Guest muude Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 I tried to install the demo to "Done in 50 Seconds". The result of this was my phone crashing. I removed the battery and rebooted. When it came to the "Enter PIN"-screen, I realized that it had been reset to default. I was wrong. It had made a "semi" hard reset. It had put all settings to default, and re-activated the certification requirement. So it was like a hard reset without deleting anything. Now I'm gonna have to spend a lot of time decerting it and re-installing everything again. Does anyone know WHY it does this by itself? In case anyone wants to know, I have installed the Danish update. I heard of this happening to someone else on the forum, just not why.
Guest James Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Guess what? this happened to me also but my phone was completely standard at the time as i had only had it a week when it happened. I have read somewhere that it has something to do with a series of actions that you do on the phone before turning it off then back on again....i remember the Orange update application had something to do with it....humm!... No i cant think what it was. not much help I’m afraid...
Guest ivanmacx Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 I had something very similar. A semi hard reset, with all settings going back to default, the phone re-certified, but no files deleted. This was after a crash, but I don't know what I was doing at the time (that's quite normal for me). The only thing I could think of to avoid it happening again was to remove all the links from the Startup folder, including coldinit (see other threads). It hasn't happened again, but it could just be coincidence. :?
Guest muude Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 Come to think of it, I probably did have some files in the startup folder... Found out after it had happened... Thought I had deleted them a long time ago...
Guest Thurstan Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 Yeah happened to me on Wednesday - happened after I took off the battery and tried my SIM in another phone. Went back and the same story as you lot are reporting.... so what's this way around of removing files from the startup folder?
Guest DJHope Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 Yep yo boyes be corect! Dang, that smartfone he so smart if he get corrputed he reuilds himself! Translation: "the registry rebuilds itself when it gets corrputed" DJ Hope PS im pretty sure deleting the stuff in the startup folder makes 0 difference, best thing todo is make a backup, then if it happens you can go back :)
Guest muude Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 I did backup my IPSM folder to my comp and then just transferred it back after having de-certed the phone, so it actually wasn't that big a problem... Although I did have to redo my settings.
Guest Thurstan Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 I backed up my ISPM to SD card, then after the self reset tried to reinstall it as per the instructions in the sticky. It said PASSED very quickly, but didn't work at all. Tried several times but then gave up and went through the whole uncert process etc. How do you back up the ISPM to PC, is it simple?
Guest HelloDave Posted February 21, 2003 Report Posted February 21, 2003 How do you back up the ISPM to PC, is it simple? It's simple to back up to a PC if you've got an SD card reader using WinHex trial version, but you have to buy the software if you want to restore anything back to the card!
Guest yatpeak Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 This happened to me a few weeks ago. I doubt it has anything to do with it, but when this happened my phone started randomly turning off. If this happens to you, try a hard reset before you get a new battery, it worked for me. :) Wyatt
Guest muude Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 How do you back up the ISPM to PC, is it simple? Just open a file window and then drop and drag to your desktop. There are a few files that don't like to get copied, but then just select all of the other files (very low-tech I know, but hey.. It worked for me)
Guest Jeeves Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 The same bloody thing happened to me this morning :x I thought somehow orange had found a way to re-lock phones over the air. But then i thought that even if they have, the modaco users will have it unlocked again in about 5 minutes :) i didn't have a backup of the IPSM, so guess its rebuilding from scratch for me ;)
Guest Firaas Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 I thought somehow orange had found a way to re-lock phones over the air. They already have that ability, according to Smartphone 2002 specs. They can force policies upon phones over the air...
Guest Jeeves Posted February 22, 2003 Report Posted February 22, 2003 They can force policies upon phones over the air... :shock: :shock: :shock: so does that mean that anytime they feel like it they can just re-lock all our phones? :lol: If that happened my phone would be in the post back to orange within the hour. im sure many other modaco members would threaten to send it back aswell, and orange would be forced to undo it :) This community is the best thing about owning an SPV ;)
Guest davidh1 Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 ive had the same thing happen to me but it dose it a lot it happens even if my phone dosent crash or if i turn the phone off for a min not even that ive given up now trying ive still got the files stored on my pc so i dont have to edit them again
Guest DJHope Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Yeh but if you backup a DECERTIFIED copy orange swich it backon then you can restore backup to switch off, besides if they keep with a double standards policy to p800 mines going back too! Even if they can do Over the Air policy updates, then removing the stuff from ya startup folder should cure that although we havnt had any reason to believe they would update our policies over the air. DJ Hope
Guest sykix Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 It would not be in their interests to do that. Anyone who decertifies their phone is quite clearly doing it deliberately. Hence, if a virus comes and causes us to rack up £500 bills through GPRS and premium rate numbers, orange cannot be held responsible. This is outlined explicitly in the smatphone SDK, and can be no other way - it makes business sense. Also, it allows the market to grow (a) more independent application developers (:) more smartphone enthusiasts © more time spent on the mobile (d) higher revenues through data access (e) higher revenues through new contracts for spvs In addition to which, it would make many of their customers unhappy (me for one). It isn't possible for them to completely block decertifying, since it is a security hole in the microsoft software, which they don't have control over. Microsoft do however; they could block this hole with an update (e.g. by not allowing any changes to file until it has been read from the rom). Remember that the issue is that they updated the mxip_oem_10.provxml file, probably for consolidation. Since the unlocking was done through this file, it would reset the certification to orange defaults if a registry error occurred (or wherever the security settings are stored).
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