Guest Pagemakers Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Mr Orange, Please will you answer my simple question.... Why is the SPV cert-locked and neither the P800 or any other phone capable of user-programming in your range also locked?
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Because we can. What are you gonna do, get a smartphone 2002 device from the opposition? MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Guest yatpeak Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 They say it's for protection against viruses etc., but is this really what their up to...? Wyatt
Guest Pagemakers Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 But why not virus protect the P800? Orange - please can we have an official answer.
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Orange - please can we have an official answer. I think you have more chance of taking a piss on the Moon.... (if i had the chance i would piss on Mars) Which celestial body would you piss on?
Guest Pagemakers Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 You cynical bunch - I have every confidence that someone from Orange will reply to me as one of their loyal, money spending customers.
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 uranus (hee hee) But seriously... back on topic. I don't think Orange will give you an answer but: P800 is not locked down because other networks have access to the device as well. If you had the choice between P800 Orange with cert or P800 Vodafone without you'd go vodafone. SPV is Orange only and that is why they have made this choice. I think your chances of getting an official statement regarding this are very slim because it is that cut and dry. In the future when we see more Smartphone 2002 devices not tied to a specific network I think you'll see certification dissappear. (or at least change form to something more acceptable)
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Come on T-Mobile...... Give Orange a headache and bring out an UNLOCKED Tanager.... Thurstan, spacemonkey wants to piss on Uranus!
Guest superkingdave Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 i might neglect to pay my orange bill till they give of an answer about decert but i think theyd rather lose me as a customer than admit they made a mistake
Guest Bazz Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 You signed a contract so they might sue your ass rather than answer your question!
Guest superkingdave Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 maybe so... but they always give you two months before they cut you off... if we got everyone to wait till they get a final demand then orange might have a cash flow crisis.. that would piss them off
Guest yatpeak Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 I don't think taht there's any way you would be able to convince enough people to do that to even make Orange notice the decrease in money, let alone have a crisis, but I also doubt that people will agree to, since they could all get sued as well... Wyatt
Guest wirefree90 Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Hypothetical situation:- All SPV's are de-certed and has no security regime You all download a nice copy of Doom, I setup a premium rate number in China that charges $20 a min, sometime in the future at a predetermined time this Trojaned copy of doom rings my premium rate number... You all go to Orange to get your money back......
Guest Simon Desser Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Hypothetical situation:- All SPV's are de-certed and has no security regime You all download a nice copy of Doom, I setup a premium rate number in China that charges $20 a min, sometime in the future at a predetermined time this Trojaned copy of doom rings my premium rate number... You all go to Orange to get your money back...... But why is that any different with a P800 or 7650 etc. etc.??? And also, Orange quite happily sell Nokia & Sony Ericsson PC Card GPRS modems, you put your sim card in them, put it in your laptop's PC card slot, and open up Orange to a whole world of potential "threats"! I'm sorry, but I've heard nothing over the past 4 months to convince me that this certifying isn't a Microsoft thing!
Guest wirefree90 Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Sheer volume of product being available, would the above be worth it for a few hundred users ? Smartphone should be available in the millions...
Guest DJHope Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGG! RITE thats enuff of that why the hell do we have to go through this again, its been argued discussed debated and hacked to death! Orange say the p800 isnt able to touch "radio functions" atall! DJ Hope
Guest Soyale Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I'm sorry, but I've heard nothing over the past 4 months to convince me that this certifying isn't a Microsoft thing! All I can say is that the certification is an optional component in the operating system, put in there by Microsoft at the request of the operators. Orange CHOSE to opt for the locked down certified model. Other companies may not after the reaction to the locked down phone from Orange. Also, preventing developers from developing for a phone goes against the fundamental Microsoft business model of nurturing a developer community. jp
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Orange say the p800 isnt able to touch "radio functions" atall! If that was true it would be the most useless phone in the world! No call's, no SMS you get the idea. No, what a min, thats a 8210.
Guest DJHope Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 yeh that sounds stupid! I ment to say the programming api cant touch radio functions! But i cant be 100% on that im sure i herd it somewere.......... DJ Hope
Guest HelloDave Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 And don't forget the SPV has a two tier security model with priveliged and non priveliged apps (which can't touch the radio functions). They could have quite easily locked the phone down for priveliged apps but not for anything else, letting users run all the programs we can at the moment with a de-certed SPV. I don't mind having to pay for some software, but the lack of freeware on a certed SPV is a joke! Natrually Orange want the SPV to be certified becuase they can take a nice little rakeoff from all sales on Handango, and the thought of users being able to run what they want for free is just too much for them to bear. Of course they can't admit that, so the "security" excuse is a convenient one, expecially when many users are very worried about possible viruses.
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