Guest eric73ph Posted June 4, 2003 Report Posted June 4, 2003 Okay people... When I had my Tanager (take note of the past tense), my battery life was only at a max of 14 hrs. And that was only because I used the phone for only a maximum of 15 mins of calls. Plus I sent maybe 20-30 messages that day. On normal days, my phone will last from 8-10 hrs. How long can you keep your phone running before it goes dead?
Guest grifter Posted June 5, 2003 Report Posted June 5, 2003 hmmm... that's kinda short. i usually do 15-20mins of voice calls per day and around 20 sms. plus i play some games for around 10 mins. my battery life lasts for 24-36 hrs. this is a far cry from my t68mi which lasts 4-5 days. the price you pay for a fast processor and large tft display. hehe.. i wish they'd release a lithium polymer version of the batt.
Guest eric73ph Posted June 5, 2003 Report Posted June 5, 2003 interesting....maybe i got a lemon. as far as i know, people have told me that the battery life of the phone is comparable to a pocket pc....1 day only
Guest Lopio Posted June 5, 2003 Report Posted June 5, 2003 I dont make calls, send around 30 sms a day, but my battery dont last the whole day, i mean i open my phone at 7am when i reach home at 8pm its almost empty. my phone is 1 week old now.
Guest grifter Posted June 6, 2003 Report Posted June 6, 2003 @lopio, eric73ph maybe you keep on playing with your phones. remember, the TFT display eats up a lot of battery power. graphics-intensive games (like tennis addict, doom, etc.) also suck battery life like there's no tomorow. got my SAP for a little over a month now. my average battery life is around 36 hrs. using Binarysys' Task Manager, i was able to estimate that for every 1 hr of standby time, 1% of the battery power is used. So, thoeretically, the phone will last for 100 hrs on STANDBY -- meaning, no tinkering with the phone. just leave it on a desk. Also, phones in areas with poor signal coverage tend to eat up more batt power since the phone amplifies it's RF transmitter/receiver to gain better reception. @lopio, since your phone is only 1 wk old, i think it's normal that the batt is not that "conditioned" yet. I read somewhere that the peak performance of a lithium ion batt can be achieved after 2-3 wks of charging. give it 2 more wks, if it still has lousy batt life, have the battery replaced.
Guest Lopio Posted June 6, 2003 Report Posted June 6, 2003 @grifter i think the culprit is the signal, my smart signal is only about 2 to 3 bars in the office and 1 to 2 bars at home.
Guest BrAGoL Posted June 10, 2003 Report Posted June 10, 2003 @ Lopio it's also one (big) factor why it don't last that long...
Guest terrible Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 @Lopio, what happened to your P800? Don't tell me you dumped it in favor of the SAP. Malayo pare. No contest. I have both since I got the P 1335 Addict package but I gave the SAP to my daughter and am still using my P800. Let me correct myself there, if you are somebody who wants the functionality of a P800 but really really digs GAMES then SAP is the phone.
Guest dinoalbert Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 yeah but i heard that P800 doesnt have T9 input and the screen is not as nice as the Tanager, memory stick is expensive than the SD card. IMHO, P800 is too bulky as a phone and too small for a PDA, and the build looks cheap and not as classy as the Tanager, and it uses Symbian OS not MS...so may contest pa rin. Anyway thats my opinion, to each his own pa rin. I still prefer to use a Pocket PC if I want a PDA, and a Tanager for a phone. But if I want a Phone-PDA-in one...I would choose the MS-powered Qtek or XDA over the P800...yun talagang no contest! :wink:
Guest terrible Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 @dinoalbert, My friend, all you said about the P800 are true. But you only heard them. You have not personally used both and compared everything. Before I gave the SAP to my daughter I played around with it extensively just like I did with my P800. I set the SAP up just like my P800. GPRS, email, Outlook sync, additional applications, skins, you name it. I even bought a storage card right after I got the phone. When I posted that message for Lopio, it was done objectively because I saw his handle in the Esato forum. And when I said malayo and no contest I was addressing a P800 peer. I am not even sure it is really him. If it is him and he changed phone, that is his prerogative. Had I found the SAP really superior over the P800 while extensively playing around with it I would not mind changing phones since I already have both the SAP and the P800. I would have given the P800 to my daughter instead. The reason why I am also in this forum is I also want to keep myself updated regarding SAP because I believe it is a good phone in its own right. But I won't ever ever give up my P800 for it. Okay. And if you asked me for opinion, I won't have second thoughts about giving you the negative side of the P800 (yes, it doesn't have the T9. In fact this is one important thing being discussed in the P800 forums. I missed it but since the P800 already has the handwriting recognition, I stopped missing the T9. I am one of those who don't use the keypad for SMS, most especially long e-mail.) Okay, here's the lowdown on both (objectively): 1. When I got my P800, I thought it had the slowest bootload process (coming from a Nokia) but when I got the SAP, the P800 seemed like it was on turbo. 2. Microsot did great when they integrated all mails/messages into one inbox but allows you to save them in separate folders. The choice of SD/MMC over other storage cards is excellent. 3. The joystick of the SAP makes it a swell phone for action games. The P800 is for people who can live with mind games (e.g. chess) not action games. That is why I never attempted to install action games in mine and I hate it when P800 users brag about games in the P800 forums. I came across a Minesweeper game for the SAP and I said Oooops, that's a game best suited for a touch screen not a joystick. Even the default game (Solitaire) that comes with the SAP is best suited for touchscreen phones. 4. The program start menu of the SAP is so small that you have to press "9" several times before you can go to a specific application (it doesn't have a built-in category for applications). Did you know that I did something about it and grouped similar programs together in sub-menus. I can help you if you want me to. 5. The joystick is so slippery (it should have been made of the same material as the ones in the analog Playstation controllers) that pressing it most of the time brings you to the next item in a menu. I can go on and on.. giving you very objective lowdowns but unlike most users, I simply do not favor a gadget and die for it because it is the one I have. I constantly is on a lookout for something better and that is the reason I was able to compile a library of magazines. Let me inform you that the October 2002 issue of WHAT MOBILE contains pre-release reviews of both the P800 and the SAP (it actually reviewed the Canary and not the Tanager but both come from HTC of Taiwan so there is very little difference). If I find something new is better based on pre-release reviews then I would gladly part with whatever I have and if I have the extra money buy the new one. The same thing is true for the PDA. I had both the Palm and a PocketPC powered Philips Nino. There were things I liked in the Nino that I didn't like in the Palm like the Jot handwriting recog. So when I was able to get a Jot for the Palm I went back to Palm because I didn't like the hourglass that constantly shows up in the Nino whenever I move from one application to another (sounds familiar to the SAP users, am I right?, except instead of the hourglass, SAP has the round thingy like before a movie starts). So, when I posted that message addressed to Lopio, I didn't mean to infer on the judgment of SAP users about the superiority of the P800 or vice versa. I like the SAP and that's why I'm here in this forum. I learned a lot of things I can do with it from here. I had the same excitement when I got my SAP as when I got my P800. Both phones have a long way to go in areas of improvement. If you ask me now what PDA I will use, I will tell you, I will get a PocketPC powered PDA. But you can't make me get an O2 XDA. I can give you the lowdown on the XDA if you want me to. Best regards.
Guest grifter Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 Er, guys, I don't see the relevance of the current discussion to the topic which is "Battery Life".
Guest dinoalbert Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 @terrible Probably the reason why I favor the Tanager over the P800 is because I already have a PocketPC2002 so I didnt bother to try the P800. As I said, to each his own. I respect your opinion that there is no contest between the P800 and the Tanager. I am also just giving a 2-cent worth opinion that if we talk about phone-pda convergence, there is no contest between the P800 and the PocketPC-Phone Edition...so I hope you accept MY OPINION too. I am not into a phone or PDA debate but you're comment that "there is no contest" raises my eyebrowse a bit (just a bit) .... BUT I do accept your opinion so I just simply replied expressing my own opinion...and if you read my post, I said "IMHO (In My Humble Opinion)" So it is just my opinion, my personal view, that the P800 is too bulky as a phone, and too small as a PDA and I would rather choose a Qtek or XDA if I need a phone-and-pda-in-one. That is just my opinion and you cant change that...your opinion regarding the SAP is noted and I cant changed that too. I have no problem about that. Everybody is entitled to air his view. I have no problem either with Sony-Ericsson phones, their phones are great, in fact I have two phones, the other one is a year-old T68i which I use for my Globe line...and I am even planning to buy the upcoming new SE phones to replace my T68i. cheers... PS: Sorry for the Off-Topic
Guest dinoalbert Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 BTW, further inputs regarding SPV vs P800, try the thread under Main forum... SPV or P800 http://smartphone.modaco.com/viewtopic.php?t=66370 a guy was asking for advice as to what phone to buy...a Smartphone or P800...maybe you could help him
Guest bensy Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 speaking of battery life :-), I'm strongly thinking of dumping my SAP and get a new P800. I was expecting that this MICROSOFT powered SAP will be supported totally by microsoft, but up to now, there isn't any microsoft office software for it. And i heard that Microsoft is intentionally not developing OFFICE for SAP so as not to eat up the pocket PC market. It is totally disappointing. Internet explorer is not enough. bensy
Guest terrible Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 @dinoalbert, Sorry for the very long post, I think nagkakaintindihan na tayo. I really was just addressing Lopio (thinking he is a P800 peer). In retrospect, maybe I should have just sent him a PM. To really prove to you that I am very objective, I will not be posting P800 to SPV comparison in the thread you directed me to. I went to it and I could read postings from "die-hard" SPV users. If the guy is really interested in comparing phones he should read posts from both MoDaCo and Esato forums and be the judge himself so that if he commits a mistake and buy the wrong phone he doesn't have anyone else to blame but himself. Okay back to battery life. The SAP phone that I got didn't have the stamina I expected from a smart phone but maybe it was because I did not really bother to charge it the way it should have been the first time. The phone was charged (as in four bars) when I got it from Smart and because of excitement proceeded to explore everything it had immediately. I believe that to condition the battery, you should discharge the phone totally and charge it again to full capacity for at least five hours (this includes trickle charging) for, say, at least four times in succession. When I say discharge, I mean thru a little more than usual use (siguro by playing a lot of games or using the Pocket Candy screen saver with the screen on). :roll:
Guest Lopio Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 @terrible Yeah its me alright at the esato, i still have my P800, i bring 2 phone all the time one for smart and one for globe, im not dumping my P800 but im beginning to like my SAP, after 3 weeks of playing around with my SAP my bat is still less than a day the same is true with my friend who i convince to get a SAP, as i said before my Smart signal is very poooooor in my area specially at home and also at the office, but when i switch my SAP with the globe sim card my bat life is longer, so i dont blame the bat is defective and it proves that signal is really making my SAP consume more battery.
Guest grifter Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 @terrible, I think trickle charging only applies to older NI-CD batteries. Li-Pi and Li-Ion batteries don't need trickle charging since they don't have memory effect. In fact, there are articles saying that deep discharges (discharging till 0%) will damage the battery. here's something i found over the net re: trickel charging Li-Ion batts: "It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries. The Li-ion chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous"
Guest terrible Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 @grifter, Thanks for the info. @Lopio, Don't you find it inconvenient to bring two phones with you. And not just two phones, two Smart Phones. Wow, you're literally heavy. Delikado ka sa holdup, suerte holdupper sa 'yo. Ma-tip nga. he he he :lol:
Guest Geeklord Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 My battery life is also about 10-12 hrs with around 10 sms and 20 to 30 1- or 2-minute calls. Is there any way to extend this aside from not touching the phone? Also, did I understand right? that leaving your phone plugged in can be detrimental to the battery? I thought the SPV automatically stops charging when it's full?
Guest ppcsurfr Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 The signal depends on the cell site location and the frequency it's running on. If ou have more 900Mhz sites, I think you can get better battery life... so far from my experience... even befor Globe became a dual-band network, a similar phone lasts longer with Globe than with SMART... but things have changed since the introduction of more cell sites near my area. Now I get a whole day running it even with calls and the occasional MSN Messenger stuff. Mabuhay ~ Carlo
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