Source codes

[Guest Simon O]

/system/bin/busybox

That file also violates GPL without distributing source code for it. There may be other GPL licensed components too.

http://www.busybox.net/

This is one example where the GPL fails. Let us suppose ZTE build straight from the code publically available at http://git.busybox.net/busybox/. What advantage does it have for anyone for ZTE to provide a tarball of the exact samer code themselves? Even if ZTE directed people to that website they would be in 'violation' because they didn't provide the exact same code themselves..

If you want to attack ZTE for not providing a tarball of the busybox code for you then go and attack LG, Samsung, HTC, Sony Ericsson, Huawei etc etc who distribute devices containing busybox executable without providing the source for your convenience.

[Guest 569]

wbaw you should read the GPL more carefully. If you still don't understand, you can consult a lawyer.

The one who violates the GPL is you (I've already told you), not zte.

[Guest wbaw]

I'd just like to make it clear (again) that I'm not a lawyer & nothing that I've posted should be taken as legal advice. They're just my opinions as a user / zte customer. I'm not going to sue anybody & wouldn't be able to even if I did want to, I just wish that ZTE would release more complete source code faster.

I'm fully aware that my rom also violates GPL, but there isn't a lot that I can do about releasing source code which I don't have. I'm also totally broke, so it's useless trying to sue me. If any copyright holders object to my rom, then I'll take it down as soon as I receive the objection.

It's not just the .35 kernel, the .32 kernel source doesn't contain the latest patch for the new screen in Chinese v880 phones (which were sent worldwide in a recent competition), but the binary kernel in the latest released china unicom update does, the update is available worldwide as a free download from zte's website here. (only for v880s, wont work on blades). TomG added the patch manually, but he shouldn't need to, the source should be complete with all the latest modifications.

@flibblesan I don't really care about busybox personally & there don't seem to be any interesting modifications to that (maybe none at all), so it doesn't matter at all to me. Still, in my opinion these large companies should all respect other people's copyrights as much as they want to protect their own. Unless the md5s match compiled binaries on busybox.net then it's hard to tell what modifications were made, if any. The Busybox developers have also been quite active in enforcing their rights as copyright holders.

Edited August 2, 2011 by wbaw

[Guest hecatae]

Hi,

there are two members in the ZTE Skate forum who have bought Orange Monte Carlos today.

will the kernel source be available for the Skate anytime soon?

[Guest Simon O]

Hi,

there are two members in the ZTE Skate forum who have bought Orange Monte Carlos today.

will the kernel source be available for the Skate anytime soon?

That didn't take long to ask for the code.. bloody vultures :lol:

Edit: you guys did realise it was a joke?

[Guest hecatae]

That didn't take long to ask for the code.. bloody vultures :lol:

if ZTE give a time scale, say 30 days, then nobody will keep requesting it

[Guest t0mm13b]

ZTE Bulletin site has new maintenance message on it for today.... what's taking them so long....? :rolleyes:

[Guest fonix232]

ZTE Bulletin site has new maintenance message on it for today.... what's taking them so long....? :rolleyes:

That message is there since the latest maintenance, and says 13th August. I think they may upload the code that day.

[Guest Simon O]

That message is there since the latest maintenance, and says 13th August. I think they may upload the code that day.

That makes sense since the phone wasn't meant to be available until the end of this week. Bloody Orange retail jumping the gun! :)

[Guest t0mm13b]

That message is there since the latest maintenance, and says 13th August. I think they may upload the code that day.

Bump! :D

Edited August 8, 2011 by t0mm13b

[Guest wbaw]

The Skate is not yet commercially available - once it is officially released please come back to me in the event that the 35 kernel is unreleased and I will certainly flag that issue with ZTE.

It's been on sale for over two weeks now. Did you manage to get a response from ZTE?

[Guest Simon O]

It's been on sale for over two weeks now. Did you manage to get a response from ZTE?

ZTE gave a date of 1st September for the code, according to a post by ZTE_SeanJacko here.

Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:56 PM

Hi all

Been rather a busy week - and people are quite naturally keen to get the source code...

I have stated previously that ZTE will release Gingerbread code on September 1st. With the Monte Carlo on the market, ZTE's software managers are aware that they obliged to provide the relevant code and are aiming to deliver before Sep 1st.

[Guest Taptap1]

I think we should put a little bit of pressure on ZTE :D. The Skate is on sale for almost three weeks and I hope that ZTE is hurrying on publishing the source codes.

I'm up to buy a Galaxy S but don't know if I should wait for the Skate. One important point for me are custom roms and the support from the manufacturer.

And for the community: If you don't make pressure, you will get NO overclocking in Ginger Stir Fry, you will get NO better battery perfomance in CM7, NO smoother scrooling and NOT a more stable CM7.

[Guest Anil K Solanki]

And for the community: If you don't make pressure, you will get NO overclocking in Ginger Stir Fry, you will get NO better battery perfomance in CM7, NO smoother scrooling and NOT a more stable CM7.

Hi Taptap1, I use CM7 and my battery has NEVER died on me with heavy usage before I could get to a charge point. Users cite battery performance like it's the holy grail. Until nuclear powered batteries arrive, current battery technology has to be recharged. Holding out for a ROM that 'may' give days of battery life, when you could simply just plug your phone into a charge point USB or mains, is to be blunt, foolish. If you sincerely need greater battery capacity, buy an external batt pack, or a spare battery, simple.

And as for pressuring ZTE, they have stated clearly their time frame. So why do feel being a nuisance would be;

A. Polite.

B. Achieve anything?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as uncaring or blunt, but I for one am sick to death of a small minority behaving as if manufacturers owe them something right this minute, now god damn it!

This is simply my opinion, everybody is entitled, right?

Anil.

[Guest t0mm13b]

Hi Taptap1, I use CM7 and my battery has NEVER died on me with heavy usage before I could get to a charge point. Users cite battery performance like it's the holy grail. Until nuclear powered batteries arrive, current battery technology has to be recharged. Holding out for a ROM that 'may' give days of battery life, when you could simply just plug your phone into a charge point USB or mains, is to be blunt, foolish. If you sincerely need greater battery capacity, buy an external batt pack, or a spare battery, simple.

And as for pressuring ZTE, they have stated clearly their time frame. So why do feel being a nuisance would be;

A. Polite.

B. Achieve anything?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as uncaring or blunt, but I for one am sick to death of a small minority behaving as if manufacturers owe them something right this minute, now god damn it!

This is simply my opinion, everybody is entitled, right?

Anil.

Well done and well said!

Exactly...

For those of you hounding the ZTE PR dude - LAY OFF HIM!

All he does is delegate messages from the inside out in a way that fits the public image - he would not know jack s**t about kernel, modding etc... quite frankly, that is not part of his job.

So... as the old adage goes

"Patience is a virtue"

My 2cents

B)

P.S: You get my upvote for that! :)

Edited August 26, 2011 by t0mm13b

[Guest r3k1355]

+1 to that, just wait till 1st Sept guys it's not too long.

[Guest Tsip4]

Hi Taptap1, I use CM7 and my battery has NEVER died on me with heavy usage before I could get to a charge point. Users cite battery performance like it's the holy grail. Until nuclear powered batteries arrive, current battery technology has to be recharged. Holding out for a ROM that 'may' give days of battery life, when you could simply just plug your phone into a charge point USB or mains, is to be blunt, foolish. If you sincerely need greater battery capacity, buy an external batt pack, or a spare battery, simple.

And as for pressuring ZTE, they have stated clearly their time frame. So why do feel being a nuisance would be;

A. Polite.

B. Achieve anything?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as uncaring or blunt, but I for one am sick to death of a small minority behaving as if manufacturers owe them something right this minute, now god damn it!

This is simply my opinion, everybody is entitled, right?

Anil.

In general I agree but its not like they are doing as a favour. They are obliged to open source the code. Its against the law giving away compiled version of gpl code without distributing the source code!

[Guest t0mm13b]

In general I agree but its not like they are doing as a favour. They are obliged to open source the code. Its against the law giving away compiled version of gpl code without distributing the source code!

Quite frankly that kind of comment - am sick to death of hearing it.

Since when did you become a lawyer or legal expert - but please do not reply back highlighting various sources/facts/preaching from the pulpit etc etc - we all know the story!

This whiny attitude to "gimme gimme attitude" has to stop right here, right now!

It's not even the 1st of September yet.... and yes I will stick to my guns and say be patient! Nuf said! :P

[Guest Anil K Solanki]

In general I agree but its not like they are doing as a favour. They are obliged to open source the code. Its against the law giving away compiled version of gpl code without distributing the source code!

I understand your frustration. You have a few options

1. Hire a lawyer and take ZTE to court.

2. Write your own kernel.

3. Be patient and wait, they have given a time frame.

4. Keep posting in forums such as these demanding they release source code right now.

Personally I would choose option 3. Zero cost with a definite result.

Anil.

[Guest Cow_007]

skate in uk is monte carlo by orange. orange is obliged to support source code for that not zte since its rebranded phone i think. skate will be released september 1 in rest of world. when that happens zte must give source.

complain at orange for now.

[Guest hecatae]

ZTE gave a date of 1st September for the code, according to a post by ZTE_SeanJacko here.

the countdown begins

[Guest t0mm13b]

Wait is that Beijing are 8 hours ahead of us GMT+0, 7 hours ahead for those GMT+1?

So, right now it's Aug 31st in Beijing, ....

"Bladers, Start your F5 Engines" :P

:lol:

[Guest hedgepigdaniel]

Those of you who are busy flaming the people complaining about the lack of source code:

• You are probably not legal experts either. That doesn't stop you understanding the basics of what's going on. If anyone is a lawyer specialising in the GPL, let us all know.
• If the complains are pointless, your complaints about the complaints are yet more pointless.
• While each post on a forum is a drop in the ocean, companies tend to respond to the requests and complaints of the people that buy their products. If ZTE hear that thousands of people are complaining about it on forums they might do a better job of releasing sources in the future. Not everything useful achieves results in the short term.
• It is counter-productive to be rude, but there are plenty of people here expressing their opinion perfectly politely.

[Guest Paul Shirley]

skate in uk is monte carlo by orange. orange is obliged to support source code for that not zte since its rebranded phone i think. skate will be released september 1 in rest of world. when that happens zte must give source.

complain at orange for now.

Here's a clue: the GPL2 does not specify HOW SOON the source must be made available, simply that it is and for how long (3 years) if not supplied with the binaries.

If you think you can convince a judge that 3 weeks is too long feel free to waste your money pursuing it. You'll probably be told to try again when it hits 3 months.The rest of us will already be playing.

[Guest Anil K Solanki]

Those of you who are busy flaming the people complaining about the lack of source code:

• You are probably not legal experts either. That doesn't stop you understanding the basics of what's going on. If anyone is a lawyer specialising in the GPL, let us all know.
• If the complains are pointless, your complaints about the complaints are yet more pointless.
• While each post on a forum is a drop in the ocean, companies tend to respond to the requests and complaints of the people that buy their products. If ZTE hear that thousands of people are complaining about it on forums they might do a better job of releasing sources in the future. Not everything useful achieves results in the short term.
• It is counter-productive to be rude, but there are plenty of people here expressing their opinion perfectly politely.

hedgepigdaniel I hope you see the irony of your second point? The only people "complaining" are certain ROM modders, others are, simply and politely, pointing out that ZTE have given a time frame for the release of the source code. But that doesn't seem to be good enough. Yet here you are, complaining about people complaing, about people complaining. Priceless.

Your opening statement accusing users of flaming is totally inaccurate, and an exaggeration. Nobody is flaming. Look up the definition for flaming, you will find none of us have been abusive or derogatory.

Your third point. "thousands of people"? How did you arrive at that figure? At most the number of unhappy users doesn't go above double digits. And those people have a vested interest. Which is fine, and understandable. The majority of new ZTE customers don't buy Blades because of ROM's such as Ginger Stir Fry, they buy the handset because it is great value for money. ROM's such as Cyanogen may generate sales, but that's because Cyanogen has a great website and a ROM that get's excellent mainstream press coverage. Few people if any has bought a Blade because of Ginger Stir Fry. They only learn about such ROM's after they enter the modding world, not the other way around as your argument suggests.

Finally, the vast majority of Blade owners never root their handset and Flash custom ROM's. This modding community is strong and vocal, but we don't drive sales. I am however very grateful to the many ROM modder's out there. I have used WBAW's and many others work and I am very grateful. I sincerely hope ZTE release source code soon. This will make many people very happy.

Anil.