Guest RCAM Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 Hey guys! I just bought a Orange SPV. I want to get it unlocked but I have no Orange service. That means I can't get the unlock code from Orange. Unless someone here that has Orange service is willing to help me out I am going to need a generator. I think a lot of people would like a generator and it would save a lot of money for a lot of people. They have them for every other kind of phone, Nokia, Motorola, etc. Why not an Orange SPV Sim Code gen? Anyome want to help me?
Guest lutzh Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 ...you won't get that here. But there's a lot of ways to use the SPV without Orange - use the search! Cheers, Lutz
Guest RCAM Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 Why will I not get that here? Also I only know of one way of running the locked SPV a non orange SIM, the swap trick. What other way is there?
Guest aGeS Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 Good question - I'd like the answer too... ?
Guest RCAM Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 The Orange Subsidy Code which is used to unlock their phones (6 digit code) is a algorithm of the IMEI number Someone said that above text last November. I thought it may just use a random number and they match it to IMEI numbers in a data base... But if you have any programming experince you know that computers don't make random numbers, people do. Therefore I am convinced that there is an algorithm for us to break. I am a commercial game developer, and therefore have little idea of how to break the code. Anyone care to give me a hand? :?: :?: :?:
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 I'll give u a hand... It's not algorithm based :) P
Guest DJHope Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 I thought the unlock code was completely random they just have a database with IMEI side by side with UNLOCK CODE so orange can look it up with ease (hence the misinfomation with it being based on IMEI). The actual code isnt based on anythin, but it is burried in the rom somewere, basically when you get the code from orange and enter it into your SPV it simply replaces the code with 12345678. DJ Hope
Guest aGeS Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 Paul: How do you know that for sure ?
Guest RCAM Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 If is really stored in the ROM then why could we not replace it? Just reflash the rom modifed without a code that locks it? I am in the United States, there is no way I am getting the unlock code from Orange. The only other solution would be using dual SIM housings. That way you could have an Orange SIM for booting and hit the switch button to activate your SIM. Anyone have the tools to make the housing? Here is an example of what I am talking about for those of you that do not know: Nokia Dual SIMs
Guest DJHope Posted February 9, 2003 Report Posted February 9, 2003 Its been done people are making money from it! The thing is i rekon you might be able to find out how todo it but yourd have to have a complete disregard for your fone. If you knew how to set these to 12345678, that would probably do it, but as some other wise "spv" sage has said its dangerious to try, which i have no doubt that it is, but their may also be a more selfish reason for warning us of the dangers. hideaddimsi 650515 "46699F" hideaddimsi 650515 "46697F" hideaddimsi 650515 "46692F" hideaddimsi 650515 "20801F" hideaddimsi 650515 "23830F" hideaddimsi 650515 "20620F" hideaddimsi 650515 "22803F" hideaddimsi 650515 "23433F" DJ Hope money=sqrt(evil);
Guest RCAM Posted February 10, 2003 Report Posted February 10, 2003 What people do it for money? I have to get it unlocked... Do you know anyone? For right now I am using Dual Sim Card housing with a switch. I will have the Orange card in one and the ATTWS in the other.
Guest aGeS Posted February 10, 2003 Report Posted February 10, 2003 florin_m does unlock the SPV for £50 BUT you would have to send the phone to the UK by snailmail. florin_m has made a program which unlocks the phone (de-cert) permanently and then generates a code which he needs, to give you the operator unlock code. This program he will not make public as it should be possible to reverse ingeniur the program and get the solution from it. It also seems that Paul establised contact between Orange and florin_m but I don't know what that is all about... All the above information is taken from a log made from a chat between florin_m and me on Yahoo Messenger.
Guest DJHope Posted February 10, 2003 Report Posted February 10, 2003 I wasnt going to name name's didnt know if florin was comfortable with that but yes florin_m is the wisest of SPV sages, if only i had a spare SPV to badword about with, ahemmmmm! DJ Hope
Guest orange_sandman Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Far as I know Orange generally obtain unlock codes from the manufacturers (hence the delay in getting them sometimes). And the option of getting someone with an Orange account to get it unlocked for you wont work, as they will only provide the unlock codes for the phone that is registered to the account. (unless you get two operators that dont know what they are doing - the one you speak to and the one in the unlocking team - unlikely, but you never know) Sorry - only option is to sign up for a 12 month contract and pay an unlocking fee or go down the unofficial route.
Guest orange_sandman Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 Just thought of a cheap way of doing it that you could try. Buy yourself an Orange Pay as You Go SIM (about £10) register it with the SPVs IMEI and then request an unlock (think its £25). Not sure if anyone has tried this yet, so dont know if Orange will go along with it, but cant see any reason they wont. Has anyone tried this route?
Guest SirGaz Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 I seriously doubt Orange would sim unlock the phone if you are only on PAYG, especially for only £25 (or whatever it is). There is a reason they are locked and it's so that you don't run off to another phone company talking the heavily subsidised phone with you (costing Orange money in the process).
Guest DamianJauregui Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 There is a reason they are locked and it's so that you don't run off to another phone company talking the heavily subsidised phone with you (costing Orange money in the process). I have an issue with that statement. I am always hearing about this whole subsidised thing, but I also remember from my days at Motorola that most telcos in Europe and the US were paying just above cost for the handsets. The Motorola Timeport cost $71 to manufacture, telcos were paying Motorola $85 and then retailing it for 149 pounds. The Motorola V phone cost Motorola $69 to manufacture, telcos were paying $92 and then retailing it for 249 pounds. Nokia and Siemens were doing the same thing. When you buy a handset on PAYG you're paying the RRP of the handset plus a certain amount for the telcos administration fee. On a monthly contract you are usually paying the cost price of the handset plus a small administration fee to the telco. Here in Switzerland they charge you CHF 40 [16 pounds] for the SIM card, this is the telcos administration fee. They then charge you the manufacturer's RRP for the handset on PAYG, or the cost price for contract deals. In India, France and Germany they charge you the manufacturer's RRP for the handset on PAYG or contract deals. If telcos do subsidise handsets then why is a handset is cheaper in Germany [where subsidising handset proces is illegal] than to buy in France, Switzerland or Britain? As for America, there it's silly. I can remember having to pay $500 for a Motorola V phone WITH contract. I have quite a bit of experience in the manufacturing game and don't see how a handset can cost $600 to manufacture. Even with a $5 OS fee to MS and the ROI with regards to handset R & D, etc. I would be surprised if Orange was paing more than $200 per handset, not even allowing for an MS contribution, which they are probably making to get the handsets on the market. Damian. PS Just my 2c worth.
Guest SirGaz Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 You're right Damian, the handsets don't cost $600 to manufacture. BUT (and it's a big one) you don't just get the handset when you buy the phone, you usually get a handsfree, charger, battery, sometimes a camara (like the SPV), packaging and manuals. All these thing cost as well. Yes the final cost will not be anyway near the $600 mark, but it would cost more than the £130 I paid for my phone. Probably somewhere round the £250 I would say. Remember people have to make a profit (HTC for manufacring it, Microsoft for providing the OS and Orange for selling it) which is why the RRP is so high.
Guest DamianJauregui Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 You have to realise that HTC are packaging everything in the box at source, and do you know how much a power supply costs in China right now? I think that 130 pounds would be the maximum that it would cost to manufacture the SPV, with manuals, ROI, OS license, etc. This also doesn't allow for any potential funding from MS in to R&D, tooling costs, etc. Damian.
Guest agent.m Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 I seriously doubt Orange would sim unlock the phone if you are only on PAYG, especially for only £25 (or whatever it is). There is a reason they are locked and it's so that you don't run off to another phone company talking the heavily subsidised phone with you (costing Orange money in the process). trust me its cool! all i need to do is put £20 on the sim registered in my name. the problem is that i dont have this sim. the original person still has it. orange customer service say i can freeze the account whilst in the unlocking process (up to seven days) im gonna get a topup card and sort it out. could have had it sorted for tomorrow but was hoping someone had found the solution florin his hiding
Guest muude Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 In Denmark a company, CBB, will unlock it for free if you switch to their services...
Guest madu Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 Reasearch & Development is usualy an overhead that is times more than manufacturing costs...
Guest aGeS Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 muude: are you sure that they also unlock the SPV ??
Guest ben429 Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 I have tried the way which orange_sandman said,but the staff told me they do not sell spv as a pay as u go fone,if u got a spv it must be monthly contract fone,you shpuld pay the rest of monthly fee and £35 unlocking fee for unlocking.
Guest I. C. Monsters Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 It's too easy! How to remove the SIM LOCK... PERMANENTLY! Peace, ..::: icemaiden :::..
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