Quadrent scores

[Guest UbaRolfey]

After reading that the quadrant scores that we have all been looking at over the last weeks appear to be wrong, guess we are going to need to re-evaluate the performance of the blade since it's no where near as fast as we though it we initially, and moving on from that, we also first thought that the scores we were seeing in 2.1 were massively surpassed by Froyo roms because of the enhancements of Froyo itself.

Now we know the scores were in fact incorrect, does this mean that in fact Froyo is not giving much of a performance gain after all? Froyo never did seem that much fast to me to be honest anyway, just a little, and it was being banded around that it could be up to 500 times faster or something, but that always did sound like rubbish to me!

Please enlighten me if my take on all this is skewed.

Mike

[Guest iashraf]

After reading that the quadrant scores that we have all been looking at over the last weeks appear to be wrong, guess we are going to need to re-evaluate the performance of the blade since it's no where near as fast as we though it we initially, and moving on from that, we also first thought that the scores we were seeing in 2.1 were massively surpassed by Froyo roms because of the enhancements of Froyo itself.

Now we know the scores were in fact incorrect, does this mean that in fact Froyo is not giving much of a performance gain after all? Froyo never did seem that much fast to me to be honest anyway, just a little, and it was being banded around that it could be up to 500 times faster or something, but that always did sound like rubbish to me!

Please enlighten me if my take on all this is skewed.

Mike

haha! i'm wondering the exact same thing! Froyo definitely runs somewhat smoother for me than 2.1 did, but it's still choppy in areas. Laggyness is the only thing that niggles me about my blade! Other than that, this phone is a hundred quid! - though not cheap, many regular phones are still more expensive!!

[Guest iashraf]

haha! i'm wondering the exact same thing! Froyo definitely runs somewhat smoother for me than 2.1 did, but it's still choppy in areas. Laggyness is the only thing that niggles me about my blade! Other than that, this phone is a hundred quid! - though not cheap, many regular phones are still more expensive!!

furthermore, i think it's interesting to note that people relied so heavily on the quadrant score to determine their device's speed, etc. Even while getting scores of over a thousand, should we have ever really assumed that our phones were better than the Galaxy S, or Nexus One, for example?

[Guest The-One]

The Quadrant tests are just by them selfs a bit of faulty cause they do not show the daily usage of the phone. You can never show the phone performance by simply run a Quadrant test and just because he shows 1000 or wtv he has to be fast as hell.

Froyo is faster than Eclair and there is no doubt on that. The JIT does make the difference under heavy load were the cpu gets some more free resources to play along.. and we still have the stagefright option in build.prop boosting the score.

Edited January 3, 2011 by The-One

[Guest fox2000]

I think the moral of the story is damn always the same: never, never, NEVER trust these mighty & magic 3-4-5-100x performance improvements with simple software updates.

Isn't it?

Edited January 3, 2011 by fox2000

[Guest UbaRolfey]

I think the moral of the story is damn always the same: never, never, NEVER trust these mighty & magic 3-4-5-100x performance improvements with simple software updates.

Isn't it?

yup, it would not surprise me to find that when running something like animated weather (this is my personal benchmark, just fps) on first 2.1 and then 2.2 that the outcome is pretty much the same, I do, and have always thought that Froyo has been massively overplayed, and I'll go further and say that I think a lot of people will be disappointed with 2.3. the available GB launcher is slow and jerky for a start, the keyboard is terrible, so I'll not hold my breath until I see it.

Mike

[Guest The-One]

yup, it would not surprise me to find that when running something like animated weather (this is my personal benchmark, just fps) on first 2.1 and then 2.2 that the outcome is pretty much the same, I do, and have always thought that Froyo has been massively overplayed, and I'll go further and say that I think a lot of people will be disappointed with 2.3. the available GB launcher is slow and jerky for a start, the keyboard is terrible, so I'll not hold my breath until I see it.

Mike

Well i only saw the new GB launcher in the Nexus S and it didn't look choppy at all, way more fluid than the Froyo one in similar devices.

And the GB keyboard terrible?

That keyboard it is pretty damn good if you compare it with the previous Google keyboard, multi touch and all. I replaced my stock keyboard with it and using it along with Swype. Not having a complain yet, its allot faster than other keyboards. If you type fast it will react fast. Also the keys are better spaced between them witch leads you to get less mistypes.

Regarding 2.2 there is no doubt that its way better than Eclair in performance, its better build with the addition of the new compiler. However, just because the cpu for example is 2x "faster" due to JIT taking some of the stress from it that doesn't make all apps run 2x faster obviously.

Picking an animated weather to test an entire OS isn't a good test at all. Its just the same as testing it with Quadrant, but worse because it only tests a specific thing. At least Quadrant tests a large variety of things :unsure:

The most reliable tests are the ones who test the cpu performance (since the CPU is probably the most important thing under an Android smartphone) like pi tests and so. Still, again, this do not reflect the performance of a device under daily usage.

Edited January 3, 2011 by The-One

[Guest Kthulhu]

I think we should think in a better and more sensible way of testing the custom roms.

One thing is "stability" - easy to test - if the phone does not freeze and have no problems in day-to-day use we can say a rom is stable. But how we could to test the "responsiveness" of a room and compare results? A responsive rom will open/run app quicker, have better browsing experience, better gaming, etc.

There will be a point that the more "responsiveness" the less "stability" because overclocking or hardware accelation and so on, and the final user must chosse what is best for him.

Any ideas? :unsure:

[Guest UbaRolfey]

Well the GB keyboard release for the blade is actually a smaller keyboard then the original Android keyboard for starters, I don't see how this is progression? as for multitouch, although I've heard that it can do this, when I had it installed I didn't managed to get this to work, lastly I've not really had any lag on the larger standard keyboard, so I see the newer Gingerbread keyboard as a bit of a gimmick at this stage, but I'm willing to have my mind changed.

As for the actual launcher, if it were that well coded then you would not expect it to be far worse than a homescreen replacement. the new ADW EX has by default a Gingerbread like launcher bar, with transition effects to match, and it soiles all over the actual ported Gingerbread launcher.

I know the launcher is a ported launcher and it may well run far better on an official GB kernel, but I'll only be convinced of this when it comes about, as I said at the outset, my feeling at this stage (speculation only) is that it will fall well below peoples expectations.

Having said all this I must come over as a little pessimistic, I'm not at all, and want the very best to come of the blade, but I'm also very much a realist and see things as they are and nothing else.

Mike

Edited January 3, 2011 by UbaRolfey

[Guest The-One]

Well the GB keyboard release for the blade is actually a smaller keyboard then the original Android keyboard for starters, I don't see how this is progression? as for multitouch, although I've heard that it can do this, when I had it installed I didn't managed to get this to work, lastly I've not really had any lag on the larger standard keyboard, so I see the newer Gingerbread keyboard as a bit of a gimmick at this stage, but I'm willing to have my mind changed.

As for the actual launcher, if it were that well coded then you would not expect it to be far worse than a homescreen replacement. the new ADW EX has by default a Gingerbread like launcher bar, with transition effects to match, and it soiles all over the actual ported Gingerbread launcher.

I know the launcher is a ported launcher and it may well run far better on an official GB kernel, but I'll only be convinced of this when it comes about, as I said at the outset, my feeling at this stage (speculation only) is that it will fall well below peoples expectations.

Having said all this I must come over as a little pessimistic, I'm not at all, and want the very best to come of the blade, but I'm also very much a realist and see things as they are and nothing else.

Mike

The keyboard has a regular size when comparing with the older keyboards. And i do value how responsive the keyboard is like i said above, and tbh i still didn't find a keyboard that is as fast as this one is.

Regarding the launcher, eye candy is not performance. You cant say the GB launcher sucks because a ported one was choppy and you couldnt add some crappy screen transition effects and stuff. I bought the ADW EX but i hate those screen transitions that they introduced, its pure bullshit. The less complicated the better it is when you have lots of widgets along your screens. It has some interesting options nothing more. The new launcher in GB is pretty good for what it does, after all its only a lift up with minor optimizations from the Froyo one. Honeycomb is the one who will have a total interface remake from what is said.

Edited January 3, 2011 by The-One

[Guest UbaRolfey]

The keyboard has a regular size when comparing with the older keyboards. And i do value how responsive the keyboard is like i said above, and tbh i still didn't find a keyboard that is as fast as this one is.

Regarding the launcher, eye candy is not performance. You cant say the GB launcher sucks because a ported one was choppy and you couldnt add some crappy screen transition effects and stuff. I bought the ADW EX but i hate those screen transitions that they introduced, its pure bullshit. The less complicated the better it is when you have lots of widgets along your screens. It has some interesting options nothing more. The new launcher in GB is pretty good for what it does, after all its only a lift up with minor optimizations from the Froyo one. Honeycomb is the one who will have a total interface remake from what is said.

You may say that the transitions are bullshit, and you're probably right, but that's not the point that I was making, the point I was making is the fact that no matter what you think of ADW EX the scrolling is smoother than the Gingerbread launcher, you don't have to use the transitions do you? if you purchased a new car and they gave you an optional extra for free, like a CD multichanger, are you going to turn around and say, this is bollocks, I don't want it? if you don't want to use that option, then don't use it. but don't try to pretend that the gingerbread launcher is something it's not, it's no more optimised on Froyo at least than launcher2, and it's slower than both launcher pro, and the new ADW EX, and that's the point I was making.

What you call Eye candy is part of the experience of using a modern day smart phone, it has to be very usable, but the look and feel also has to be pleasing.

Mike

[Guest The-One]

You may say that the transitions are bullshit, and you're probably right, but that's not the point that I was making, the point I was making is the fact that no matter what you think of ADW EX the scrolling is smoother than the Gingerbread launcher, you don't have to use the transitions do you? if you purchased a new car and they gave you an optional extra for free, like a CD multichanger, are you going to turn around and say, this is bollocks, I don't want it? if you don't want to use that option, then don't use it. but don't try to pretend that the gingerbread launcher is something it's not, it's no more optimised on Froyo at least than launcher2, and it's slower than both launcher pro, and the new ADW EX, and that's the point I was making.

What you call Eye candy is part of the experience of using a modern day smart phone, it has to be very usable, but the look and feel also has to be pleasing.

Mike

Have you tested a 2.3 original ROM with the GB launcher? You cant speak of a port from other device making a comparison with a software paid and designed from the 0.

I have a smother scrolling with the stock Froyo launcher as i have with ADW EX without any effects. From what I've seen the 2.3 launcher works way better than the 2.2 one in his original devices. Ofc if you say ADW launcher its more customizable? Yes, you can customize the speed, the icons and all that shiz. But is that a component of a modern smartphone to have an innovative experience? No.

The stock Froyo launcher offers the basic interface.

When you reach the point were those crappy transitions, aka eye candy, lag your homescreens because of the number of widgets then your innovative experience goes down the pipe. And with the blade we have to agree that spare CPU to process those transitions is something he doesn't have if you are already multitasking.

One thing i saw around here was people saying that with the ported launchers from the GB worked way smoother than the Froyo one with the live wallpapers on for example (a bit better than LP for example). A fine example for better codding i say.

Edited January 4, 2011 by The-One

[Guest UbaRolfey]

Have you tested a 2.3 original ROM with the GB launcher? You cant speak of a port from other device making a comparison with a software paid and designed from the 0.

I have a smother scrolling with the stock Froyo launcher as i have with ADW EX without any effects. From what I've seen the 2.3 launcher works way better than the 2.2 one in his original devices. Ofc if you say ADW launcher its more customizable? Yes, you can customize the speed, the icons and all that shiz. But is that a component of a modern smartphone to have an innovative experience? No.

The stock Froyo launcher offers the basic interface.

When you reach the point were those crappy transitions, aka eye candy, lag your homescreens because of the number of widgets then your innovative experience goes down the pipe. And with the blade we have to agree that spare CPU to process those transitions is something he doesn't have if you are already multitasking.

One thing i saw around here was people saying that with the ported launchers from the GB worked way smoother than the Froyo one with the live wallpapers on for example (a bit better than LP for example). A fine example for better codding i say.

I have to agree with you on one thing, the appdraw scrolling is better and smoother in the gingerbread launcher, this means that when you enable live wallpapers the damage does seem less. however the homescreen scrolling is not at good as LP or the new ADW for sure, I too want smoothness all round. Some of this is caused by the OS anyway, I mean 2.2 or 2.3 is not going to be as smooth as say the iphone UI for instance (I hate the apple UI) practicality and ease of use are very important, so a super smooth UI isn't everything, but it sure enhances the overall experience. and I think when you get down to it, it is really what we all want, even if we play it down.

I think 2.3 is going to be a massive disappointment overall, and probably it will be honeycomb that will save the day, I really think that 2.3 is going to be Google's Vista (Microsoft's worst OS ever), I've already seen vid reviews of the Nexus S saying there isn't much change, and it's not as smooth as people would have expected. The browser looks to be a massive let down, it's just as laggy as 2.2, I think this is something they needed to badly address, even W7 browser is silky smooth, and windows were well behind the game 2 years ago.

Mike