Subscription is totally OPTIONAL!

[Guest Anjan Tek]

EDIT: Anybody who reads this thread may not understand the context. This post was taken out of Paul's MCR Froyo thread. So, the original context is completely lost and so it makes me look like a bad guy. ;) I will try to provide some of the lost context here.

Many people were asking for r11 while it was still kitchen-only. And I saw a couple of responses which went something like (not an exact quote):

Hey, why don't you just pay up the 10 pounds? You would just be buying Paul a couple of pints for all the effort he is putting in.

I completely agree with the need for supporting the devs, and I have nothing against the subscription model. The money only goes towards rewarding Paul for his good work and towards paying the hosting charges for this fantastic forum.

I was only merely responding to the perception from some members of how "little" or inexpensive 10 pounds is.

I am NOT begging for the ROM to be given to me free because I am "poor".

Why! I am NOT even asking for the ROM because I am happy with another ROM.

I am NOT saying that Paul should reduce his subscription rates. As someone very rightly pointed out:

If UK businesses charged Indian prices, then they would go out of business immediately; it isn't sustainable.

Original post below.

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GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Regards.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Anjan Tek

[Guest Alex_P]

GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Regards.

Yet you can spend a huge amount more on the phone itself. Sadly, as Paul and Modaco are based in the UK, then you have to live by UK rates and prices. If it really is too much, then very sorry, but you'll just have to wait ;)

As for the ROM itself, works excellently for me - I don't use facebook so haven't come across that particular issue.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Alex_P

[Guest Totyasrác]

GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Regards.

I understand - but then it is only 10% of the phone's budget price... For a year of supported custom ROMs and forum and community... From this point of view it is not THAT expensive, I guess.

[Guest Anjan Tek]

Yet you can spend a huge amount more on the phone itself. Sadly, as Paul and Modaco are based in the UK, then you have to live by UK rates and prices. If it really is too much, then very sorry, but you'll just have to wait ;)

I understand - but then it is only 10% of the phone's budget price... For a year of supported custom ROMs and forum and community... From this point of view it is not THAT expensive, I guess.

I find the first comment quite insulting. I don't understand the logic behind the thinking of: You can spend a fortune on getting the phone, so you should be capable of spending even more.

Dell charges GBP 240 for the same Blade that you guys can get for GBP 100. If I could have got the phone for something as cheap as that, then I wouldn't have thought for a heartbeat more on spending an additional GBP 10.

But when you have already spent a small fortune in getting the phone, I am afraid there is a limit to how much us "poor people" can spend.

I am an application developer and I am willing to help in any other way.

[Guest joff01]

But when you have already spent a small fortune in getting the phone, I am afraid there is a limit to how much us "poor people" can spend.

At risk of this thread getting O/T, it would be fantastic if everything was free and I'm always the last to put my hand in my pocket for any software, but I can see where the need to charge for the kitchen comes from. I'm guessing the guys behind MoDaCo also have day jobs, with the site and any ROM development being a hobby and a pretty tireless one at that.

So to ask for a nominal donation to the upkeep of the site and any future development (and hey, maybe even enough for a drink at the end of the week) isn't entirely unreasonable. The argument that some might find the costs prohibitive is a valid one, but hosting costs aren't adjusted to to suit what the site owners can afford.

Just my 2p's worth ;)

[Guest Lew247]

I moved the above posts into this new thread to keep the original thread tidy

My opinion is that IF you can afford it then the £10 is worth it's weight in gold, you get no adverts once paid so it's not just for Roms, and in fact some people think it's JUST blade roms you get for this, it isn't, its the kitchen for any rom on the site.

However as pointed out to some people £10 is a lot of money for example students who are still in school, people from countries where £10 is as stated worth a lot more in their country

My advice if you can afford it then pay it - the benefits are many - no adverts and access to the kitchen

if you can't pay then just simply wait for the kitchen to be updated - it will be updated to the latest rom once it's confirmed stable

If it was put available to everyone before it was confirmed stable just imagine how many posts there would be about the phone not working or how bad the rom is and so on

So please just wait till its released - it won't be too long.

[Guest samjam]

GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Out of interest, how much did your phone cost? (I realise that you may not have paid for it personally)

[Guest rufree2talk]

I find the first comment quite insulting. I don't understand the logic behind the thinking of: You can spend a fortune on getting the phone, so you should be capable of spending even more.

Dell charges GBP 240 for the same Blade that you guys can get for GBP 100. If I could have got the phone for something as cheap as that, then I wouldn't have thought for a heartbeat more on spending an additional GBP 10.

But when you have already spent a small fortune in getting the phone, I am afraid there is a limit to how much us "poor people" can spend.

I am an application developer and I am willing to help in any other way.

lighten up buddy... I come from India too... nobody was insulting you or anything... honestly if you can spend GBP240 on a phone in India, I think INR800 shouldn't be killing you in any way... and INR800 can be a good amount for a dinner for two-three in a good restaurant with perhaps a drink too... and a tad more in a not so tidy place... but you cannot buy breakfast, lunch AND dinner for 4 people in that amount, if you are talking about anything more than your average restaurant... you do realise you are the one who is insulting the actual poor folk in India by your words... seriously you went ahead and bought the XCD35 and you dare to claim to be a "poor person"... shame on you... ;)

[Guest pellonet]

Sorry but I can't sympathise with your perception of plight, I am amazed that by merely pleading poverty one should suddenly expect to be entitled to demand everything immediately & for nothing.

I am a UK pensioner & the £10 contribution you find so hard to justify represents quite a significant amount in my budget too.

The Solution: I SAVED the requisite amount in order to fund my contribution toward the maintenance of this very valuable resource.

I must assume that unlike you, I grew up in a culture where 'Nothing is for Nothing'.

I should point out that most of the ROMs developed by members here require no subscription to download.

[Guest Alex_P]

I find the first comment quite insulting. I don't understand the logic behind the thinking of: You can spend a fortune on getting the phone, so you should be capable of spending even more.

Dell charges GBP 240 for the same Blade that you guys can get for GBP 100. If I could have got the phone for something as cheap as that, then I wouldn't have thought for a heartbeat more on spending an additional GBP 10.

But when you have already spent a small fortune in getting the phone, I am afraid there is a limit to how much us "poor people" can spend.

I am an application developer and I am willing to help in any other way.

If you found that insulting, then you are being oversensitive; I didn't intend to insult anyone.

The fact that your phone cost £240 only reinforces my point - if you are not so poor that you can justify spending that on a phone, then I struggle to believe that an additional tenner is a massive difference. As someone else rightly said, you don't get anything for nothing. If you really want it, there are always ways to save/cut back on other things.

You also have to accept that this is a UK site, so UK prices apply. If UK businesses charged Indian prices, then they would go out of business immediately; it isn't sustainable. If I were paid an Indian wage, I wouldn't be able to live in the UK. £10 is really very reasonable.

[Guest rjm2k]

GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Regards.

Not sure what you are actually looking for but there is nothing to force you to subscribe, you can get Pauls pre-baked roms without using his paid for kitchen and there are also roms from others such as KK and flibblescan.

[Guest isambard]

not sure if he's asking for anything free, more whether it is worthwhile to get the ROMs earlier ("1st") since pre-bake is a bit delayed.

with the blade being so cheap, the £10 can work out to be around 15% of the phone cost. i found this also made the question of buying accessories a bit more difficult (why spent a significant proportion of the phone price on a cover/holder).

imo. to get the roms earlier is not worth it, since you can either wait or use the other roms available at no charge. however, if you can afford it and want the newer roms then that's a personal choice.

[Guest Anjan Tek]

I don't know where all this hostility is coming from. Nowhere have I asked to be provided the ROM for free. I perfectly understand the logic behind the subscription.

I repeat: I AM NOT BEGGING OR PLEADING FOR THE ROM.

I don't know from where anybody got the idea that I am "merely pleading poverty ... to be entitled to demand everything immediately & for nothing".

I am perfectly fine waiting for the pre-bake. Why, I am not even on Paul's MCR currently! I am happy with FLB R6.

And that comment about "poor people" - I wasn't even talking about myself. Because the moderator has taken my post from the original thread, the actual context is lost. I was posting in support of some others who had posted just before me about the very same topic.

@Lew247: Why have you taken just my post and given it so much prominence? It looks like I have started this topic and as if I am the only one complaining about the cost!

I hope this clarifies and enough of all the flaming. Seriously!

I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings. And I am not looking for anybody's "sympathy".

Edited January 20, 2011 by Anjan Tek

[Guest Phoenix Silver]

I don't know where all this hostility is coming from. Nowhere have I asked to be provided the ROM for free. I perfectly understand the logic behind the subscription.

I repeat: I AM NOT BEGGING OR PLEADING FOR THE ROM.

I don't know from where anybody got the idea that I am "merely pleading poverty ... to be entitled to demand everything immediately & for nothing".

I am perfectly fine waiting for the pre-bake. Why, I am not even on Paul's MCR currently! I am happy with FLB R6.

And that comment about "poor people" - I wasn't even talking about myself. Because the moderator has taken my post from the original thread, the actual context is lost. I was posting in support of some others who had posted just before me about the very same topic.

@Lew247: Why have you taken just my post and given it so much prominence? It looks like I have started this topic and as if I am the only one complaining about the cost!

I hope this clarifies and enough of all the flaming. Seriously!

I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings. And I am not looking for anybody's "sympathy".

yes post is out of context was in Paul's Thread ;)

[Guest Ash_P]

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Thanks, before I read this post this thread was very confusing, and yes completely out on context.

[Guest rbbrslmn]

GBP 10 is a LOT of money when converted to some other currencies. To all you British guys, GBP 10 may buy you just a couple of pints. But in India, GBP 10 is equivalent to INR 800 and that can buy four people breakfast, lunch and dinner at a very decent restaurant.

I would love to support the devs. But I am afraid GBP 10 is just too expensive for me.

Regards.

honestly, if its too expensive you shouldnt bother... aside from anything else the japanese jellyfish rom is updated more frequently and works great. it would be unreasonable to expect you to pay what is probably the equivalent of an of us in england paying £100 after all! £10 here would buy breakfast for two people in a cheap cafe.

[Guest YusufP]

honestly, if its too expensive you shouldnt bother... aside from anything else the japanese jellyfish rom is updated more frequently and works great. it would be unreasonable to expect you to pay what is probably the equivalent of an of us in england paying £100 after all! £10 here would buy breakfast for two people in a cheap cafe.

I understand where your coming from, and agree with most of your comment.

However, the comparison between the Rupee and the Pound is over simplified.

£10 would be a fairly cheap breakfast in the UK.

For the equivalent however, you could honestly spend 60P for a breakfast for two in India, I did a few times when I visited in 2008.

Now for some people in India, even that is expensive.

Just thought I would point that out.

[Guest Hanks6]

it is what it is. i don't understand how it could be deemed necessary or particularly important to gain access to the mcr builds early, kitchens etc. to me it seems like more a perk/sweetener for people willing to donate. should be a non-issue for others. and its certainly a worthy cause to support the devs here.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Hanks6