gprs seems to stay on?

[Guest simonbratt99]

when i use gprs i get a 'G' on the signal strength... all ok so far.

When i finish and go back to the home page the 'G' stays there. im worried im still connected thus using money, and wil voice calls still come in?

thanks for the help

[Guest chucky.egg]

With GPRS you (normally) pay for the data you send and receive NOT for the time you are connected.

Check with your service provider to be safe, but it should not be a problem

[Guest simonbratt99]

is that the case with wap too? and will there be a 'W' if im connected with WAP. oh man, im a techno headed IT bloke but they cdont make it easy. All im worried about is racking up a big bill, why cant a little ticker be displayed all the time or net stuff so you know where you are, cost wise.

[Guest James]

the G in the middle on the top only indicates that a GPRS service is found...

[Guest James]

with respect to cost.... there is a aplication you can buy that will keep track

[Guest simonbratt99]

yea i know that, i mean the 'G' in the signal indicator. will it be a 'W' if your using Wap, as wap is pay per minute

[Guest James]

no mate....

if you are using wap it will be dialing (cost per min connected) like a call

[Guest zeta101]

In anycase if you are still worried about your still having a G on the signal strength icon (the far right icon) if you press the red "end call" key once it will disconnect the GPRS and you will see the icon change back to a normal signal strength icon...

[Guest simonbratt99]

thanks,

is there an easy way of monitoring how much gprs (ie internet not wap) you are using, as it seems you have no idea. Orangel suggested using the data timer, but thats in munites and gprs works by Bytes downloaded.

Am i reading the data timer wrong?

For example how do you know how much MSN is costing you, as i see it youve got no idea what so ever. and thats crazy and very dangeous

[Guest James]

look here

[Guest zeta101]

This is a big issue yeah, it *should* be a standard feature on the phone but it isnt :)

At the moment there are 2 apps you can use:

- Imeter: http://smartphone.modaco.com/viewtopic.php...&highlight=gprs

This is in french at the moment and is still beta, so keep an eye on this thread for an english version. It looks like its free atm too.

- All Locations GPRS counter, which the last time i looked is about USD$20 :S you can get that from www.handango.com

I would wait for now, either on Imeter to have an english version, or for someone to make another freeware application. It should happen sometime soon.

[Guest]

yea i know that, i mean the 'G' in the signal indicator. will it be a 'W' if your using Wap,  as wap is pay per minute

As jlowap said there isn't a "W" symbol.

The other connection icon is two arrows pointing left and right, in the same place that the small G appears. This indicates a CSD connection (Circuit Switched Data) which is charged by the second.

One thing to note - WAP denotes the protocol; GPRS and CSD denote the connection and therefore the charging structure. When WAP first came out the only connection availible was CSD - this is why CSD is often (incorrectly) refered to as a "WAP connection"

[Guest simonbratt99]

im sure this will all become more 'managable'. im happy to spend 'some' money on data services, but rather spend none than not know what im spending.

If your on a WAP site but connected by gprs surely your charged differently than being on a wap site connected using wap. (time or kB charges), and you dont know which cos it says 'G' all the time.

oh well

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

As long as you are on a wap site then you pay wap charges.

[Guest simonbratt99]

ah ha , so the key is knowing if your on a wap site or not....

does awap site have a different url (ie not http)?

[Guest Lordsmiff]

Erm...I hate to do this but I'm going to have to disagree with awarner on this one *sorry* ;-)

It's not the type of site that you're on that determines what you pay, it's how you're connected.

You can still browse a wap site over a GPRS connection.

Basically, if you see the G in the signal strength, it's GPRS and you're paying by the KB and if it's a phone icon or the arrows, you're paying by the second.

Cheers,

T.

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Just spoken to Orange to check and basically with a WAP site on GPRS you will be charged

as Lordsmiffy says it is by the data but it's converted and to the WAP equivelent.

Another option which is what I was thinking about :oops: (if you use WAP all the time) is to take up

the WAP bundle that Orange do, which is £4 for unlimited use (10 MB fair usage policy)

This is what I use as GRS is too pricy for me and I have had it disabled.

[Guest simonbratt99]

crazy init.....

basically i love the idea of a small amout of surfin on the phone, but ive decided im not gonna use it until either,

1. i get a free data counter that actually counts both time and kB

2. or they make it so you can actually tell what system your using. (wap gprs)

Otherwise i know what will happen ill be sitting there thinking im on gprs, wont bother hurrying to disconnect, and it will be on bloody WAP.

its the providers who will loose out, and i garentee you they have/ will have many annoyed customers with bills they didnt expect :evil:

It could have been so simple.

[Guest simonbratt99]

can anyone confirm this, (only if ya sure, cos orange dont know)

Ive set my phone to orange wap on both internet and wap connection

This should garentee i only use wap (fre for three months)

Now i can still log into MSN on ma phone so this means im using wap to log into MSN.....right?

i think im Mr sceptical now

[Guest Lordsmiff]

Sceptical indeed :)

There *is* a way to tell if you're using a "wap" conection or GPRS - if it's GPRS, there's a G in the signal indicator, and if it's wap, there's the arrows (which indicate a data call ;) It really is that simple :D

And as for GPRS couter, you want ALL-locations GPRS Traffic Counter from handango.

For the length of time on a data call, you can use the call history screen :lol:

Hope this helps to settle your fears ;)

T.

[Guest James]

do you get a little G next to the signal bars?

[Guest simonbratt99]

yes always even if i tell data connections only to use wap

[Guest simonbratt99]

Just spoken to Orange to check and basically with a WAP site on GPRS you will be charged  

as Lordsmiffy says it is by the data but it's converted and to the WAP equivelent.  

from awarner

so is this covered under the 3 months free wap, ?

am i being thick here? feel free to tell me....

you might not think so but im a typical gadget loving thirty something, computer loving, techno nuthead, who programs, who builds pc's, incharge of the IT department, and who looks for problems for a laff. If im struggling, Mr. average Joe90 aint got a hope. And thats not big headed, its just a fact.

(much appreciate all your help)

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

WAP over GPRS is covered by the wap promotion but remember it took me six attempts

to get Orange to tell me that this promotion was WAP and WAP over GPRS only the first

five cs staff all told me normal GPRS was included as well :roll:

It's a shame but some of their staff do need a bit more training :)

[Guest martin]

The WAP access pack covers ANY use of the SPV's WAP connection. The WAP Connection can be set to either Orange CSD WAP (GSM WAP) or Orange WAP (GPRS WAP).

The Internet Connection which is usually set to orangeinternet (GPRS internet) is not part of the WAP access pack.

If you want to force the use of the WAP Connection then set IE options to 'Select Network :WAP network' and untick 'Auto detect settings'. All sites will then be accessed using the WSP protocol (see page properties) which confirms that you are using the free WAP service.