Yo Midnight, Check this out lol

[Guest DMF]

Yer famous ;)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...&category=10364

[Guest Lojt]

Not as famous as that guy who made the xbox skin ;)

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

And the MS guy claimed to make it :evil: :x :evil:

For those who do not know MS did a Smartphone presentation and showed

how to make a homescreen using an Xbox theme that they did not create but

talked about it as if it was made by them :evil:

[Guest fde]

That's exactly what MS has been doing for the past 20 years. The only genuine MS thing (except for the amount of bugs in their code) was the flight simulator. :x .

[Guest]

And it all started by them blaging a commission from IBM to produce an OS - they went out and bought the rights to "Q-DOS" (Quick and Dirty Opperating System), tweaked it and then flogged it to IBM as "MS-DOS"!

[Guest muff]

wheras Apple just ripped of Xerox park instead

[Guest fde]

correct... but with style!

Furthermore they invented:

Quicktime (the first pc based video compression tool)

Hypercards (probabely inspired lotus for their notes)

TruetypeFonts (Although PS-Fonts were first)

Finder

... just to mention a few

I am using PC's since a long time but started on Apple. The current marketshare of Apple vs. MS proves: Marketing & legal activities pay off whilst pure inovation is condemned to death.

Sas, Sad :wink:

[Guest muff]

not sure I agree that Apple have been innovative, as they have 'borrowed' ideas from other locations just like MS

their internal TrueType Fonts projects was cancelled, and they bought in the tech from an ex Xerox Park researcher who had solved the printing problems (think the guy started Adobe actually)

and after all their systems haven't really changed in the last 20 years (give us a second mouse button already)

they owned the marketplace and fumbled the ball, and MS were only too keen and hungry to take a slice of the market - which eventually grew to where we are now

the only real difference between the 2 in the early days is that MS got lots of products onto their platform, and gradually more and more software was targetted to Windows, and so Windows grew more succesful, causing more people to develop for Windows....

I think it's a shame that Apple aren't more competitive in the marketplace, if only to drive things forward

on the other hand at least we now have a situation where most computer can be expected to be compatible with one another

anyway, I think I've drifted this topic a little further off topic than intended

muff

[Guest DMF]

I thought bitstream fonts were out b4 PS .... Ps were only in use on laser printers when i was designing on a 286 with GEM OS ..... Bitstream fonts were expensive, and the order of the day for pc's.

[Guest Richie M]

hhmm bit Off Topic this chap so moved ;)