Guest meaks Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 Not only Arnold comes from Austria, but also High-End Mobile Technology. Tel.Me introduced at the CeBit 2003 their new line of Multi-Media Phones T919i and T918. The T919i is a tri-band all-in-one multimedia phone with built in digital camera and SD and MMC Memory Card Slots. The phone can play back MP3 and also store images and videos directly onto the SM or MMC cards. It is also the World's first Phone that can use MP3 files as Ring Tones. Besides that it features PDA functions, messaging functions and more. The phone will be on the market this Summer. Press Release : Press ReleasetelmeT919.jpg
Guest Vector Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 COOL, does it use MS Smartphone software (haven't got adobe):?:
Guest meaks Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 Ive looked through the press release but it doesnt seem to state which operating system its using. Although It probably does - my german is rubbish! Still looks quite tasty what ever its using - touch screen, java, an mpeg4 video camcorder and 270 hours standby! Going on sale for 599 euros
Guest Vector Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 Be interesting to see the size of it :roll:
Guest midnight Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 http://www.pressetext.com/pte.mc?pte=030306035 :) )
Guest midnight Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 it doesnt, but i seriously doubt it, microsoft siad they had no plans to change the op system to work for touchscreen
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 Hmm true. It'll be alright here for now i guess, its SmartPhone-esque :)
Guest okocha10 Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 i think the looks r rubbish,rubbery! +i am using bits of WAV files as ringtones(like every1 else prob is),which is basically mp3 but better quality.
Guest Vector Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 I see what you mean. It's a bit toyish (if you see what i mean)
Guest The Futures Bright Posted March 9, 2003 Report Posted March 9, 2003 Hmm i can't seem to make out the Fisher Price logo, but i'm sure it's there somewhere. :)
Guest casper508 Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 Been discussed before as well. http://www.modaco.com/viewtopic...1&highlight=tel Its based around a proprietary OS rather than Symbian or SmartPhone. Cheers Cas
Guest aiwapro Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 That's a good point someone brought up. Why would we want MP3's as ringtones, when we can have wav files, which are better quality. You may want to argue space, but when you have a SD or MMC card, then it doesn't matter.
Guest simonastro Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 when you are playing wav files at 8bit 11khz in mono through a tiny, tinny speaker the quality is irrelevant! bring on the mp3s !! (audiophile)
Guest aiwapro Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 Why play them at such a low frequency. I use 8 bit 32khz stereo on my SpV without a problem, and you know that headset that came with the spv, it has to ear buds, and is marked 'L' and 'R' for a reason (strereo).
Guest fraser Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 Ringtones should be mono 8bit because anything else takes up more space and is a waste. Remember, the ringtones will normally be coming out of the speaker. Hardly hi-fi! I wouldn't argue that wavs are better quality either. To get them to a reasonable size, you either need some form of compression (not available for wav in the SPV, it only supports uncompressed PCM format) or reduce the sampling rate and/or sampling frequency. A half meg mp3 file will sound infinitely better than a half meg wav file of the same length. If file size is not an issue, then wav is better. But life is all about getting the right balance. mp3 ringtones for the spv shouldn't be that far away. All that is required is patching of the command that is run to play the ring tones. MS would likely use wma files instead of mp3 anyway. Normally I shy away from proprietry formats like Windows Media Audio/Video, but for a mobile device it's acceptable, especially with the improvent of sound quality for similar kilobytes/sec settings. You don't need interoperability really, the downsampled files you make for your SPV are hardly of redistribution quality!
Guest modfather Posted March 10, 2003 Report Posted March 10, 2003 ericsson p800 has mp3 ringtones... well mine certainly does! aint the "first" to me... bit of a risky thing saying first.... out, modfather
Guest aiwapro Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Ringtones should be mono 8bit because anything else takes up more space and is a waste. Remember, the ringtones will normally be coming out of the speaker. Hardly hi-fi! I wouldn't argue that wavs are better quality either. To get them to a reasonable size, you either need some form of compression (not available for wav in the SPV, it only supports uncompressed PCM format) or reduce the sampling rate and/or sampling frequency. A half meg mp3 file will sound infinitely better than a half meg wav file of the same length. If file size is not an issue, then wav is better. But life is all about getting the right balance. mp3 ringtones for the spv shouldn't be that far away. All that is required is patching of the command that is run to play the ring tones. MS would likely use wma files instead of mp3 anyway. Normally I shy away from proprietry formats like Windows Media Audio/Video, but for a mobile device it's acceptable, especially with the improvent of sound quality for similar kilobytes/sec settings. You don't need interoperability really, the downsampled files you make for your SPV are hardly of redistribution quality! ...But why compress a wav ringtones when you have MMC & SD Cards? My wav ringtones are around 1.5-2MB and are at 8 bit 32kHz stereo; They play very high in quality, just like CD. I have a 256 MB Card, and there are 512MB cards available too, with 1 GB to come soon, so tell me again why you want to compress your files. Also, what makes you think you have to have all of your ringtones on your phone at the same time. I have 3 on my phone now, but have created several and put them in a folder on my computer that I created called 'My SPV.' Then, whenever I want to switch, I can drag & drop or copy paste them from phone to the computer/vice-versa. My SD Card will hold several of course, but I just don't want it to, as I am using that other space for mostly music and programs.
Guest fraser Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Well, not everyone will have large SD cards. And storing ringtones on these cards necessitates hacking the registry and therefore you need to have de-certed phone. By compressing, you can have more. If the quality of compression is suitable for your needs, then fine. I don't rate the SPVs audio performance at all. The internal speaker sounds very poor and is mono. Having good quality ringtones is a waste of space that could be used for other things like games, videos and other applications. That's a pretty good reason to compress. But if you don't want to, no one is forcing you to. By the way, an 8 bit 32kHz stereo clip is not going to sound as good as a 192 kbit/sec 16-bit 44kHz mp3 file. And the mp3 file takes up less space.
Guest HelloDave Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Then, whenever I want to switch, I can drag & drop or copy paste them from phone to the computer/vice-versa. My SD Card will hold several of course, but I just don't want it to, as I am using that other space for mostly music and programs.Which contradicts your entire point! If you compressed these tones then you could fit them all on your SD card with no noticeable loss in quality. My wav ringtones are around 1.5-2MB and are at 8 bit 32kHz stereo; They play very high in quality, just like CD That's a big file for a ringtone! Remember that the SPV has to load these tones before it rings which introduces a delay, and loading 1-2mb will take a while; if it works anything like Windows Sound Recorder it has to load the entire wav before it plays it too. I can't see how you can compare the SPV's audio with proper CD audio either - it's pure sh*te TBH; you won't notice any difference between a 2mb wav and a 200K MP3 even with the headset never mind the speaker! The audio capabilities of the SPV aren't great; a good quality source file doesn't make much difference because the circuitry between the digital audio in the phone and the output to the speaker/headset is poor (fair enough for the internal speaker, but they could have made the headphone output a bit better). Slightly OT, but it always amuses me when people buy a mini system with "mega super pro bass" and "301 band graphical digital super EQ" becuase it's "better", ignoring the fact that the CD player in it will be pretty cr*p becuase all the money's gone into the 117 flashing lights. No amount of tone controls in the world can make a system with a bad sound source better; these things are sold purely on consumer misconceptions of what makes a "good" sound system (unless you like flashing lights). Seperates all the way for me! :)
Guest fraser Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Oops, crossed posters HelloDave. I was pro-compression!! You quoted the wrong person, preaching to the choir man! I've gotta agree on the sound quality of the SPV as being shite. I've been meaning to load some good quality mp3s onto it, such as the r3mix encoding preset, or some high bitrates. I was curious to see if the decompressor was poor, but from your post my initial assumption seems correct; i.e. the amp sucks. I was also wanting to try out new headphones. It's a pity, because I really don't enjoy listening to music on it. The high-end is washed out, whenever it's not non-existent! Ditto on the flashy lights systems, I've had separates since I was 16. Much better. I sometimes have to bite my tongue when friends show me their mega super pro bass systems! ;-)
Guest HelloDave Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Oops, crossed posters HelloDave. I was pro-compression!! You quoted the wrong person, preaching to the choir man! I'm confused now - I was quoting aiwapro both times, who I'm assuming is against compression. Am I missing something? :? Preaching to the converted wasn't my intention! New headphones don't make much of a difference on the SPV, apart from not falling out of your ears every few seconds - the sound is still very splashy with no low end especially when you turn it up. Having said that I still love listening to mp3's on my SPV becuase it's that or nothing; I can't really justify an mp3 player and my Discman is too big to carry around unless i'm on a long journey. Bizarrely my new Sony Discman sounds worse than my old Panasonic one which cost me about £30 less, although it's still not bad! I can forgive it for being smaller and having a remote control, rechargeable batteries and anti shock though!
Guest aiwapro Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 You're mixing it up. I was solely talking about wav ringtones, since ringtones is the title of this thread. If you want to talk about music (songs), then of course MP3 is best, because it's less space, and good quality. Yes, MP3 is better when it comes to space, but who's gonna have hundreds of ringtones all on your phone at once. I don't care if I have 1-2MB ringtones on my phone; I don't have a thousand of those 1.5-2MB tones, just 3, so I'm not worried about space.
Guest HelloDave Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Ok, i'll try and get this straight before we all go totally OT. My points were - - You might as well compress ringtones since it doesn't affect their quality - The SPV's headphones are crap! I simply mentioned music while talking about the overall sound quality of the SPV, referring to fraser's post about listening to tunes with the headphones. My original post was referring to ringtones! Obviously you're going to compress music on the SPV, unless you're nuts and enjoy spending stupid amounts of money on giant SD cards! :)
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