Guest sgilder1 Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 According to MS..... :) http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/smartphone...44&ArtTypeId=21
Guest ClintEastman Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 Can Paul or Gears confirm this?
Guest squall Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 the word screwed just popped into my head, don’t know why...
Guest Emad Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 Well, you wait a while and a better version always comes along - you can't expect the same specs forever.. Also theres the whole price issue - I personally got my SPV for free on OVP O2 100. I doubt the SPVx will be that..
Guest frijj2k Posted February 27, 2003 Report Posted February 27, 2003 But when the SPV came out you could get it on Orange OVP 200 (200 mins anytime to orange or land lines for £25/month + £6 GPRS) or, like I got... free on Orange Your Plan 200 for £30/month with 200 mins, anytime, any network + £6 GPRS. So I bet you will be able to get SPVx for free... I think the SPV looks better though... keys dont bother me personally and the screen is fine. Dave
Guest yatpeak Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 I'm surprised they were able to fit any more ram or CPU speed only a few months after the original SPV. Wyatt
Guest SeaneyC Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Maybe they figured how to get the OMAP chip running at the higher speed without losing stability? Doesn't seem like much of a screw to me, it's almost 6 months old now, bigger and better things on the horizon! ::EDIT:: haha having now read my post, i'm NOT referring to the P800. Made me laugh anyway! :)
Guest wirefree90 Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 The SPVx is has the same Processor and amount of memory as the SPV, the only differences are a new screen and keypad. The MS article is wrong.
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 That is indeed correct... The hardware is identical. P
Guest ClintEastman Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 MS keep getting there specs for the SmartPhones wrong. According to them the SPV runs at 132MHz (still not changed that on there site).
Guest spacemonkey Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 So your suggesting that a throw away one liner in some microsoft puff piece news item is wrong? I find the VERY hard to believe.
Guest spikex Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Maybe the ones that the moderators have got are the test version? Maybe the improved hardware isn't out yet for testing?
Guest DJHope Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Erm...why do you think that a section called "chatter" would know what is going on? HTC are the ones that would have a definative answer, and i think theird tell you that its VERY hard to get more processing power out on a device as small as SPV/Tanger and maintain battery life!
Guest spikex Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Dunno what you mean. "Erm...why do you think that a section called "chatter" would know what is going on?" What are you on about?!!!!? And have HTC said that the new SPV wont/will have new hardware? If they have then please do point me to the link.
Guest DJHope Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Well a section called chatter sounds to me like a "rumors" section hardly an offical place were microsoft make big anouncements! Its a column which indicates to me its full of assumption e.g. "Microsoft and Orange have tweaked and improved the Operating System for improved stability, response and battery life. (That almost sounds like we launched a new racing suspension.)" Aprently microsoft had nothing todo with this update its all HTC and Orange theirs no core WinCE update, the operating system version is identical! DJ Hope
Guest spikex Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 What makes you think that Microsoft didn't work with Orange in tweaking the Smartphone 2002 software? If it wasn't an update to the Smartphone 2002 software then what did the tweak do exactly then? Surely it's the operating system they tweaked to make things run more efficiently (bit like writing new drivers?) and I'm sure Orange know jack-all when it comes to software...otherwise if they're so clever they would of put their own software on the SPV.
Guest DJHope Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 They made very similar alterations to SPV like Florin_m has, this is what i have been led to believe by other areas of the forum! The GSM part of the phone has been causing things such as hangups and calls not getting through + general slowdown. The keylock hangup when txted is an IPSM issue since florin_m sorted that one out so orange could easierly have done the same. The GSM software is maintained by HTC, the MMS software is by a company called EZOS and the picture and sound manager was also created by them, so you tell me what part microsoft has played in this update? Orange have put their own software on the SPV (sort-of) Orange Backup and Orange Update and the company that develop it have NOTHING todo with microsoft neather does the MMS software! Also this "chatter" section is definately someones column and as such their is always room for error!
Guest chloe Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 What GSM Software? The Smartphone 2002 software is owned by Microsoft. HTC manufacture the phones and they probably work together with Orange and Microsoft with the software so that it's compatible with the hardware (no doubt an element of the testing will be done by HTC). And so what if EZOs supply the MMS software. Where did you find out that the Picture and Sound manager was created by them? They're not exactly 'updates' or 'fixes/patches' are they so that doesn't count in this discussion. How do you know Microsoft didn't pay them to make the software anyway? Somebody had to pay EZOS money to make these two new apps. Orange didn't 'sort of' put their own Update and Backup software on their. They got a company called Action to do it. This 'chatter' section is definately someones column (who else? a robot?) but I'm sure they're employed by someone from Microsoft who I'm sure knows his/her stuff. They're not gonn hire an amatuer like you to do it are they? The fixes that we did receive for the SPV software are Smartphone related (what else could they be?) it's to do with battery life and the speed that the menus show, etc. Sooo....tsssssssssssssss.
Guest DJHope Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 Find out something about smartphone before posting i dont sugest you argue with an addict! HTC maintain the GSM part of the rom! Read the backup guide which I created im not as stupid as you might think, their are 4 parts of a smartphone backup GSM, WINCE, BOOTLOADER and IPSM. The GSM drivers and bootloader (accessed when holding down the voice record key whilst turning smartphone on) ARE maintained by HTC. I know this for a fact, so really theirs no point arguing about it. The GSM part of the TI OMAP processor need drivers which are somewhat closer to the hardware than the Operating System (Smartphone 2002) this also gives room for different operating systems to be loaded onto smartphone if someone wanted to use HTC's hardware with something else, you never know you might oneday see a Symbian OS SPV, need an example, people have loaded linux onto the XDA which is also manufactured by HTC. Oh and if your completely clueless as to what GSM is its all the Radio Drivers used to connect us to our beautiful GSM network. I think youll find that the company isnt called "action" its called action engine http://www.actionengine.com/ (if we are going to get petty) Anyway in short, most of the hangups/battery life/speed issues and such are problems which are contained within the GSM drivers maintained by HTC, which was discovered by florin_m when he sugested flashing just the GSM part of the danish update over the original english version (quite a while back). Also Orange paid Action Engine and EZOS, again nothing todo with microsoft. How do i know the picture and sound mamanger is by EZOS well they are called EZPic.exe and EZSound.exe and the picture manager seems to be code that has almost been completely ripped from the MMS software, yes i could be wrong! So tell me again what part microsoft played? Microsoft arnt completely perfect venture onto the microsoft forum (microsoft.public.smartphone) and youll see what i mean, a microsoft employee has been seen asking how to turn the vibrate function on. Just because they work for microsoft dosnt mean they "know their stuff" besides by definiton microsoft are a software company and the original discussion was todo with hardware! DJ Hope PS: dont believe evrything you read microsoft have got it wrong more than once.
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 DJHope is infact correct.... As an example that may help you understand the difference between HTC and Microsoft. Lets say you have a pc and you load microsoft windows on it. Microsoft has written all this code. Then you put a NVidia graphics card in your machine and you load drivers that NVidia has written that allow Microsoft Windows to communicate with NVidia's specific hardware. Well, Nvidia periodically releases new drivers that make your graphics dependant games run faster. Microsoft has no involvemenet in this, NVidia are changing their own code to make the communication of Microsoft Windows with the NVidia hardware more efficient. Smartphone is just the same. Microsoft releases a operating system to hardware vendors such as HTC, now Microsoft don't have the time or resources to make this operating system work with all the hardware out there, so it is HTC's responsability to write drivers that allow Smartphone 2002 to communicate to all the HTC hardware in the SPV. It is these HTC drivers that have been changed in the upgrade. Additionally some products such as the MMS tool are not microsoft tools. The operating system provides a platform with network functions, it doesn't provide every tool that may want to use those functions. So Orange got actionengine to write a MMS application that would run on Smartphone 2002. This application was also updated in the update. (really it's just like everything else, if you got a better version of Hexacto slurp, microsoft wouldn't need to be involved with that). So in summary I'm just rambling.... but DJHope is right.
Guest spikex Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 DJHope is infact correct.... As an example that may help you understand the difference between HTC and Microsoft. Lets say you have a pc and you load microsoft windows on it. Microsoft has written all this code. Then you put a NVidia graphics card in your machine and you load drivers that NVidia has written that allow Microsoft Windows to communicate with NVidia's specific hardware. Well, Nvidia periodically releases new drivers that make your graphics dependant games run faster. Microsoft has no involvemenet in this, NVidia are changing their own code to make the communication of Microsoft Windows with the NVidia hardware more efficient. Smartphone is just the same. Microsoft releases a operating system to hardware vendors such as HTC, now Microsoft don't have the time or resources to make this operating system work with all the hardware out there, so it is HTC's responsability to write drivers that allow Smartphone 2002 to communicate to all the HTC hardware in the SPV. It is these HTC drivers that have been changed in the upgrade. Additionally some products such as the MMS tool are not microsoft tools. The operating system provides a platform with network functions, it doesn't provide every tool that may want to use those functions. So Orange got actionengine to write a MMS application that would run on Smartphone 2002. This application was also updated in the update. (really it's just like everything else, if you got a better version of Hexacto slurp, microsoft wouldn't need to be involved with that). So in summary I'm just rambling.... but DJHope is right. I thought EZOS made the MMS Tool? And Microsoft do have some involvement in NVIDIA writing drivers since NVIDIA will have to pay Microsoft fees to get NVIDIA products and Drivers to be WHQL tested and labelled. This is where Microsoft give the NVIDIA products and drivers a thorough testing on their operating system to make sure that they do work as they should and it's also supposed to make customers more confident in buying something if it had that sticker on it.
Guest spikex Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 So what you're saying DJHope is that the thing you call the GSM is essentially a BIOS. You coulda said that instead? Might of made it easier to explain.
Guest spikex Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 HTC maintain the GSM part of the rom! Read the backup guide which I created im not as stupid as you might think, their are 4 parts of a smartphone backup GSM, WINCE, BOOTLOADER and IPSM. The GSM drivers and bootloader (accessed when holding down the voice record key whilst turning smartphone on) ARE maintained by HTC. I know this for a fact, so really theirs no point arguing about it. The GSM part of the TI OMAP processor need drivers which are somewhat closer to the hardware than the Operating System (Smartphone 2002) this also gives room for different operating systems to be loaded onto smartphone if someone wanted to use HTC's hardware with something else, you never know you might oneday see a Symbian OS SPV, need an example, people have loaded linux onto the XDA which is also manufactured by HTC. Anyway in short, most of the hangups/battery life/speed issues and such are problems which are contained within the GSM drivers maintained by HTC, which was discovered by florin_m when he sugested flashing just the GSM part of the danish update over the original english version (quite a while back). Also Orange paid Action Engine and EZOS, again nothing todo with microsoft. How do i know the picture and sound mamanger is by EZOS well they are called EZPic.exe and EZSound.exe and the picture manager seems to be code that has almost been completely ripped from the MMS software, yes i could be wrong! So tell me again what part microsoft played? Microsoft arnt completely perfect venture onto the microsoft forum (microsoft.public.smartphone) and youll see what i mean, a microsoft employee has been seen asking how to turn the vibrate function on. Just because they work for microsoft dosnt mean they "know their stuff" besides by definiton microsoft are a software company and the original discussion was todo with hardware! DJ Hope PS: dont believe evrything you read microsoft have got it wrong more than once. I'm sure they didn't just hire anyone from Microsoft to write that column. After all what would someone who works as a janitor know about mobile phones? Yet he still works for Microsoft, right? And why should anyone believe anything that people write in this forum? I'm sure some people lie, are confused, get their facts wrong, mis-read or mis-heard things, at least once before....so why not trust that that multi-billion dollar corporation that they have written something right? After all what do they have to gain from saying the new SPV is going to have better hardware? Apart from more sales/money from software...which they dont need.
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 Because they have posted incorrect information more than once. To finish the who's right and who's wrong as it's getting nowhere fast. let's just see what the phone's specs are when it finaly gets released :) Remeber the SPV was quoted as having a 32 MB SD card on release as well as voice dial etc etc.
Guest Firaas Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 But when the SPV came out you could get it on Orange OVP 200 (200 mins anytime to orange or land lines for £25/month + £6 GPRS) or, like I got... free on Orange Your Plan 200 for £30/month with 200 mins, anytime, any network + £6 GPRS. So I bet you will be able to get SPVx for free... Not on the same tariffs. The SPVx is to be released in around 4-6 weeks, by which time it'll be April. On April 1st, phone subsidy will decrease by around £40 a phone - meaning we'll be paying around £40 a phone more. See my topic here regarding this.
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