Guest rph8uk Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Hi folks, i bought an spv off someone in the pub, and thought i was going to be abit dodgy and my guess was correct. (also i dont need anyone telling me i shouldnt have bought it!!!) i put my sim in and it says network denied, i unlocked the phone so i could use another sim and all sims are denied on it. it has been stolen or money is overdue on the phone. i assume orange has classed it as stolen. this is a chance you can re-program the phone so it has a different emi number that i can use my sim card??? any help will be much appriciated thanks rik
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Nope, changing the IMEI is illegal. If its been deactivated by Orange then you've been had i'm afraid.
Guest Syvwlch Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 If it was money overdue, the SIM would be locked, not the Phone. That phone is reported as stolen.
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 You can use it abroad but then what you are doing is highly illegal and i wouldnt condone it shop the b**tard who sold it to you. DJ Hope
Guest Syvwlch Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 I'd report him, turn in the phone, lodge a complaint and buy an SPV from a legal source.
Guest weejinky Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 That will serve you right for buying something in a pub. If it sounds to cheap to be true then it probably is. If idiots would stop buying stolen goods then there would be no incentive for criminals to nick things! People who buy things in pubs off total strangers are just as bad as the people who stole the items in the first place. Dont get me wrong, not all the things sold in pubs are nicked but you must question why a legitimate seller would use a pub to sell goods.
Guest SirGaz Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Or Captain Janeway - she had hers nicked
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 I just can't believe that someone came onto a legitimate board and said that they think they bought a nicked phone that is locked, and what can they do about it. This person is STUPID... for the following reasons: 1) Bought an obviously dodgy phone 2) It didn't work because it was nicked 3) Told everyone they got ripped off and knowingly received stolen property (which is illegal) 4) Thought posting here might help.
Guest Syvwlch Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 :shock: Well, that got a reaction. Give him a chance to bring it to police, already.
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Spacemonkey a little harsh i think. People DO buy stolen goods completely oblivously and this guy had no idea what "network denied" ment (i certainly didnt). I have to admit id be pretty supcious in the situation he gave but then again you neva know, besides surely the bloke who did the crime should do the time. Also this poor b**tards been punished because the phone dosnt work (haha). However i cant believe he is seriously asking about reprogramming the phone and i rekon that should be a punishable offence by the mods, i mean reprogramming phones can get you a good 5 years in jail these days! DJ Hope
Guest Syvwlch Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Hey... just had a thought. Remember that "Are we really that mean?" thread in Off-Topic? Perhaps the guy who was so turned off on a nameless smartphone forum was one of our previous chaps with denied phones, who asked for a way to remove the lock? :) Makes you feel better about the whole thing, no? Seriously tho, give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and explain to him what his limited legal options are. He'll make the right choice, probably.
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Sorry, it's just that, even from the word go he thought it was probably a bit dodgy buying the phone from a guy in the pub. It just really pisses me off the way everyone will happily just purchase what are likely to be stolen goods in this country. The same people will then complain that the government should do something about the high levels of theft. I just wish people would take some personal responsibility and stop purchasing stuff that seems dodgy and thereby make society a better place. And don't give me any of that, "but if I don't do it someone else will" because that's a weak justification.
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Yeh okay ill give you that, but their are ALOT of people in this country who ARE stupid and get suckered into buying stolen goods you gotta feel sorry for them, however i dont believe this guy ios one of them i rekon he mustave known it was stolen! DJ Hope
Guest martin Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 I have nothing against legitimate second hand phone purchases but while it is getting more common to read of car windows being smashed or kids being mugged on the street just for a mobile phone then I have no sympathy for the buyers of these too-good-to-be-true phone deals in their local pub. I very much doubt that you would get your money back from someone that is willing to sell you a stolen mobile phone in first place. It's was a case of your gain was going to be someone elses loss. Except this time : YOU LOSE
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Well most people have insurance so really its the insurance companies who are going to loose out, however i agree that mobile phone crime has caused an increase in muggings and violent crime should be serverely punished! Anyways now that the mobile phone companies have (finally) decided to start colaborating and stolen mobile phones wont work in this country anymore it dosnt matter anyway, these sorts of crime's should be heavly on the decrease (one would hope). I think thats a great job on everybodys part, my only question is WHEN are they going to start doing this on an international scale? Really this is a testament to the work that has gone on to try and stop mobile phone crime our friend here has been serevely screwed by the system and has probably paid his price! DJ Hope
Guest martin Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Unfortunately with take up of pre-pay phones, especially amongst the younger generation, these phones are very often uninsured ? It's a case of go out and buy another if its lost or stolen. Hopefully the networks WILL succeed in making suspiciously stolen phones look less attractive to potential buyers on the basis that it cannot be guaranteed to work (on any network). I know this ones an SPV and therefore will be insured but that doesn't make it less of a crime.
Guest pisquee Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 obviously phones that are reported stolen are now locked from all UK networks, though not from European networks - so an option would be to sell it into europe, but then you are dealing in stolen goods. Is this idea a possibility ... take phone to country (or offshore) where reprogramming IEMI number is not illegal, and do the necessary reprogramming ... then bring it back into the UK - is this a legal workaround (aprt form the phone still being stolen property) Has something like this been thought of for the new IEMI laws? I am not condoning doing this - just interested into how well thought out the law is.
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 This one hell of a topic :shock: I just hope the phone gets back to the true owner.
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 pisquee: Go look up the mobile phone reprogramming act 2002 - HERE: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/en/2002en31.htm And heres a taster for you: 3.   The Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act creates a number of offences relating to the electronic identifiers of mobile wireless communications devices. In particular it becomes an offence to reprogramme the unique International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) number which identifies a mobile telephone handset. It is also possible to interfere with the operation of the IMEI by the addition of a small electronic chip to the handset and this too is made illegal. 4.   From September 2002 all the major mobile telephone network providers will be able to bar mobile telephone handsets, when these are reported stolen or lost, by reference to the IMEI number. However, if the IMEI number of the stolen or lost telephone is changed, it will not be possible to implement the barring process and the telephone will be able to continue in use.  And this answers your question pisquee: (1) A person commits an offence if-    (a) he changes a unique device identifier, or   (:) he interferes with the operation of a unique device identifier.  So if you change an IMEI you are guilty of an offense dosnt matter which country you were in when you did it! DJ Hope
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Which is what i said in my original post right back at the start ;p (although i wasn't aware it was an international offence). I thought it would be interesting (and it was worth it it seems....) to see what discussion it provoked though :)
Guest DJHope Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Yeh mon mate i know, i just giving the offical read outs! DJ Hope
Guest pisquee Posted March 21, 2003 Report Posted March 21, 2003 Are you sure? I thought the act was a UK law, and as such only applied to the UK?
Guest Syvwlch Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 It is illegal to do so in France as well, and recently the netwoks have implemented phone barring by IMEI, after resisting it for years (it pumped new phones into the market and increased revenues for them).
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted March 22, 2003 Report Posted March 22, 2003 As I understand it, it's not just illegal to reprogram IMEI's in the UK... even owning the hardware required is now illegal - seen as proof of intent to do so. One of the other telco's goes even further than Orange, and has a neat scheme by which if you put a sim into a phone with a barred IMEI number, the sim is "contaminated" - put the sim into a different phone, and THAT one gets its IMEI barred too. A couple of months back, they were looking to share the technology across all UK telco's. One hell of an incentive NOT to buy dodgy phones. Not only will the new one not work... neither will the OLD one.
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