PocketTV Enterprise Edition for Smartphone Released

[Guest James]

PocketTV Enterprise Edition for Smartphone Released!

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[Guest Lojt]

Why pay 50$ if you can get it for free? Its the same as the classic version right?

[Guest James]

yes but this is for commercial use mate.

[Guest spacemonkey]

No, it's got more "performance" features and can be used for commercial purposes...

For $50 I'm sure the performance is an astonishingly large amount better :twisted: and it's a must for those of you who watch video clips on your phone in a professional capacity.

[Guest midnight]

for $50 it better be able to cook my meals aswell (and wash up after) :lol:

[Guest Vector]

:shock:

[Guest Monolithix [MVP]]

and it's a must for those of you who watch video clips on your phone in a professional capacity.

Or all those times you give public showings using your SmartPhone ;p

[Guest James]

So who knows what the real differences are between the free one and the $50 one?

1. its app signed.

2. ?

[Guest Vector]

2. It costs $50 more :lol:

3. ?

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

I like the sales pitch

Safe and secure: Does not require that you unlock or de-certify your Smartphone. Your private data stored in the Smartphone remains safe and secured.

Safe and secure? are they trying to scare you into buying it then :lol:

plenty of apps around to keep you "private data" secure if you are that worried about it.

[Guest James]

yeah! whats all that about?

[Guest JoelRae]

It does seem to imply that by unlocking / de-certing your phone you're allowing SPV-using nasties to view all of your private info :shock:

... hmmmm, not sure I'm convinced that's the case :wink:

[Guest midnight]

*i think* its implying that decertifying your phone to run the free version means that your data is no longer safe and secure, clever ploy for more sales there? or does the free version indeed send all your contacts and other information around the web :lol:

[Guest James]

not another spyware media player!

only joking! i really doubt that.

3. its got a help file.

4. ?

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

Currently the differences between Classic and Enterprise are:

- Enterprise is signed (Classic is not signed)

- Enterprise is not free (Classic is free)

- Enterprise is for commercial/enterprise use (Classic license does not allow any commercial/enterprise use)

There is currently no other differences in features and performances (both Enterprise and Classic have a Help). However it is very possible that the features and performances of both products will differ in future releases.

Enterprise is only targeted to Enterprise/ Commercial users, not to personal users, so most of you can continue to use Classic (which requires unlocked/decertified phones, just like most other freeware and games do).

Enterprise / Commercial may be more concerned about security and data privacy, which is why Enterprise Edition is signed. Of course, data security has a price, so it is normal that we charge for the signed version. The price may seem high but if you look at the total number of downloads of the free version, you will see that it is justified since Enterprise Edition is currently our only source of revenues on Smartphone.

We hope that in the future some Smartphone manufacturers and/or Mobile Operators will want to bundle PocketTV Enterprise Edition with their Smartphone. This would provide access to the signed application at no cost for the user while providing us with a small royalty-based revenue. This would be the best solution for the users and for us.

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

> *i think* its implying that decertifying your phone to run the free version means that your data is no longer safe and secure

There is a lesser security when you de-certify/unlock your phone. That's evident, and we explain how code signature works here:

http://www.pockettv.com/faq.html#unlock

You just have to be aware of that.

> or does the free version indeed send all your contacts and other information around the web

Certainely not! PocketTV does not do that, it would be very illegal. But other unsigned applications could contain malicious code. Code signature is meant to eliminate or at least reduce this risk.

[Guest James]

well it looks like its got a fair few sales already! so good luck with the product and keep up the good work.

[Guest dinoalbert]

Are you saying that us here in the Philippines who are using the Tanager which is unlocked by default by the carrier is at risk??? :shock:

Unlock your Smartphone at your own risks, knowing that you will have a lesser security.

can you please be more specific or some examples ?

thanks...

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

Sure, the principle of how code signature (i.e. locked Smartphone) works is explained here:

http://www.mpegtv.com/wince/pockettv/faq.html#unlock

Code signature allows an operator to disable certain specific applications (based on the signature they use).

With unlocked phones, this is not possible, so it may be impossible to prevent rogue applications from running on unlocked phones.

Suppose some guy manage to camouflage a rogue application into a game, and suppose this application steals data from your phone, or capture keys that may be credit-card numbers when you order by phone useing VISA, this applications will run just fine on unlocked phones.

You couldn't do that on locked phones, because of the higher security. First, you would need a signature, so it is unlikely that a real business would sign a rogue application, second, if a signed application causes any sort of problem, the operator can disable it.

The only reason for the signature system is to increase security. There is no other benefit that I can see.

[Guest dinoalbert]

So does it mean that Smart Communications Phils does not care enough for their subscribers because they didnt "lock" the Tanagers that they sell to us?

Smartphones are "locked" by default to guarantee that your personal data is safe and secure.

So what are these "personal data".... like my contacts? What is going to happen then to these personal data if they are not secure?

thanks again...

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

So does it mean that Smart Communications Phils does not care enough for their subscribers because they didnt "lock" the Tanagers that they sell to us?

So what are these "personal data".... like my contacts? What is going to happen then to these personal data if they are not secure?

thanks again...

It's a trade-off.

Most users are ennoyed by the code signature system, because it prevents them from running freeware and cheap games, because those applications are generally not signed (it costs money to get an application signed, and it requires that a legitimate company be liable for the signature contract).

So many users have expressed that they prefer unsigned Smartphones, i.e. with the code signature safety turned "off'. Some operators, e.g. Orange, provide ways for users to unlock their phones.

The operators are simply providing what most of their customers are asking for. If most customer want to play free games and don't care much about security, then the operator may decide to provide unlocked phones.

If an operator provides unlocked Smartphones by default, you should check whether this operator provides an option to lock your phone for the if you prefer that because you are concerned by the lesser security of unlocked phones.

In the next generation Smartphones, there will be another option called something like "prompt-locked" where you can have a locked phone, but you will be able to run some applications that are not signed, if you decide that they are safe. The Smartphone will ask you to confirm that you want to run an un-signed, and possibly unsafe application, on your locked phone.

[Guest midnight]

come on, be serious, its a marketing ploy to get people to buy the enterprise version, scaring users into thinking they better not unlock their phones and use the free version.

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

come on, be serious, its a marketing ploy to get people to buy the enterprise version, scaring users into thinking they better not unlock their phones and use the free version.

We are not asking anyone to purchase our Enterprise software, and we provide a free version for personal use that is as good as the Enterprise version.

But why do you thing MS invented the code signature system ? Do you think they invented that so that more people would purchase more of PocketTV Enterprise Edition ? Be reasonnable, that's not the reason!

The reason is that some mobile operators were concerned by security (especially given the poor record of MS regarding software security on Windows), so they asked that MS come up with a platform with more advanced security.

Code signature was not invented just to make midnight's life more complicated.

We figure that most people who have unlocked their Smartphone would probably not want to pay to watch video, so we give them PocketTV Classic for free. Anything wrong with that ? Or are we just too nice ? :lol:

And there is nothing wrong in educating people either. Would you prefer to know what it means to unlock your Smartphone, or do you absolutely not care about that. If you don't care, just unlock your phone and be happy. If you want to understand how code signature works and what it is supposed to do in terms of security, then you may learn something.

[Guest midnight]

the reason i am saying this is not to question the reasoning behind micrsoft/orange adding application signing, i am questioning the wording and use of that statement on your product, as far as i'm aware, all handango products are signed, but you dont see anyone else mentioning this fact. Now maybe this wasnt your fault, maybe it was handango themselves who wrote it, but the point is, your free version is also safe and secure, which this statement implies its not.

[Guest dinoalbert]

I would like to ask again (because your FAQ isnt that very specific at all):

So what are these "personal data" that are unsafe.... like my contacts (granting I dont use credit cards over the phone transation) ? What is going to happen then to these personal data if they are not secure?

There is currently no other differences in features and performances (both Enterprise and Classic have a Help). However it is very possible that the features and performances of both products will differ in future releases.

So I guess one should buy the Enterprise edition only in the future then... future releases.

So whats the difference from PocketTV Classic? Are you saying that you are distributing this free app that is unsafe? If so, then why are you giving it out? If not, then why create the Enterprise Edition?

Sir, with all due respect, I think this is just a marketing strategy :wink: No offense but this is IMO