£29 to have your SPV unlocked and decertified? BARGAIN!

[Guest omar_g]

Some people will try anything to make money (and you can bet some muppet wil pay for their services):

£29 SPV Unlocking

[Guest Syvwlch]

Unfortunately happens all the time.

Some fixes were discussed in the following thread : http://www.modaco.com/viewtopic...ght=ebay+unlock

I *think* that was the definitive one.

Edit : I searched for all terms : "unlock" and "ebay"

That's IF you want to take action.

[Guest TSCRYPTO]

What a joke, eh?

:x

Schmuppet!

[Guest Shaks]

Some muppet asked me if I wanted my SPV unlocking on to all networks last week. He said he could now do it for £15. Told him to get lost as I could do it easily myself and had done so for a couple of friends already. Haven't dont mine yet as I don't use any other sim apart from orange. Got my unblocking code though.

[Guest vadonald]

Ebay seller has just been reported, for infringing copyright (twice)..

Vinny

[Guest SirGaz]

I'm not saying that what these guys do is a good thing cos as far as I'm concerned they are all major muppets, but you can't get done for copyright as the original material is not copyrighted. The best you can do is report them for charging for a service that is free and that someone else has spent time and effort to produce.

Still shouldn't be allowed to do what they do though.

[Guest mattat]

Technically the information has been copyrighted - you do not need to have any special procedure for copyright to arise - the problem is more that there is a very wide consent for use implied by publishing the contents to the world unconditionally. (I think)

Matt

[Guest fraser]

Why the hell not? If someone is too lazy to go looking for themselves, then it's their problem. "A fool and his money are easilly parted".

There are lot's of services you can get for free, if you know where to go or look. Especially in the motor trade, where not knowing the ins-&-outs of it is costly. Fair play to you for reporting the guy to the e-bay admins, but to imply that "it shouldn't be allowed" is a bit steep.

[Guest SirGaz]

I haven't downloaded the software necessary to crack the SIM lock (only use Orange SIM) so I don't know about that, but decertification is a process that has been posted on this and many other forums uncopyrighted (i.e. no copyright instructions or symbol). The SIM unlock software may have copyright instructions but they are simply using the software, not distributing it to others, hence they are not breaching copyright law.

And Fraser, how would you feel if someone was making a lot of money from something you thought of? You mention the motor trade and you are quite right that a lot of info is out there, we just don't look or don't know where to look. But with that particular industry it doesn't matter about knowledge, it's all about confidence to do it and get your hands dirty. With the smartphone the decert process is simple (ok the timing can be a pain but it is straight forward) and the sim unlock seems simple as well.

If the guys selling on ebay had asked permission to sell their trade then fair dos to them. But I suspect they didn't.

[Guest Syvwlch]

If someone is too lazy to go looking for themselves, then it's their problem. "A fool and his money are easilly parted".

Come, come.

Yes, if the buyer KNOWS he could do it himself for free, but decides he'd rather pay to have it done by someone else.

No, if he believes this is the only way.

[Guest mattat]

SirGaz, I agree with you - I think there is no breach of copyright - I was just being a nitpicking law student and pointing out that technically there is copyright even in the decertification process instructions (not the process but the instructions) but that by publishing in a public forum with no terms and conditions that there is a wide permission to use - though it is all implied. I suppose it could be argued that when we post information on this board we do so on the condition that what we write will not be taken and sold - but this would only extend to more or less the precise wording that we used.

OK I'm done boring everyone now.

[Guest spacemonkey]

Well, additionally with something like the de-cert process, when it was figured out it was from a lot of seperate individuals figuring bits and pieces out. It would be very hard to attribute the original discovery to any one person/forum and as such very hard to determine the copyright.

Besides, the people on ebay aren't selling this (potentially) copyrighted information. They know this information themselves and are selling a service of applying it. The customer will at no stage be given any information on how the process was achieved.

[Guest fraser]

how would you feel if someone was making a lot of money from something you thought of?

I'd be happy about it. Honestly. Not everyone is motivated by personal greed.

it's all about confidence to do it and get your hands dirty.

Ditto any technology, SmartPhone de-cert included. I'm always helping friends of friends and family members to do the most basic things on computers, such as defrags and hardware installation. IT and mechanics share a lot of themes here. If you go to Halfords, you will pay through the nose, same for PC World. If you need a repair, a large company will push for "replace replace replace" while a smaller shop will try to fix the problem.

No, if he believes this is the only way.

Again, I like your motives and thoughts here, but I can't agree with that. If someone falsely believes something, then it's their problem. As I mentioned in my first post, there are lots of things you might pay for that if you knew better you wouldn't. "Credit fixing agencies" and many other organisations rely on the fact that their consumers don't know that you can do it all yourself for a fraction of the cost.

Some personal examples...last year I had to replace my car battery, so went to Halfords first as it was a Sunday. They wanted £55 quid for the battery, plus some more for the fitting. I had one fitted the next day by a local garage for £35.

Or when I was chipping a friends DVD player, we almost sent £50 of to a guy who said that the modification was to complex to sell in a kit form. Well, turns out that "the kit" was basically a wire bridging two points, and it was a rip of, he lied about the complexity to try and make a sale. Fortunately, we discovered this before parting with cash, and the player was "chipped" for free 10 mins later.

The morals of these stories? Shop around. Everyone wants your money, and if you are going to give it to the first person that you speak to, then it's your problem. I question the sanity of anyone whoever buys any double glazing or credit cards that are offered via junk mail or cold calling. You can always do better if you can be bothered just trying.

[Guest Syvwlch]

*whinge*

Well... ok. I live by your rules, in those domains that I can get my brains or hands around. I agree they are good, sanitary rules (beyond the purely financial aspects).

I still get an occasional twinge of righteous indignation when I see something like this going on, tho. We write laws to protect people from this form of exploitation all the time, we pay to educate them, and so on, and so on.

But in the end, you're right. There are still some suckers out there who don't wake up to the cold metal of the shears fleecing them, and what are you gonna do? Hell, the best way to learn is to get fleeced a couple times, isn't it?

I'll readily admit I can't work up the enthusiasm to go hassle the guys selling this unlock service on eBay. Not worth my time... but if someone who's just discovered the scam wants to do something, and this causes a couple of suckers to become MoDaCo newbies, do it themselves, and wake up to reality....

I'll cheer them on. If only cuz I'm a romantic at heart.

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Ebay seller has just been reported, for infringing copyright (twice)..

Vinny

What you do is contact customer sevices and send in a complaint under

"questionable content" The information being sold is freely available

than explain why and how and give them a link to check it out.

If every one who see these sellers complianed I'm sure we could stamp them out of we could fund a free unlock and decert auction on ebay.

have it permanantly there.

Also another way is for everyone to mass email the seller and call him scum.

not that I'm suggesting you do :)

Not everyone knows about this site and it annoys me that scum (the only word for them)

take good money from individuals for info that is freely available here.

[Guest Vector]

Well said awarner, it's really irritating that someone could would do that kind of thing :evil: .

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

I can't give you a link as you need to login but this is the wording you should see if you are in the relevent part of the site.

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it's the relevent part to put the complaint in to cutomer services as finding the

right part can be a real pain sorry ;).

When you do find the right place please save this in your favorites as you will be needing it soon :)

This is war :evil:

[Guest Vector]

(Awarner evolves into George bush)

:wink: :wink:

[Guest fraser]

Nah, if he were George Bush, he would have his own competing franchise to support, who also do the exact same s*** but get away with it because they are on the side of his financial backers and bought loads of weapon from them... :)

Then you would look back in history and find that Awarner Sr was the guy who set the bad guy up in the first place!! :twisted:

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Just looking out for my fellow SPV'ers :)

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

I have just received a message from said seller looks like I hit a nerve

Bad day was it, or did your parents reject you as a child?

To be fair you're not the only one to comment "ahem", however I have Clearly stated that Im not doing anything that can't be done by anyone themselves in the ebay add! Theres no mystery or secret just a straight forward deal. As it happens I've had 5 enquiries and 3 devices have arrived for unlocking.

It seems that some people aren’t as clever as you and require assistance. The prices reflects the time taken and the risks of something going wrong, if I were to blow up someone's PDA then I would be out of pocket! Would I not??  

Anyway I hope you realise that I am not "scum" and think a little before getting in a rant over what is actually a very honest and upfront auction add!

Regards

Jonathan Davey  

Development Team

The guys name is Jonathan Davey he is a director (according to his contact details) of Ardent Services Ltd the company who has the auction.

"It seems that some people aren’t as clever as you and require assistance" yes they come here where I was taught everything I know instead of paying £29.

Sorry Jon but you do not need to be clever to do the decert, just be lucky with timing and read the posts here :)

Also "The prices reflects the time taken and the risks of something going wrong"

Does not take too long if you are used to doing it and risks? only if you have been very unlucky more so with the newer updates.

At least we now have view from both sides ;)

[Guest Syvwlch]

Is what he says true? How explicit is he in his auction that this is something you could do yourself?

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Here is the auction for you to read

It is quite legal for you to unlock your SPV phone or XDA. There are newsgroups on how this can be done, but it does take a fair amount of knowledge and custom leads etc We can unlock your sim locked XDA or SPV. We can also unlock the driver signing requirement for the SPV so that you can download and run a whole host of new applications which are not yet certified. The unlocking procedure is quite legal and does not invalidate any existing warranties. You will be able to use any sim on the UK network. Some unlocking methods do not work after you reset your device or remove the battery etc, this is not the case with our method, which continues to work. Prices as follows: SPV sim unlock: £29 XDA sim unlock: £29 SPV driver signing disablement: £29.00 Please note these prices include insured next day "Special Delivery" any problems during tansport will be handled by us, we do carry spare devices in case of any loss whilst awaiting Royal Mail payment etc. Ok, so thats that. Regards  

[Guest Syvwlch]

Custom leads, eh? :x

Cast him down to the deepest pits of hell, O Moderator!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Guest Arisme]

I understand that some people may be tempted to charge others for the decert thing, as it's not really straightforward if you don't get the right timing ... but charging for the delock is not acceptable :evil: