Guest 15 yr old Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 What r those 3 phone about?? is 3 a new network?? some one plz help me out! much appreciated.
Guest Firaas Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 What r those 3 phone about?? is 3 a new network?? some one plz help me out! much appreciated. "Three" is a new network, utilising a brand new technology called "3G" - third generation. 3G is the latest technology in the mobile scene which allows high bandwith transfer, and thus allows you to make video calls. 3G licenses were auctioned off to all mobile operators, plus one new one - which Three won. Orange are due to launch an equivalent service at some point in the future, but the Orange bloke at the Modaco meet was very reluctant to release any info on it, although he did say they had a date ready. The main two problems with 3G phones are that you can't surf the normal internet, and since there's only three handsets, none of them have "everything" as such - as the MS guy said, some of them have video messages and picture messages whilst others have video calling. As Three have shown, the great thing about 3G is that phone and text bundles cost peanuts.
Guest 15 yr old Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 ok, have u tried the video calling function?
Guest Firaas Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 ok, have u tried the video calling function? Sorry mate I've no experience with 3G! One of the guys at the meet had the NEC 3G phone - did anyone get to play with it?
Guest fraser Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 It's also expensive, painfully slow compared to WiFi, costs you money to use at home and (in my, and many others opinions) destined to flop. They will be drip-feeding the features in over the next year or so. Very bad idea, the early adopters that are essential for any new technology are not into this at all. Who are the early adopters? Us. We bought SmartPhones and Symbians. For the functionality. 3G is a step back from what we have now. On the other hand, there is WiFi. Much much faster, only problem is the coverage. There will be a few metro based services starting over the next few years, which you'll be able to subscribe to, giving you high-speed access in many places. GPRS is fine for all other times. Set up an access point at home, free high-speed internet to your phone. Personally, I think a WiFi capable 2.5G phone (what we have now) will piss all over 3G, especially in the business market, where WiFi has exploded.
Guest Firaas Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 It's also expensive I disagree. The phones may be expensive, but they're not subsidised. Look at the standard tariff - it's one of, if not the best value tariff around in Britain; the tariff's pricing kicks Orange's ass, AND include video events. The only downside is the fact that they're aimed at high usage users - this should be cured when they release a range of tariffs in June. By the way, Three only allows video messages/calling in very limited areas of the country. Outside those areas, O2 provides Three with voice and texting services. (This agreement gives O2 a huge advantage over becoming the next 3G operator.)
Guest 15 yr old Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 This 3 buisness seems a good piece of kit. but.... not a lot of people will get it. and it all seems very expensive. i havent even seen someone with a three phone yet.....
Guest Firaas Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 This 3 buisness seems a good piece of kit. but.... not a lot of people will get it. and it all seems very expensive. i havent even seen someone with a three phone yet..... It's not really taken off as well as they hoped originally. Problem is that the whole Three company is based around this single brand new idea, which people are very sceptical about. Their adverts have been effective - what they don't realise is that most people aren't willing to spend £60/month reglardless of the "coolness" of the service. They've done the promoting right, but the marketing guys need to look at their pricing very quickly, or people will take one glance, and never look again.
Guest 15 yr old Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 that advert when the man is telling his friend that he is going out with his sister is class! ha ha!!what phone manufactures are supporting three? i de certified my phone the other day,are there any must haves??
Guest vijay555 Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 I had a play with the 3g phone at the meet. Can't remember who's it was, but he had it on trial. Needs 2 batteries, and even then only lasts 12hrs. Phones are still quite heavy, but as they boost antenna distribution they should get smaller. Some nice technology in there, but no style really. And i'd think that they'd have to offer some real killer app to get network off the ground, but instead they seem to be stifling it with limited features and still quite expensive phones. I agree that wifi enabled 2.5 would be great, flat rate gprs likewise, but the 3g tariff itself is not bad when compared to 2g like for like for high end users. i'm paying more on T-mobile OVP. Bloke in orange shop said that orange won't ovp 3 yet, but apparentely orange is introducing 3g over the next year (although for someone STILL waiting for tanager, i guess we'll be using 3g sometime in Y3k!) V
Guest fixit Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 I had a quick play with some of the handsets in the 3 shop on Oxford Street. Wasn't impressed, although if they'd had any manuals or technical people wandering round I might have had more joy. On the one particular clamshell phone I looked at, the interface was slow and clunky, the handset was heavy, it took ages to dial up for some indifferent streamed news footage and was generally not too impressive. Formative technology, far more so than the SPV was when it came out. There's some interesting ideas and it's a step towards improving on the bandwidth of GPRS, but I'll leave it for a bit methinks. And I'm a known early adopter, never thought I'd say such a sensible thing.... The reason they're quite pricey and aimed at high usage customers is because the operators spent a fortune on buying the 3G licenses, no?
Guest Firaas Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 Bloke in orange shop said that orange won't ovp 3 yet, but apparentely orange is introducing 3g over the next year (although for someone STILL waiting for tanager, i guess we'll be using 3g sometime in Y3k!) I asked the Orange bloke at the meet, and he did seem very reluctant to release any information - not even whether we'd see it within the next two years, so I don't think there's a firm release schedule which Orange expects to stick to.
Guest skimask Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 I had a play with the motorola 3 g phone at work, didn't rate it at all. must admit tho, the tariffs, when compared to similar business GSM ones, are very competitive. Just a glance at one of their coverage maps is enough to put you off buying one yet.
Guest midnight Posted April 16, 2003 Report Posted April 16, 2003 yeh, thats the problem, they are 3g, and as such, are quicker for data sending etc......BUT, if you are out of 3G range, it automatically switches to gprs. to be honest, yes, i agree above, it is kind of destined to flop in the UK unless something is done, and quick. the lack of take-up and, actually, the dawn of 2.5g hasnt helped at all. the handsets at the moment to be honest are nasty, heavy, big, and bad battery life (even if you consider the low battery life of the spv), but still, it is new technology, and given time(and money) to develop, it could be huge. Shame they dont have a decent os either at the moment. only time will tell, but for now, i wouldnt touch one.
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Also the video call, nice feature but unless all you friends have the capabilities it's a complete waste of time.
Guest Rob.P Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 ...but unless all you friends have the capabilities it's a complete waste of time. Tell me about it, it's only recently that some of my friends have started getting photo messaging phones, at last some real usage for it. I think all the other license holders are gonna wait to see how 3 does, if it fails or succeeds it's still gonna provide pointers to the other networks, who must be sh!tting themselves, one cock-up and all the money is wasted, that's one huge write-off none of them can afford. Just imagine them all getting hit hard and 3G failing, I rekon the Governemnt would have to step in just to keep a mobile network in the UK.
Guest Firaas Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Also the video call, nice feature but unless all you friends have the capabilities it's a complete waste of time. Someone has to start first, might as well be the one with the most advanced phones ever ;)
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 That's my point it's the ol chicken and egg syndrome again.
Guest Soyale Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Now let me start by saying I have been a big knocker of 3G and particularly the Three offering. The one thing in Three's favour however is that they do have content. This puts them ahead of Orange and the other networks who can't yet (easily) get rich content to your phone. If you look at my data usage I mainly download eMail and read news when I'm, on the move. A video clip of a news story is actually quite an enhancement over text and a picture. As a big football fan having the highlights at 6pm rather than waiting until 10.30 is also quite a bonus. As Firaas mentions the calling plan seems quite expensive but it's only marginally more than what I pay now but will comfortably cover my usage. Video calling : That's another matter. Don't get me started! I need to try it out before I'm convinced but the rarity of use of video conferencing in business environments suggests to me that it won't catch on. But then they said that about TV. NOTE: If anyone who can remember who made the famous "TV it'll never catch on" style quote, I'd appreciate a reminder because it's driving me crazy!
Guest Mr B Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 As I understand it 3 won't allow unrestricted (i.e. non designated sites) internet access for at least a year yet. For me, that would be the biggest advantage ... but it looks like they won't for a while. I think, for the moment at least, I'll stick with the smartphone ... now if the SPV had 3g, that would be a completely different matter!
Guest 15 yr old Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Theres no point getting a 3g phone if your the only one who has one! What are you gonna do? video call yourself! i do like the football highlights feature though.
Guest fraser Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Exactly. As I'll reiterate, currently 3G is a step backwards. Early adopters want gadgets. They don't want to drop functionality for any reason. The only way 3G will work is if they develop a "killer app". The "killer apps" for the internet were e-mail and web. 3G doesn't have anything new.
Guest 15 yr old Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 What are the specifications of 3g phones anyone? it seems a facinating piece of kit.
Guest Rob.P Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Theres no point getting a 3g phone if your the only one who has one! What are you gonna do? video call yourself! i do like the football highlights feature though. Your lucky you can find a use for it, I'm not keen on footie so still no application for me, the missus would love it though.
Guest lucky Posted April 17, 2003 Report Posted April 17, 2003 Im surprised at you guys/gals i think you are all missing the point. I dont know if you had the same debate in europe over analogue versus digital as we did in australia, but i remember very simliar comments being made about that. I dont see any body using analogue now. Early adopters always get dubious value for money, both on features and reliability. Lets face it in a couple of years teens will be laughing at us when we say why do you need a phone that you can make video calls on. Just like I did to my parents when they asked me why I couldnt wait and call someone when i reached a phone. The world was fine without mobile phones. Why have video because we can!, why the hell not have it? The thing with 3g(cdma2000 or whatever it is) is that it has the potential to increase features beyond the scope of the current gsm networks. Are 3 going to be a success i doubt it. The handsets are first gen and are by gsm standards bulky and expensive. But i am sure 3g will replace gsm, whether they claim it is 2g or 2.5g The speed limit is 70mph I still have a car that can do 145mph
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