Survey to make sense of GEN2 advantages

[Guest Ralph Martin]

Please consider this thread closed.

Results to date have made it clear that the GEN 2 does not give Blades access to either 850MHz or HSUPA.

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Some people seem to get HSUPA, others do not, after going to GEN2.

Some postings say going to GEN2 unlocks 850MHz, but others report that it does not work.

I wonder whether hardware differences between Blades in different markets are responsible?

Anyway, perhaps we could try to make a survey of results people have had

- to try to understand what is going on

- to help others who are thinking of going from GEN1 to GEN2 know what they are likely to achieve.

Can people who have moved from GEN1 to GEN2 please post the following information so we can see if there are any patterns:

Supplier / Model              (E.g. Orange San Francisco)Original ROM                  (E.g. B05, B08, B10)ROM Used after going to GEN2  (E.g. SS RLS4)Network Provider / Country    (E.g. Vodafone, UK)HSUPA                 		(Yes / No / Not supported by my provider; Yes = an upload speed of > 400kbps)850MHz                        (Yes / No / Not supported by my provider)

Note: H in the status bar doesn't stand for HSUPA (U means UPLOAD), it stands for HSDPA - high speed DOWNLOAD packet access.

Please only report "Yes" for HSUPA if you have a confirmed speed test showing > 400kbps

Please don't start a general discussion in this topic, and keep postings to results in the form above. (There are other topics for discussing GEN1 to GEN2).

Edited August 2, 2011 by Ralph Martin

[Guest Drakedian]

ZTE Blade

B03 T-Mobile

SS4b

Vodafone HU

HSUPA YES

850Mhz Not supported

[Guest hecatae]

Orange San Francisco

B05 Orange UK

SS4b

O2 UK

HSUPA YES

850Mhz Not tested

[Guest JimJam707]

Model: Orange SanFransico

Original ROM: B10

ROM After Gen2: CyanogenMod 7 (One Jacob Posted in IRC)

Carrier: T-Mobile, UK

HSUPA: Yup

850Mhz: Beats Me :)

[Guest Matthew Ferguson]

Supplier / Model: Orange San Francisco

Original ROM: B05

ROM Used after going to GEN2: Jacob's CyanogenMod Gen2 (Somewhere in this forum...)

Network Provider / Country: Orange UK/T-Mobile UK (Everything Everywhere)

HSUPA: Yes

850MHz: I have NO clue... not planning to go to Asia or South America any time soon.

Edited April 18, 2011 by Matthew Ferguson

[Guest Jekle]

Model: Orange San Francisco

Original ROM: Orange B10 UK (OLED was B08 but broke)

ROM Used after going to GEN2: Swedish Spring RLS4b

Carrier: Orange, UK

HSUPA: Yes

850MHz: Not tested (UK Doesn't run on 850MHz Bands)

[Guest t0mm13b]

Supplier / Model: Orange San Francisco

Original ROM: B08 (TFT)

ROM Used after going to GEN2: CM7 Gen1

Network Provider / Country: O2 Ireland

HSUPA (Yes / No / Not supported by my provider; Yes = an upload speed of > 400kbps): Yes, Speedtest unconfirmed

850MHz (Yes / No / Not supported by my provider): Yes

Also, prior to gen2, I had an indicator on status bar denoting 'E' for edge, now its 'H' after switch to gen2.

[Guest k0zmic]

Supplier / Model: Orange San Francisco

Original ROM: B10 (TFT)

ROM Used after going to GEN2: Swedish Spring RLS4b

Network Provider / Country: T-Mobile UK

HSUPA (Yes / No / Not supported by my provider): Nope. Speedtest consistently got less than 400KB (Maybe due to location).

850MHz (Yes / No / Not supported by my provider): Not used in UK.

Edited April 18, 2011 by k0zmic

[Guest psidoc]

Supplier / Model: Orange San Francisco

Original ROM: B08

ROM Used after going to GEN2: My own based on the Softbank rom

Network Provider / Country: Three UK

HSUPA: Yes

850MHz: Untested

Psi

[Guest shadowninty]

Model: Orange San Fransisco (White)

Original ROM: B08

ROM After Gen2: CyanogenMod 7 Nightly 39 (KKs fix)

Carrier: Meteor (ROI only carrier)

HSUPA: Yup

850Mhz: Not supported by network

[thx Jim for the layout]

[Guest geegeethatsme]

Model: Orange SF

Original ROM: B05

ROM after Gen 2: SS3

Carrier: giffgaff

HSUPA: Yes

850Mhz: Not tested

[Guest Northern-Loop]

Model: Orange SanFransico

Original ROM: B10

ROM After Gen2: CyanogenMod 7 (One Jacob Posted in IRC)

Carrier: T-Mobile, UK

HSUPA: Yup

850Mhz: Beats Me :)

I'm the same but

So GEN2 is meant to upgrade your Upload speed, well I wasnt finding that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/BWh0v...feat=directlink

GEN1

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/je9Si...feat=directlink

GEN2

:(

But I've had the same T-Mobile SIM card for 6 years so I got a newer SIM:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6v7YM...feat=directlink

:)

Pics working?

Edited April 18, 2011 by Northern-Loop

[Guest Ralph Martin]

I'm the same but

So GEN2 is meant to upgrade your Upload speed, well I wasnt finding that:

But I've had the same T-Mobile SIM card for 6 years so I got a newer SIM:

And this still shows a speed < 400kbps, so you cannot conclude that HUSPA is working for you. Of course, the network may be congested, so it may work, but the whole idea of this thread is for people to post what they are SURE about, as there has been so much confusion and uncertainty about the GEN2 upgrade of late.

(This is not aimed personally, but just a reminder to folk to make SURE before they assert they have HUSPA or 850MHz working, please).

[Guest MDCFan]

Pics working?

Nope, try http://imgur.com/ if you need unrestricted hotlinking to images.

[Guest admanirv]

Im on o2, unlocked GEN1 OLED phone.

I'm off to Australia in two days, i can test this new 850mhz with my aussie simcard and report back?

Edited April 18, 2011 by admanirv

[Guest Matthew Ferguson]

Im on o2, unlocked GEN1 OLED phone.

I'm off to Australia in two days, i can test this new 850mhz with my aussie simcard and report back?

That'd be perfect, then we'd know for sure :) Just make sure the area/network you're in is in that band :)

[Guest mark2410]

That'd be perfect, then we'd know for sure :) Just make sure the area/network you're in is in that band :)

erm im certainly on a gen 1 and i always get more than 400k up so i really wouldnt suggest that people take that as an indication they are on HSUPA

[Guest Ralph Martin]

erm im certainly on a gen 1 and i always get more than 400k up so i really wouldnt suggest that people take that as an indication they are on HSUPA

If you have EDGE only: the theoretical maximum speed is 473 kbps but it is typically limited to 135 kbps in order to conserve spectrum resources. Are you really sure of this? If so it would indicate that at least some Blades have HSUPA anyway. Please fill in ALL the details as requested, however. The whole point of this thread is to try to make some sense in detail of what's going on, which we can't do without knowing what your phone is, what network you are on, what ROM you have, etc.

[Guest KACE_231]

By the looks of it there arent a whole lot of advantages of GEN2

1. 850Mhz is only useful is some countries (UK-excluding)

2. HSUPA add ~200Kb/s extra UPLOAD speed, and is not availible everywhere

The only real reason to upgrade to GEN2 is to continue using updates of CM7

[Guest The Soup Thief]

[...]The only real reason to upgrade to GEN2 is to continue using updates of CM7

And other yet-to-be-developed-ROMs too, since my strong sense is that people developing ROMs are more likely to prioritise development for the more current configurations (particularly when they themselves own only one handset, which will be one or the other, but not both)

While there is likely to continue to be development of other non CM ROMs on gen1, my guess is that this will tail off as the number of new blades shipping w gen2 increases beyond the number of existing gen1 blades in the wild

Going a bit off topic though - this is a survey, not a debate

[Guest hecatae]

By the looks of it there arent a whole lot of advantages of GEN2

1. 850Mhz is only useful is some countries (UK-excluding)

2. HSUPA add ~200Kb/s extra UPLOAD speed, and is not availible everywhere

The only real reason to upgrade to GEN2 is to continue using updates of CM7

HSUPA gives a maximum upload of 5.76mbs on the blade and I have achieved 2.0 MB before

[Guest Letoo]

I'm the same but

So GEN2 is meant to upgrade your Upload speed, well I wasnt finding that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/BWh0v...feat=directlink

GEN1

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/je9Si...feat=directlink

GEN2

lol why is the second picture with wifi on, not the hsdpa?

[Guest Northern-Loop]

lol why is the second picture with wifi on, not the hsdpa?

Ignore the wifi on as I was viewing the results page. It was on the CELL when the test was taken.

[Guest Matthew Ferguson]

erm im certainly on a gen 1 and i always get more than 400k up so i really wouldnt suggest that people take that as an indication they are on HSUPA

I wasn't talking to you so I have no idea why you responded. It also has NOTHING to do with HSUPA. I was suggesting that the user find out if the 850mhz spectrum works once updating to Gen2.

[Guest super san francisco]

did anyone else find the reception to have gotten a little worse? i have 1-2 bars of reception(gsm/wcdma auto mode), whereas i was having 3-4 bars at the exact same location...

what could i do in this case?

i just flashed gen2 about 2 hours ago, then made my little adjustments to ss rls4b and flashed it, works a treat, just the reception buggers me....