Fake Matrix Script

[Guest nickcornaglia]

Here is that fake matrix script I was talking about before.

http://www.angelfire.com/film/matrix2/arch...chive/script1-6

I finally saw the movie today,,,,I misssed the rush, it was only me and about 4 other people in the theater and they only had it in one of the 12 theaters.

My thoughts.....GREAT!

And I agree with others who believe Zion is another Matrix for those who reject the first. I think. I'm trying to find the script from Reloaded so I can read what the hell that architect said again.

[Guest JabbaTheSlut]

i didnt like the second one, it was slow, action scenes long and repetative, and of what the architect was rubbish, about the fact neo was the 6th "one" etc etc.

in my opinion the matrix series is just another action movie with a pointlessly overcomplicated script, with little, if no meaning.

best part of that film was when my mate shouted its c. sanders when the architect turned round(this was on opening night, and it was rather busy!)

thats my 2p, and its open to desctruction and i`m open to opinion, you never know-you may sway me!

Jabba

[Guest Rob.P]

I thought Zion was in the real world, because the theme of the 2nd was about control, they found that due to the one element (hope) that the machines could not defeat or comprehend they allow a certain amount of humans to break free and build Zion, only to have a war at the end where by Zion gets wiped out and started again (by a certain few that "The One" chooses) along with another version of the Matrix. Hence the machines have a limited amount of control over what they can't completely control.

The thing about Sci-Fi is it's never to do with the technology or the setting, a good Sci-Fi is about humanity and what makes us what we are. The best example to date being Bladerunner, that was never about the science.

I really hope that Zion is not in the Matrix cause that sort of twist has been done to death and is no longer a twist anymore, at the moment I think the storyline has dealt quite well with the issues of humanity and I can see a conclusion to it all that would be brilliant and I hope it ends like that or simliar, just have to wait till November.

If you do like the Matrix universe then it is worth seeing the Animatrix series (DVD) they are brilliant and fill in a lot of the gaps.

[Guest paulend]

zion is not in the matrix!!

[Guest nickcornaglia]

In the end...Neo wakes up in front of his PC....al la JR Hewing!

[Guest mashkhan]

Nah, what would make a good ending is if a ten year old kid walks out of a futuristic arcade where he's just been playing the lastest and greatest arcade game "The Matrix"

[Guest spacemonkey]

Or if it all turns out that Neo and Agent Smith are brothers and they've just been lost in a big fun park. (This is a reference to Monkey Island 2, best game ever, worst ending ever)

But seriously, the 'ZION is in the matrix' idea at least helps with the 'Neo stopping sentinals with his hand' thing, but it does leave the whole thing too open in that what's "outside" the matrix could be any damn thing.

I'm personally inclined to lean a bit towards ZION being outside the Matrix but also that what's happening next is still somewhat within the Machines plans. The Architect gave Neo 2 choices, do what the machines want and save humanity or go for the girl. I think it would be naive to think the machines actually expect a human to take the logical option in this situation. They know about love, hell, they predicted that Neo and Trinity would get it on.

So under that hypothesis, ZION is in the real world, but Neo et al are still following the machines plan somewhat... that's where I think the next movie starts.

Just my call tho.

[Guest nickcornaglia]

But then how does Smith get into the real world?

How are he and Neo the same now?

If Neo was faced with 2 doors, wasn't he really given the option to run 2 differnet program scenarios?

Why are everyone's clothes so dirty and why did Trinity get out of her dirty "work" clothes only to put on her fancy dirt outfit when everyone in the control room was wearing spring fresh whiteness?

Why can they afford the fancy minority-report type systems in the control room and the rest of Zion is made from junkyard parts?

Why do people still say BULLSH*T in the future when they havn't seen a bull in over 100 years?

REALISTICALLY....

I don't think that Zion is in the Matrix...that's too disapointing.

I think that the Architech's story is true...but Neo finds a way around it. He already did when he saved Trinity, because the Architech (am I spelling that right?) said that she would die. But it better get alot deeper than that or I will be very sad. (but I'll still buy the DVD box set at christmas!)

[Guest Rob.P]

Spacemonkey you could be on to something there, thinking about it in that respect how do you create "The One". Surely it has to be a genetic thing, so if Neo actually chose to save the human race he would have actually been able to save the human race, where by he chose Trinity so that they get it on have a baby that will eventually end up being "The One", prehaps this is the only method the machines have for harvesting "The One", ergo they destroy Zion take the baby and plug it in and hey presto back to the point where Neo entered the first film and the cycle continues.

As for stopping the sentinels "I believe..." :lol: that he was able to stop them because his mind is expanding or usage of. All the skills he has in the matrix or the principles behind them have been well documented in our history from various cultures, the Shaolin Monks have amazing mental powers and can do that sort of Kung Fu where you flip up walls and such like, so prehpas his mind has been unlocked and latent potential that we all have is finally shining through.

You can find an easy explanation for smith getting into a human body as he is a program which is basically electrical impulses, the human brain runs on electrical impulses, think of it as wiping your phone ROM and putting on a new image from file.

Who knows, there all good thoeries though and I haven't seen a film for years that generates these sort of discussions so that's something positive going for it even if you don't like the film.

[Guest TANKERx]

I think that there could be a spanner in the works (from the machines' point of view). Remember after the first fight, Agent Smith says to another Agent Smith something along the lines of "It's happening just as before", and the other says something like "well, not quite as before".

Also, I find it interesting that Neo has five predecessors. This makes him Number6. Anybody who has watched the cult 60s show 'The Prisoner' (which had a massive following, which also had some of its episodes banned because of the social comment they were making) will remember that the main character (Number6) was being held captive by someone that was trying to find out why he resigned from his job, but in so doing, tried to change his perception of reality, society and the role of the many aspects of society - effectively, altering his world view. After many attempts at escaping The Village, he finally got away and The Village was destroyed.

Is the Matrix supposed to portray a village where the inhabitants don't know who are the prisoners and who are the wardens? I do think that the number 6 is important in this scheme of things, especially since the Wachowsky brothers have read a lot from different religions and 6 is 'the number of man'.

Back to the spanner though, I think that having Agent Smith unplugged will make it interesting for the plot. He is now living for himself and not a servant of the Matrix.

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bullshit.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.

End Scene

[Guest nickcornaglia]

But the 2 choices given to neo are:

Door #1) Everyone in Zion dies except for 23 including Neo

Door #2) Everyone linked to the Martix dies, Everyone in Zion dies, and the machines mostly all die except for a few.

With those two choices...the machines still "win" in either case.

The movie can't let that happen unless there is a goofy twisted moral at the end, which is unlikely, since theyalready had that discussion between neo and the white haired councel member.

And yes....a great movie just because it invokes this kind of thought.

I havn't been this much into fiction since the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice. ('Memnoch the Devil' specifically.)