Guest straff2002 Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 The P800 has a similarly crap battery life if you leave bluetooth on and play with it a bit. I'm very lucky to get a days use out of it, when bluetooth is on you are lucky to get 5 hours on it unless you turn the light off. With light use the p800 needs charging up after 8 hours, the spv used to last longer then this. And for those who are thinking of going to the p900 DONT had a play with it and gaming is nigh on impossible for most fast reacting games, and most of them are crap! That's on both the p800 and p900 with no joystick capabilities. PS anyone wanna swap their e200??? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest straff2002 Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Paul, When is Mr Orange back? Just want a definitive answer before buying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest statscat Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 The your phone page on the orange web site Play games on your E200 does mention 4 way ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest statscat Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 The your phone page on the orange web site Play games on your E200 does mention 4 way ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b0x Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I just installed rebound off the extra sd card... even with 5 way i cant make much use of the joystick as it's so small and sensitive, the more i look at this the more it's a non issue for me as a user and i can safely say i'm going to keep my spv now :lol: jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gnuig Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 "]The Dopod supports 8 way movement running 2003. P Thanks Paul for clarifying this. From what I have read on this topic, my guess it is still a software issue. Seems like both the e100 and e200 have the same hardware for the keypad (for sensing movement) except the new joystick. I believe that the NES-game-type keypads all were '4-way hardware' keypads, where the 4 additional directional movements was made from a combination of left/right and up/down being triggered, so there should be a software fix possible. Still... it will probably take a while for this bug to be fixed? Hope it is simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bunchie Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 The link to this review is from Coolsmartphone and was picked up upon by The Inquirer. This also suggests that the hardware is indeed capable of 8 way directional input and that it is a software problem.. http://idunno.org/displayBlog.aspx/2003112501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snu Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 sucky.. ;( Posted from my SmartPhone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gnuig Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 The link to this review is from Coolsmartphone and was picked up upon by The Inquirer. This also suggests that the hardware is indeed capable of 8 way directional input and that it is a software problem.. http://idunno.org/displayBlog.aspx/2003112501 Nice link. I must admit, after just one week in the consumers' hands, mistakes like these for on a new product is unforgivable. Truely a lemon, no!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b0x Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 If certain sites are to be believed orange are starting to pull the e200 from the shops... have to see how that one unfolds..... jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pondrew Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 I've just been onto Orange on 150 (very helpful guy called Adam) to query this problem and the possibility of returning the phone. He seemed unaware of any issues with the E200 but advised that even when purchasing over the internet I should have upto 28days to return the phone. Now, I should stress at this point that I love my new E200 and think it's a big improvement on the SPV. EXCEPT that is for the battery life and this new issue. I'm now torn as I can't see myself downgrading to Smartphone 2002, I don't like clamshell phones, and I would like to stick with Microsoft's Smartphone approach. But I also didn't like the poor battery life of the SPV and see it being little better on the E200. The joystick issue is almost too much on top of that. Still, I think I'm going to stick with it. After all, I'll be able to upgrade again in 12months :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Syphon Filter Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hrm...the joystick issue may well be fixed in software. But the battery life of the phone is something we are stuck with, unless they release a decent battery, for which we will no doubt be charge an arm and a leg!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo_dee Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 It may be possible to improve battery life with a software update via better power management. As for the joystick thing, having dismantled my new E200, I am of the opinion that its a hardware thing, as far as I can tell its not possible for the joystick to make contact with the two switches at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wavey Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 I remember reading a while back about an SPV joystick that Eleksen were developing. Dunno what became of it... http://www.newswireless.net/articles/03040...02-eleksen.html Could this be a solution? I'd guess no if its a software issue but maybe yes if hardware... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 The joystick was only a prototype members lucky enough to go to the first meet in April had the chance to test it, one suggesttion I made was to have the capabilities to plug it into the keyboard as an extra option. This unit never made it past the prototype stage :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo_dee Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Does anyone have or know where I can find specs for the connector on the phone or for a keyboard? Im thinking of making my own prototype joystick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 yesssss, competition pro extra/5000 connected to the e200, now that i would love to see :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo_dee Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Well if I manage to find out how to do it midnite I will send you one! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wavey Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Judging by the level of response on this topic, there's a definite market for a joystick device. Reckon there's gold in them there hills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rintys5 Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 No one has actually said if they have a problem with the 8 way joystick. I'm always getting diagonal movement when I didn't intend it - scrolling round file manger type lists and most annoying for me, adjusting the volume in Pocket Music and accidently jumping track (I use my e100 in the car as a music player). I don't use games that much, and I can actually see why they may have reduced the movement of the stick. It's not that nice to use, and 5 way actually aids more acurate navigation. I don't think this would stop me from upgrading - in 9 months when my contract is up! Buy then of course, we could be on God knows what version of the phone :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kevlar Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 This is what we need, excuse my very basic photoshop knowledge! Kevlar Image uploaded as some people could not see it when linked to another site, Brodyspvdpad.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gnuig Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 No one has actually said if they have a problem with the 8 way joystick. Â I'm always getting diagonal movement when I didn't intend it - scrolling round file manger type lists and most annoying for me, adjusting the volume in Pocket Music and accidently jumping track (I use my e100 in the car as a music player). Â I don't use games that much, and I can actually see why they may have reduced the movement of the stick. It's not that nice to use, and 5 way actually aids more acurate navigation. I don't think this would stop me from upgrading - in 9 months when my contract is up! Buy then of course, we could be on God knows what version of the phone :lol: I think it is still a 'downgrade'. Seems apps can 'just' choose not to use the 8-way. I don't know why you would try to argue it is better to have 5-way compared to 9-way, hardware-wise? I don't play games that much either, but I think it is a big mistake to remove the option of a 9-way for developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jordy Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 How's this then, http://www.aqny59.dsl.pipex.com/ Before anyone asks, no i don't think it really exists yes I know it isn't an e200 sorry, can't remember where I found it :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo_dee Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Exactly what I had in mind! I just need the techinical specs for the connector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kevlar Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 It's too big!. You are not likely to carry that around with you are you?. No, it has to be nice and small like my ' Prototype ' :lol: Kevlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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