Guest procalli Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 since upgrading I tried the phone connected by usb to my laptop and got a speed of 230kps. It seemed faster than my 128 broadband. Anyone else get this and how much will it cost to use it. Also when does the free gprs run out? Will it be using the gprs connection when using *99# as the dialup number? Thanks
Guest BAMN Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 I dont think that is possible. I was under the impression the fastest you can get out of GPRS is about 42kbps
Guest benny Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 I suspect this is a case of Windows reporting the wrong connection speed - i.e. it sees the serial connection at 230Kbps, however the actual modem - Internet connection is a lot slower than this. B
Guest spacecowboy6982 Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Just remember the GPRS is not exactly "free". 10 MB a week - 50 MB in a month or sumthin??
Guest procalli Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 What I dont understand is why is it near instant when using the laptop to show a full colour page but takes ages to get a wap page using just the phone? Anyway, Ill probably miss gprs now when it reverts to a pay service.
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 10meg/month "officially". That's not set in stone though, i've been using 1.5-2x that with no problems yet, it seems a little random whether you get stung or not...
Guest Firaas Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 The maximum speed you'll get from the SPV on GPRS is 56k.
Guest mike-oh Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 I've used 48MB and not been charged! MWAHAHAHAHA :) ;) :lol:
Guest mikkitobi Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 I FINALLY got this thing to work.... I also get the 230kps message when I connect but it is a very SLOWWWWWW connection in reality. I am still not convinced I am connecting via GPRS. I have set the dialup number to *99# but when I monitor my GPRS All-locations Traffic Counter it does not show ANY traffic whatsoever..... is this a problem with the traffic counter, or am I not connected via GPRS? Confused......
Guest Chic0 Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 I get the same thing. It says 230kbps but it is no way going at that sort of speed. More like 56k i reckon. I am also using the *99# number to dial up but the G symbol does not appear on the phone.Instead I get two arrows that point in oppsoite directions. Not too sure whether it is using the free GPRS or not. Anyone have the answers?
Guest Matt Whitfield Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 The theoretical maximum of GPRS is a lot higher than 56K (something like 115K rings a bell, but maybe the theoretical max is 230K...) but you are unlikely to get that, most wireless people reckon you'll probably get up to around 48K in practice but 56K is certainly possible in ideal conditions. Factors effecting the speed you actually get include your reception (distance from base station/line of site/interference), location (general signal strength in the area), the number of people in the same cell as you (more people using GPRS = less bandwidth for you) and network capacity/utilisation.
Guest Matt Whitfield Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 Yup, I think the two arrows pointing in opposite directions means you're using the phone as a GPRS modem - certainly it did that on my phone when I configured it and dialed up yesterday.
Guest ben1598 Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 The two arrows indicate a data call is in progress but not using GPRS. I used to get them when I dialled up to the internet through an ISP before I setup a GPRS account. I'm sure it is quite a bit slowere than GPRS
Guest sykix Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 Theoretical maximum of GPRS is 115K without compression, 230K with, hence theoretical maximum is 230K (hence port speed, and hence speed which windows quotes). You'll only get this when you're standing next to a pylon becoming infertile and getting brain cancer. I've never known higher than around 45K on other GPRS phones (one on O2, one on Voda, one on singlepoint), in different areas around the country and europe so it's not specific to the SPV on orange. Haven't tested out the SPV with GPRS USB modem but it won't be any different.
Guest XPClone Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 The speed 230kps is the speed in which the ports are talking to each other. When connecting to GPRS you can't get an accurate connection speed because it fluctuates with traffic on the GPRS network. GPRS will connect between 28.8 and 54.3kbps on the Orange network.
Guest Firaas Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 The theoretical maximum of GPRS is a lot higher than 56K (something like 115K rings a bell, but maybe the theoretical max is 230K...) but you are unlikely to get that, most wireless people reckon you'll probably get up to around 48K in practice but 56K is certainly possible in ideal conditions. Just to add: The maximum speed you'll get is also down to the phone/network's setup. You have a bunch of timeslots through which you can exchange data. Orange seem to use Coding Scheme (CS) 3, which means each timeslot receives at 15.6k (theoretically). The SPV uses multi-slot class 8, which means it has four slots open to download, and one to upload. The maximum number of timeslots usable is 8 down and 8 up on multislot classes 18 and 29 (18 is full duplex, so you can download while uploading, while multislot class 29 is half duplex, which means you can only either upload or download at a time). The coding scheme with the highest speed is CS4, which allows 21.4k per timeslot. This combined with multislot class 18 - 8 slots open for download and 8 for upload simulataneously - allows a theoretical maximum of 171.2k for download, and 171.2k for upload. So theoretically you can exchange 342.4k/s. Although you'd probably have to have a battery the size of a car's :)
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 Theres also the fact that the default "max connection speed" in Windows is 230kbps...
Guest Firaas Posted February 26, 2003 Report Posted February 26, 2003 Thought it might be useful to include the following for reference: http://217.155.10.37/gprs.jpg shows the speeds available on different coding schemes. http://217.155.10.37/multislot.xls shows the number of timeslots available in each multislot class. You'll need Excel to open the second file.
Guest spikex Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 It's just like a normal broadband line right? It's a shared connection...thing is Orange dont tell you how many people it's shaired with. GPRS is supposed to be halfway towards 3G remember? So that figure around 256kbps sounds about right....3G will probably start at twice that speed and go upwards...
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