a CD to me by a post for 5 eur)

So in any case T-mobile are the ones we should get the code from, even when the they no longer distribute it. I hope it turns out well, because despite beign right I don't see filling lawsuite agains T-mobile as an sane alternative, at least without some backing.

Good luck dawg - although they don't know that you're not a T-Mobile customer, unless you told them. But what would be funny is if they gave you it, and then the T-Mobile went bust somehow - as if it is some secret to money, success and customers. MoDaCo would OWN then, and we'd have Desires making the source useless.

/off (No one is talking to me in the Off-Topic thread :()

My dad got a Desire for £20 per month on O2, the plan totals out to £360, but you get no internet. I might do it, but he dislikes the Desire (problems with contacts or something), maybe I'll strike lucky! :huh:

[Guest AntonioPT]

I will also pressure my carrier (TMN) to release the source! The more we pressure T-Mobile/Huawei/other carriers more likely we'll get the source :huh:

[Guest Roman Kapl]

Just bear in mind you need not pressure your carrier. You can demand the source code from T-Mobile UK too.(best choice because they speak english)

[Guest puj]

You could try emailing the following:

Managing Director:

Richard Moat – [email protected]

Customer Service Director:

Russell Taylor – [email protected]

I believe they really just go the the complaints department but at least they will know you are serious.

[Guest BigBearMDC]

You could try emailing the following:

Managing Director:

Richard Moat – [email protected]

Customer Service Director:

Russell Taylor – [email protected]

I believe they really just go the the complaints department but at least they will know you are serious.

Where did you get that addresses from?

Edit: Oh, welcome to the T-Mobile Pulse@MoDaCo forum!

:huh:

Best regards,

BB

[Guest puj]

Thanks, just did a bit of googling. found them here: http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/resources/si...olicy%20WEB.pdf.

I am considering getting a pulse and so have been keeping up with the latest events.

[Guest BigBearMDC]

Thanks, just did a bit of googling. found them here: http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/resources/si...olicy%20WEB.pdf.

I am considering getting a pulse and so have been keeping up with the latest events.

Oh okay. I thought you are an insider :huh:

To be very honest, and I really don't want to say that, but the Pulse is maybe not the best phone to get. There are far better phones out there with a reasonable price.

[Guest puj]

Oh okay. I thought you are an insider ;)

To be very honest, and I really don't want to say that, but the Pulse is maybe not the best phone to get. There are far better phones out there with a reasonable price.

No not an insider just helping out, was looking for the personal emails of the top people at tmobile, they are well hidden/not publicly available :huh:

What do you recommend for around £100 or a little more? i was planning on waiting to see what happens with the new desire and if there are any price changes.

Edited August 28, 2010 by puj

[Guest BigBearMDC]

No not an insider just helping out, was looking for the personal emails of the top people at tmobile, they are well hidden/not publicly available :huh:

What do you recommend for around £100 or a little more? i was planning on waiting to see what happens with the new desire and if there are any price changes.

Basically I'd say every device that has similar specs is better.

I can't recommend a special phone; over here in Austria the prices are pretty much different.

Maybe someone from the UK can help out? ;)

Best regards,

BB

[Guest Speckles]

I'd say Samsung Spica/Portal/i5700 (no idea what people call it now) or HTC Wildfire.

T-Mobile were giving the Spica away on a £7.50 24 month deal not so long ago.

Sim-free they are roughly the same price, but still more than double that of the Pulse/Pulse mini (£99/£79).

[Guest puj]

I'd say Samsung Spica/Portal/i5700 (no idea what people call it now) or HTC Wildfire.

T-Mobile were giving the Spica away on a £7.50 24 month deal not so long ago.

Sim-free they are roughly the same price, but still more than double that of the Pulse/Pulse mini (£99/£79).

yea that is what i have found too, the pulse seems to be the best in my price range, the hero is £160 for a refurb.

it all depends is they can fix the sms issue and if we eventually get froyo so we can install to sd without any hassle.