new vega vs 1st\2nd batch vegas

[Guest worto03]

Hi,

I got my Vega in the 2nd batch at the start of last Dec, I've seen things mentioned in various threads about the new Vega's being different but no direct comparison can anyone expand on the differences below and list any additional ones?

Build Quality - people have mentioned that the material the vega is made out of has changed from plastic to some sort of metal - is this an improvement? Just sounds like it would add weight to me? Is it still plastic but just looks different?

Buttons - the buttons on mine feel weak and I've been worried for a while that they are likely to break - I have read that the buttons are different on the newer models - have they been improved much?

software - 1.10 seems to be on the newest ones but isn't available for download, must say I'm not really fussed about this as I use custom ROM's anyway.

unusable touch screen when charging - this is quite a biggie, I have read that a different charger can solve the issue but also that the newer models don't have the problem, is this just because it comes shipped with a different charger or has the vega hardware been changed?

Better touchscreen - not sure if this is just a perception thing or a software thing, I've not noticed any problems with the touchscreen (apart from when on charge) but do't have a newer model to compare against - is the touchscreen any different on new builds?

anything else been changed?

thanks for any input,

worto.

[Guest premieral]

Hi,

I got my Vega in the 2nd batch at the start of last Dec, I've seen things mentioned in various threads about the new Vega's being different but no direct comparison can anyone expand on the differences below and list any additional ones?

Build Quality - people have mentioned that the material the vega is made out of has changed from plastic to some sort of metal - is this an improvement? Just sounds like it would add weight to me? Is it still plastic but just looks different?

Buttons - the buttons on mine feel weak and I've been worried for a while that they are likely to break - I have read that the buttons are different on the newer models - have they been improved much?

software - 1.10 seems to be on the newest ones but isn't available for download, must say I'm not really fussed about this as I use custom ROM's anyway.

unusable touch screen when charging - this is quite a biggie, I have read that a different charger can solve the issue but also that the newer models don't have the problem, is this just because it comes shipped with a different charger or has the vega hardware been changed?

Better touchscreen - not sure if this is just a perception thing or a software thing, I've not noticed any problems with the touchscreen (apart from when on charge) but do't have a newer model to compare against - is the touchscreen any different on new builds?

anything else been changed?

thanks for any input,

worto.

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Hi Worto

I got mine in Feb so at least 2nd batch, I can say buttons seem fine, body is solid but plastic, touchscreen is very good in all areas and no difference when charging I can't compare sorry as its the only one I have had, ideally you need someone who has or had both I suppose :mellow: but from following this forum I would say the later models have definately been improved :o

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[Guest premieral]

Hi,

I got my Vega in the 2nd batch at the start of last Dec, I've seen things mentioned in various threads about the new Vega's being different but no direct comparison can anyone expand on the differences below and list any additional ones?

Build Quality - people have mentioned that the material the vega is made out of has changed from plastic to some sort of metal - is this an improvement? Just sounds like it would add weight to me? Is it still plastic but just looks different?

Buttons - the buttons on mine feel weak and I've been worried for a while that they are likely to break - I have read that the buttons are different on the newer models - have they been improved much?

software - 1.10 seems to be on the newest ones but isn't available for download, must say I'm not really fussed about this as I use custom ROM's anyway.

unusable touch screen when charging - this is quite a biggie, I have read that a different charger can solve the issue but also that the newer models don't have the problem, is this just because it comes shipped with a different charger or has the vega hardware been changed?

Better touchscreen - not sure if this is just a perception thing or a software thing, I've not noticed any problems with the touchscreen (apart from when on charge) but do't have a newer model to compare against - is the touchscreen any different on new builds?

anything else been changed?

thanks for any input,

worto.

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Hi Worto

I got mine in Feb so at least 2nd batch, I can say buttons seem fine, body is solid but plastic, touchscreen is very good in all areas and no difference when charging I can't compare sorry as its the only one I have had, ideally you need someone who has or had both I suppose :mellow: but from following this forum I would say the later models have definately been improved :o

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[Guest carl rose]

My first Vega, bought a week before christmas had all sorts of problems. I personally think that the rim around the vega was some type of metal. The touch screen was bad on the left side registering multiple touches, could not drag any icons over to the left without doing it many times as the icons would drop automatically. The bird in angry birds, often got released even before I let go, as the screen would loose contact with the finger unless i put my whole thumb. The game crashed a lot as it registered multiple touches. I bought a new charger and that helped but nothing compared to my new Vega that I got a week or two back. This new vega, in my opinion has a hard plastic/fiber rim around the screen where the home button is. The screen is like my iphone 4, wether it's charging or not. It still has the bad viewing angles and only has 2 point multi touch but in therms of double tapping never happens. Icons can be moved to all parts of the screen without problems, the multi touch visualizer registers the same solid consistency everywhere. The firmware 1.10 is very good and it does fix some issues. After using it for a while I can say that the battery meter is now stable and fixed, no more switching your vega off when you are at 60% battery and turning it back on within the next five minutes and it would be 19%. This has been tested by me and it all works. Unless this is to do with the improved hardware, I have not had the need to flash the vega so have not tried other old firmwares.

Let me know what else you would like to know and I will check it for you

Edited May 4, 2011 by carl rose

[Guest Yogimax]

My first Vega, bought a week before christmas had all sorts of problems. I personally think that the rim around the vega was some type of metal. The touch screen was bad on the left side registering multiple touches, could not drag any icons over to the left without doing it many times as the icons would drop automatically. The bird in angry birds, often got released even before I let go, as the screen would loose contact with the finger unless i put my whole thumb. The game crashed a lot as it registered multiple touches. I bought a new charger and that helped but nothing compared to my new Vega that I got a week or two back. This new vega, in my opinion has a hard plastic/fiber rim around the screen where the home button is. The screen is like my iphone 4, wether it's charging or not. It still has the bad viewing angles and only has 2 point multi touch but in therms of double tapping never happens. Icons can be moved to all parts of the screen without problems, the multi touch visualizer registers the same solid consistency everywhere. The firmware 1.10 is very good and it does fix some issues. After using it for a while I can say that the battery meter is now stable and fixed, no more switching your vega off when you are at 60% battery and turning it back on within the next five minutes and it would be 19%. This has been tested by me and it all works. Unless this is to do with the improved hardware, I have not had the need to flash the vega so have not tried other old firmwares.

Let me know what else you would like to know and I will check it for you

I got my Vega at the same time as my brother at the end of December. No matter which ROM I use including screen calibration, if it is plugged in charging it is impossible to type on (plus I still have the Angry Birds issues mentioned!).

How did you go about getting yours replaced, and did you have to reflash back to the original ROM?

[Guest carl rose]

I got my Vega at the same time as my brother at the end of December. No matter which ROM I use including screen calibration, if it is plugged in charging it is impossible to type on (plus I still have the Angry Birds issues mentioned!).

How did you go about getting yours replaced, and did you have to reflash back to the original ROM?

Backup to the SD with Titanium Backup and restore to the 1.09. Install angry birds (any) and multitouch visualizer and make your way to pc world. Show them what the problem is and actually demonstrate what's wrong with it. They will swap it for you, if they say that they have not got any stock then ask them if they have any stock of the one on display (different product codes but same unit). If they say that it has to go in for repair then you will have to wait 15 days but I am pretty sure that after that they will have to replace it. They might replace the screen but I doubt it.

[Guest Yogimax]

Backup to the SD with Titanium Backup and restore to the 1.09. Install angry birds (any) and multitouch visualizer and make your way to pc world. Show them what the problem is and actually demonstrate what's wrong with it. They will swap it for you, if they say that they have not got any stock then ask them if they have any stock of the one on display (different product codes but same unit). If they say that it has to go in for repair then you will have to wait 15 days but I am pretty sure that after that they will have to replace it. They might replace the screen but I doubt it.

Cheers - I'll try it...

[Guest worto03]

Cheers - I'll try it...

me too I think - thanks for all the info Carl.

[Guest carl rose]

me too I think - thanks for all the info Carl.

Np Let us know how you got on. :mellow:

[Guest Stevonator]

Hi,

I got my Vega in the 2nd batch at the start of last Dec, I've seen things mentioned in various threads about the new Vega's being different but no direct comparison can anyone expand on the differences below and list any additional ones?

Build Quality - people have mentioned that the material the vega is made out of has changed from plastic to some sort of metal - is this an improvement? Just sounds like it would add weight to me? Is it still plastic but just looks different?

Buttons - the buttons on mine feel weak and I've been worried for a while that they are likely to break - I have read that the buttons are different on the newer models - have they been improved much?

software - 1.10 seems to be on the newest ones but isn't available for download, must say I'm not really fussed about this as I use custom ROM's anyway.

unusable touch screen when charging - this is quite a biggie, I have read that a different charger can solve the issue but also that the newer models don't have the problem, is this just because it comes shipped with a different charger or has the vega hardware been changed?

Better touchscreen - not sure if this is just a perception thing or a software thing, I've not noticed any problems with the touchscreen (apart from when on charge) but do't have a newer model to compare against - is the touchscreen any different on new builds?

anything else been changed?

thanks for any input,

worto.

Hey Worto :mellow:

I got my Vega a few days ago in April so I would believe I'm the proud owner of a 2nd batch vega :D

Build Quality: The build quality feels moderate, I would dread to think what would happen to it if I were to drop it on the floor. I hate even thinking about it ! It's definitely still plastic.

Buttons: I've heard many people say they're back buttons and home buttons are really fiddly and don't feel right. To be honest I can't see anything wrong with them. It's a 200 pound machine so even if they were fiddly I couldn't complain. They still work.

Software: Haven't been around long enough to compare it to previous versions of the stock rom, however the software it comes with is very usable and I didn't see anything wrong with it in my short time using it before I switched to Custom. The only thing I didn't like was the lack of the Market, but I guess that's no different anyway!

Unusable touchscreen while charging: That's something that is still around, you can't use the keyboard as the device believes you've pressed a key two, three sometimes even four times. You can't move anything around on the home screen. It's terrible whilst charging. I haven't heard that you can fix that with a different charger I will definitely have to look into that :o

Better Touchscreen: Again I haven't got a earlier model to compare it to, but in my opinion the feel of the touchscreen is premium. It feels gorgeous to use and swipe. It feels amazing lol.

All in all the advent vega at stock is a mediocre device worth the money you pay for it, however after you stick a custom rom on it it's a superb device which makes you feel like you've stolen from the shop and makes you want to treasure it forever :D I loves my vega lol don't call me sad, but I genuinely believe it's a fantastic device. I wouldn't change it for any of the more expensive devices.

Hope this helps :D

[Guest worto03]

thanks for the feedback Stevonator - what I meant by 2nd batch (when I got mine) was the very original 2nd batch at release time, stock was hard to come by and we were all following adventvega on twitter to see when a new batch got released. Using my terminology your the proud owner of a 'new build vega' :mellow:

Your post still makes perfect sense anyway - odd though that you report the keyboard when on charge problem still exists on yours when other people have reported no problems with the newer models.

I've not decided what to do yet, I wholeheartedly agree with all of your positive points in your post and am not knocking the vega in any way - I'm very happy with it. On the flipside of that I'm also concerned that I may have an inferior early model and if I don't do something about it now I'll be annoyed at myself when my buttons all break a day out of warranty as good as the product is there is a part of me that feels that the early adopters were sold products that could be considered technically faulty - As I've said the two that bother me are the buttons and the usability while on charge.

I use it quite a lot to play music with it plugged in next to my stereo and the vega streams the music from my nas and outputs it via the stereo speakers, then to do anything on it I turn it off at the wall do what I need to do then turn it back on again - not a major issue but if thats been fixed on newer models I'd be up for attempting a swapout.

[Guest chockimon]

I got my vega last february. I'm not certain, but I'm sure it came with 1.09FW, but as it was pretty useless out of the box, I upgraded to the MCR straight away and didn't check the FW number. I've not noticed any of the problems mentioned. My screen is good, the buttons are fine and no problems with the charger either. How do you know whether it's the second batch or not. I'm currently using the POV Mobii 1.10 Rom, which is the nicest and most stable ROM in my opinion. Just a shame it's stuck in USB host mode, which is the only downside.

[Guest Shaizer]

Got my vega around 20th Jan, haven't had a lot of screen issues but I have experienced the double (even triple) taps while charging. I'm just wondering if they used a better screen with better viewing angles and one thing I am really missing while playing some THD games is true multitouch (more than 2 points) which the vega lacks (and so does my desire), with such a big screen it really is quite important.

[Guest Yogimax]

I got my vega last february. I'm not certain, but I'm sure it came with 1.09FW, but as it was pretty useless out of the box, I upgraded to the MCR straight away and didn't check the FW number. I've not noticed any of the problems mentioned. My screen is good, the buttons are fine and no problems with the charger either. How do you know whether it's the second batch or not. I'm currently using the POV Mobii 1.10 Rom, which is the nicest and most stable ROM in my opinion. Just a shame it's stuck in USB host mode, which is the only downside.

When I got my Vega it came with version 1.04 (which quickly got upgraded to Paul's best!)

Edited May 4, 2011 by Yogimax

[Guest warriorscot]

There have been a lot of iterations of the vega as each batch makes small changes as they have been manufactured the two I have had were months in between but were fairly different. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been a dozen "batches" or runs of the vega since November.

The buttons have definately changed, the older vegas had more solid buttons HOWEVER they were also breakable much more so than the new softer buttons. But the softer more fiddly buttons still work perfectly they are just less tactile but less prone to breaking it seems.

The whole plastic thing is actually a good thing. Metal doesn't mean better its a stronger material but its denser and so even smaller metal tablets are much heavier and the plastic actually absorbs impact well the all or partially alloy based tablets will have different damage when dropped but still break just as easily. Also all that plastic makes the vega light, very light compared to even smaller competing tablets that use metal alloy framework.

[Guest SamH]

Hi

Have just bought a Vega and am seeking some advice.

With the stock rom I have experienced the dodgy keyboard entry issue (repeating key entry) which made entering text very frustrating.

Also had the problems with touch playing angry birds.

However at this point the device was on charge all the time.

I quickly upgraded to Paul's rom and these issues appeared to disappear.

I'm now left wondering if I should get this tablet exchanged for another or this an inherent issue with all of them?

ie. does the tablet I have have a defective touchscreen or is it a software issue?

I'd be grateful for any advice. Thanks

[Guest carl rose]

Hi

Have just bought a Vega and am seeking some advice.

With the stock rom I have experienced the dodgy keyboard entry issue (repeating key entry) which made entering text very frustrating.

Also had the problems with touch playing angry birds.

However at this point the device was on charge all the time.

I quickly upgraded to Paul's rom and these issues appeared to disappear.

I'm now left wondering if I should get this tablet exchanged for another or this an inherent issue with all of them?

ie. does the tablet I have have a defective touchscreen or is it a software issue?

I'd be grateful for any advice. Thanks

I would change it if I was you. Did you just buy it? It must of been an old batch one as all the new ones don't seem to suffer from the symptoms you are describing

[Guest SamH]

I would change it if I was you. Did you just buy it? It must of been an old batch one as all the new ones don't seem to suffer from the symptoms you are describing

Yes, I just bought it on Tuesday.

Is there any way I can tell that I'm getting a different batch when I exchange?

NB: This is really strange!

I've just restored my Vega with the v1.09_Vega_Final ROM image and when I tested it while charging the keyboard works fine and Angry Birds works fine.

Bizarre

I now not sure what to do?!

Edited May 5, 2011 by SamH

[Guest carl rose]

Yes, I just bought it on Tuesday.

Is there any way I can tell that I'm getting a different batch when I exchange?

Nope, you will have to open it there and check.

[Guest SamH]

Nope, you will have to open it there and check.

Thanks Carl, grateful for your response at this time of night!

I edited my previous post after your reply (must remember to refresh my browser)

As I mentioned, after I reflashed back to the original rom it doesn't seem to be displaying the problems that were there when I first bought it.

I don't think I'll be able to demonstrate the problems if I return the device any more. I really wasn't expecting this to happen!

Oh well.....

[Guest carl rose]

Thanks Carl, grateful for your response at this time of night!

I edited my previous post after your reply (must remember to refresh my browser)

As I mentioned, after I reflashed back to the original rom it doesn't seem to be displaying the problems that were there when I first bought it.

I don't think I'll be able to demonstrate the problems if I return the device any more. I really wasn't expecting this to happen!

Oh well.....

Not a problem. Well, if it's alright then there is no need to take it back. It must of been a glitch with the drivers or something similar. Mine had the 1.09 when I gave it back and no matter what rom I put in it it was always bad. Faulty screen.

[Guest matthijskox]

Yesterday i received my new POV mobii (the old one had battery drain issues). As of yet, I do not know if the battery is better than the old one but the touchscreen is miles better! No more double taps etc.

Edited May 6, 2011 by matthijskox

[Guest Unipete]

Not a problem. Well, if it's alright then there is no need to take it back. It must of been a glitch with the drivers or something similar. Mine had the 1.09 when I gave it back and no matter what rom I put in it it was always bad. Faulty screen.

I got mine in early Jan when it was shipped without flash and 1.08. Made it into a better machine with Paul's ROMs but the touchscreen issue was and still is a PITA!

Am now going to take it back to PC World cos I've had enough and I've also invested more money on it in terms of a case, dock, 32gb sd card etc.

I love it but I want the bloody thing to work properly.

If they get funny I might have to remind them that selling a product whose major selling point is the touch screen, a faulty screen would make it unfit for purpose!

[Guest Unipete]

If anyone has an issue with the 'touchscreen' element of this touchscreen product and decides to take it back to whichever member of DSG they bought it from and they get funny/ar**y about doing anything for you to resolve the issue they might need reminding of this bit of legislation: (don't think I can provide a link here though but assume I can copy and paste. Remove and give me a kicking if I'm wrong).

Anyway, these are the important bits. Especially Point 2B (a), about being fit for purpose.

Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994

(1)In section 14 of the M1Sale of Goods Act 1979 (implied terms about quality or fitness) for subsection (2) there is substituted—

“(2)Where the seller sells goods in the course of a business, there is an implied term that the goods supplied under the contract are of satisfactory quality.

(2A)For the purposes of this Act, goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other relevant circumstances.

(2B)For the purposes of this Act, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following (among others) are in appropriate cases aspects of the quality of goods—

(a)fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied,

(b)appearance and finish,

©freedom from minor defects,

(d)safety, and

(e)durability.

(2C)The term implied by subsection (2) above does not extend to any matter making the quality of goods unsatisfactory—

(a)which is specifically drawn to the buyer’s attention before the contract is made,

(b)where the buyer examines the goods before the contract is made, which that examination ought to reveal, or

©in the case of a contract for sale by sample, which would have been apparent on a reasonable examination of the sample.”

(2)In section 15 of that Act (sale by sample) in subsection (2)© for “rendering them unmerchantable” there is substituted “ making their quality unsatisfactory”.

We don't know about durability yet and if you were lucky enough to actually get hands on in a store to test it I have no idea how you would stand in a dispute, (I am not a lawyer BTW)

Sorry for the long post.