Android needs an "Ubuntu" of the Android world; too many ROMs!!

[Guest glossywhite]

I've been a user and hacker of Ubuntu Linux for many years now. What confuses me on this forum is the sheer number of handsets/revisions/ROMs + revisions of those. I propose that something be done about this, without devs dropping out like flies, and new ROMs being released constantly, forking off in different directions.

Think of it like this; think of Android as "The Debian of the mobile phone world". Got that? Right. Vanilla Android, in my eyes, is analogous to the Debian Linux distro, and therefore, we need a universal, uniform, well maintained Android equivalent of Ubuntu (Debian is pure - Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, and based upon it).

Good idea? Basing ONE Android "distro" upon the vanilla Android versions, and making it into the "Ubuntu of Android".

thoughts...?

[Guest HCDR.Jacob]

I've been a user and hacker of Ubuntu Linux for many years now. What confuses me on this forum is the sheer number of handsets/revisions/ROMs + revisions of those. I propose that something be done about this, without devs dropping out like flies, and new ROMs being released constantly, forking off in different directions.

Think of it like this; think of Android as "The Debian of the mobile phone world". Got that? Right. Vanilla Android, in my eyes, is analogous to the Debian Linux distro, and therefore, we need a universal, uniform, well maintained Android equivalent of Ubuntu (Debian is pure - Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, and based upon it).

Good idea? Basing ONE Android "distro" upon the vanilla Android versions, and making it into the "Ubuntu of Android".

thoughts...?

It's called CyanogenMod

[Guest hecatae]

It's called CyanogenMod

http://www.cyanogenmod.com

Edited April 19, 2011 by hecatae

[Guest glossywhite]

It's called CyanogenMod

Ah, yes - but does it work on MOST handsets?

[Guest Matthew Ferguson]

It's called CyanogenMod

Not that I don't love CM7, but I had to do a lot of work to get it close to stock. Vanilla Android CM7 certainly is not...

[Guest HCDR.Jacob]

Ah, yes - but does it work on MOST handsets?

More than any other ROM

[Guest HCDR.Jacob]

Not that I don't love CM7, but I had to do a lot of work to get it close to stock. Vanilla Android CM7 certainly is not...

To me this thread doesn't seem to ask for vanilla, but something based on vanilla. CM is based on vanilla

[Guest glossywhite]

More than any other ROM

Ah, okay :)

To me this thread doesn't seem to ask for vanilla, but something based on vanilla. CM is based on vanilla

^ This

Edited April 19, 2011 by glossywhite

[Guest hecatae]

Ah, yes - but does it work on MOST handsets?

does Ubuntu work on MOST devices?

i486 dropped

sparc dropped

ps3 dropped

i586 dropped

and on and on

[Guest glossywhite]

does Ubuntu work on MOST devices?

i486 dropped

sparc dropped

ps3 dropped

i586 dropped

and on and on

Don't be pedantic. You're making invalid comparisons.

PS3 dropped ITSELF, by abandoning Linux, so what do you expect? You want Ubuntu to run on a 486?! :)

Pass me those specs - I like pink :)

Edited April 19, 2011 by glossywhite

[Guest hecatae]

Don't be pedantic. You're making invalid comparisons.

PS3 dropped ITSELF, by abandoning Linux, so what do you expect? You want Ubuntu to run on a 486?! :)

Pass me those specs - I like pink :)

I will do when you've finished with them :(

[Guest glossywhite]

I will do when you've finished with them :)

:)

[Guest t0mm13b]

I've been a user and hacker of Ubuntu Linux for many years now. What confuses me on this forum is the sheer number of handsets/revisions/ROMs + revisions of those. I propose that something be done about this, without devs dropping out like flies, and new ROMs being released constantly, forking off in different directions.

Think of it like this; think of Android as "The Debian of the mobile phone world". Got that? Right. Vanilla Android, in my eyes, is analogous to the Debian Linux distro, and therefore, we need a universal, uniform, well maintained Android equivalent of Ubuntu (Debian is pure - Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, and based upon it).

Good idea? Basing ONE Android "distro" upon the vanilla Android versions, and making it into the "Ubuntu of Android".

thoughts...?

meh! :)

Regardless of your bias to your kind of linux distro, your post absolutely makes no sense....

It is the manufacturers that is driving the fragmentation, not the devs on this forum (or on any other forum for that matter)

Think about it, if there was ever such a standard for what goes into handsets, there would be one pure AOSP tree for *ALL* handsets.... but let's get real... .manufacturers save themselves the cost by "cherry picking" bits of chipsets etc at an affordable price to manufacture and pass on the cost to the consumer....

Devs on the other hand are chasing around all over the place looking for code that matches or near matches the chipset etc, and manufacturers are not being transparent or honest enough to publish the entire source, hence the different versions, forks, patches, you name it...

simple logic really so ... your post gets a -1 from me.... :)

Edited April 19, 2011 by t0mm13b

[Guest glossywhite]

meh! :)

Regardless of your bias to your kind of linux distro, your post absolutely makes no sense....

It is the manufacturers that is driving the fragmentation, not the devs on this forum (or on any other forum for that matter)

Think about it, if there was ever such a standard for what goes into handsets, there would be one pure AOSP tree for *ALL* handsets.... but let's get real... .manufacturers save themselves the cost by "cherry picking" bits of chipsets etc at an affordable price to manufacture and pass on the cost to the consumer....

Devs on the other hand are chasing around all over the place looking for code that matches or near matches the chipset etc, and manufacturers are not being transparent or honest enough to publish the entire source, hence the different versions, forks, patches, you name it...

simple logic really so ... your post gets a -1 from me.... :)

It makes no sense to YOU.

Meh back, whatever.

[Guest unrandomsam]

I've been a user and hacker of Ubuntu Linux for many years now. What confuses me on this forum is the sheer number of handsets/revisions/ROMs + revisions of those. I propose that something be done about this, without devs dropping out like flies, and new ROMs being released constantly, forking off in different directions.

Think of it like this; think of Android as "The Debian of the mobile phone world". Got that? Right. Vanilla Android, in my eyes, is analogous to the Debian Linux distro, and therefore, we need a universal, uniform, well maintained Android equivalent of Ubuntu (Debian is pure - Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, and based upon it).

Good idea? Basing ONE Android "distro" upon the vanilla Android versions, and making it into the "Ubuntu of Android".

thoughts...?

We already have that

AOSP is pure like Debian

most of the other stuff is broken with dodgy hacks (like Ubuntu). (Mostly by the handset manufacturers who take shortcuts)

[Guest unrandomsam]

We already have that

AOSP is pure like Debian

most of the other stuff is broken with dodgy hacks (like Ubuntu). (Mostly by the handset manufacturers who take shortcuts)

Forgot as well the device manufacturers add loads of non-free binary crap also (exactly like ubuntu)

[Guest isambard]

I've been a user and hacker of Ubuntu Linux for many years now. What confuses me on this forum is the sheer number of handsets/revisions/ROMs + revisions of those. I propose that something be done about this, without devs dropping out like flies, and new ROMs being released constantly, forking off in different directions.

Think of it like this; think of Android as "The Debian of the mobile phone world". Got that? Right. Vanilla Android, in my eyes, is analogous to the Debian Linux distro, and therefore, we need a universal, uniform, well maintained Android equivalent of Ubuntu (Debian is pure - Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, and based upon it).

Good idea? Basing ONE Android "distro" upon the vanilla Android versions, and making it into the "Ubuntu of Android".

thoughts...?

i think CM is probably the one here, unless you can think of another that has more hardware support than CM?

[Guest eLJay]

i think CM is probably the one here, unless you can think of another that has more hardware support than CM?

I'd agree I'm running CM7 Stable on Both the AMOLED and White versions and haven't had and trouble with it.

Plus the Android is 2.3.3 and not a 2.2 version :-)

[Guest Phoenix Silver]

where is my comment about sexist subject in this thread ?

don't think i forgot you the troll glossywhite

hacker ubuntu ???? oO ubuntu is like windows for people who don't know nothing in computers

young 13 years old boy

and don't call me dude

see here

modos it's seem you are men and don't care abouts women

nothing more to say

cheers

Alice

Edited April 20, 2011 by Phoenix Silver

[Guest t0mm13b]

where is my comment about sexist subject in this thread ?

don't think i forgot you the troll glossywhite

hacker ubuntu ???? oO ubuntu is like windows for people who don't know nothing in computers

young 13 years old boy

and don't call me dude

see here

modos it's seem you are men and don't care abouts women

nothing more to say

cheers

Alice

Yeah.... I haven't forgotten glossywhite's arrogant attitude that reeked of troll-bait.... plus there was a few other posts that were deleted... including Phoenix_Silver's posting...

glossywhite - get off yer high horse and get real and fook off!

Edited April 20, 2011 by t0mm13b

[Guest The Sorcerer]

Yeah.... I haven't forgotten glossywhite's arrogant attitude that reeked of troll-bait.... plus there was a few other posts that were deleted... including Phoenix_Silver's posting...

glossywhite - get off yer high horse and get real and fook off!

If I might be permitted to 'stick my oar in' here with my own personal view.......

First off, I want you to know that I'm not a thick person and I'm not unintelligent. I'm a fully qualified electrician who now works in IT and I've got various IT and Cisco qualifications but I admit that mobile phones and Android baffle me - and I also admit that I'm not really interested enough to find out more about them. I bought an Orange San Francisco but didn't like all the preinstalled crap that Orange had put on so I did some research and found this site.

I tried one ROM but something didn't work so I tried a second ROM and something different didn't work. I then tried a third ROM and something else completely different didn't work - so I went back to stock Orange ROM but manually got rid of the things I didn't like or want and so far, that seems the best option for me.

My point is that the devs and other enthusiasts seem to be falling over themselves to do something new or to move forward at all costs, without actually perfecting the basics first and making something that is 100% reliable, 100% of the time. As far as I'm aware, there's not ONE ROM that can just be installed and left alone to work perfectly - instead, we get r1, r2, r3.....r11 and topics grow from one page to 20, 30 or more pages as a fix for one problem breaks something else.

In my humble opinion, what we need is one ROM, one page, this is it, it works. The wifi works, the camera works, the music works, etc., etc., - everything just WORKS all of the time. Then, after that one, hack and develop all you like, but let's just have one, solid, reliable ROM to begin with.

No offence meant to any hard-working devs or enthusiasts, just an end-user's opinion.

[Guest rickywyatt]

where is my comment about sexist subject in this thread ?

don't think i forgot you the troll glossywhite

hacker ubuntu ???? oO ubuntu is like windows for people who don't know nothing in computers

young 13 years old boy

and don't call me dude

see here

modos it's seem you are men and don't care abouts women

nothing more to say

cheers

Alice

i was the one that deleted all post witch i thought was causing

offence i do care how women feel and thats why i deleted all the post

[Guest IronDoc]

If I might be permitted to 'stick my oar in' here with my own personal view.......

First off, I want you to know that I'm not a thick person and I'm not unintelligent. I'm a fully qualified electrician who now works in IT and I've got various IT and Cisco qualifications but I admit that mobile phones and Android baffle me - and I also admit that I'm not really interested enough to find out more about them. I bought an Orange San Francisco but didn't like all the preinstalled crap that Orange had put on so I did some research and found this site.

I tried one ROM but something didn't work so I tried a second ROM and something different didn't work. I then tried a third ROM and something else completely different didn't work - so I went back to stock Orange ROM but manually got rid of the things I didn't like or want and so far, that seems the best option for me.

My point is that the devs and other enthusiasts seem to be falling over themselves to do something new or to move forward at all costs, without actually perfecting the basics first and making something that is 100% reliable, 100% of the time. As far as I'm aware, there's not ONE ROM that can just be installed and left alone to work perfectly - instead, we get r1, r2, r3.....r11 and topics grow from one page to 20, 30 or more pages as a fix for one problem breaks something else.

In my humble opinion, what we need is one ROM, one page, this is it, it works. The wifi works, the camera works, the music works, etc., etc., - everything just WORKS all of the time. Then, after that one, hack and develop all you like, but let's just have one, solid, reliable ROM to begin with.

No offence meant to any hard-working devs or enthusiasts, just an end-user's opinion.

You offering to make one? If anyone could do so without an unreasonable amount of work, I think they would have by now.

And you want something stable but without multiple releases, oxymoronic surely?

[Guest Rotmann]

If I might be permitted to 'stick my oar in' here with my own personal view.......

First off, I want you to know that I'm not a thick person and I'm not unintelligent. I'm a fully qualified electrician who now works in IT and I've got various IT and Cisco qualifications but I admit that mobile phones and Android baffle me - and I also admit that I'm not really interested enough to find out more about them. I bought an Orange San Francisco but didn't like all the preinstalled crap that Orange had put on so I did some research and found this site.

I tried one ROM but something didn't work so I tried a second ROM and something different didn't work. I then tried a third ROM and something else completely different didn't work - so I went back to stock Orange ROM but manually got rid of the things I didn't like or want and so far, that seems the best option for me.

My point is that the devs and other enthusiasts seem to be falling over themselves to do something new or to move forward at all costs, without actually perfecting the basics first and making something that is 100% reliable, 100% of the time. As far as I'm aware, there's not ONE ROM that can just be installed and left alone to work perfectly - instead, we get r1, r2, r3.....r11 and topics grow from one page to 20, 30 or more pages as a fix for one problem breaks something else.

In my humble opinion, what we need is one ROM, one page, this is it, it works. The wifi works, the camera works, the music works, etc., etc., - everything just WORKS all of the time. Then, after that one, hack and develop all you like, but let's just have one, solid, reliable ROM to begin with.

No offence meant to any hard-working devs or enthusiasts, just an end-user's opinion.

Can't agree here. I think you made some mistakes every time if something went wrong every time. Just take a look at Swedish Spring, that ROM is as close to perfect as it gets. As for CyanogenMOD 7 (Gingerbread) it still has some niggles, but you just can't make a ROM perfect if people don't test and time does not go by. What should the devs do? Keep the ROMs for themselves for 3-6 months and test them alone? I am on CyanogenMOD 7 since the first nightly and I use the phone for productivity too, the little niggles' importance is smaller then the features I get. You have to balance the features and the performance with the niggles. The lowest I'd go is Swedish Spring if you really need close to 100% stability. But 2.1? Sheesh, that's antique, miserable performance in gaming and browsing compared to 2.2 or 2.3.

[Guest Fou-lu]

If I might be permitted to 'stick my oar in' here with my own personal view.......

First off, I want you to know that I'm not a thick person and I'm not unintelligent. I'm a fully qualified electrician who now works in IT and I've got various IT and Cisco qualifications but I admit that mobile phones and Android baffle me - and I also admit that I'm not really interested enough to find out more about them. I bought an Orange San Francisco but didn't like all the preinstalled crap that Orange had put on so I did some research and found this site.

I tried one ROM but something didn't work so I tried a second ROM and something different didn't work. I then tried a third ROM and something else completely different didn't work - so I went back to stock Orange ROM but manually got rid of the things I didn't like or want and so far, that seems the best option for me.

My point is that the devs and other enthusiasts seem to be falling over themselves to do something new or to move forward at all costs, without actually perfecting the basics first and making something that is 100% reliable, 100% of the time. As far as I'm aware, there's not ONE ROM that can just be installed and left alone to work perfectly - instead, we get r1, r2, r3.....r11 and topics grow from one page to 20, 30 or more pages as a fix for one problem breaks something else.

In my humble opinion, what we need is one ROM, one page, this is it, it works. The wifi works, the camera works, the music works, etc., etc., - everything just WORKS all of the time. Then, after that one, hack and develop all you like, but let's just have one, solid, reliable ROM to begin with.

No offence meant to any hard-working devs or enthusiasts, just an end-user's opinion.

well, there's been many "reliable" roms jj9, FLB r10+, ss4, CM7 has some minor flaws but reliable, the devs "hack and develop" to first port it, then fix the basics, cant fix what doesn't exist until it's been developed, otherwise you just had bad luck in your rom selection :)