Guest J273 Posted January 2, 2004 Report Posted January 2, 2004 Hi,Just brought myself a new laptop and am wanting to share my main pcs broadband connection,Is it possible to share the connection with the main Pc over bluetooth via 2 bluetooth keys and if so would it be reliable and as fast browsing the net on the laptop as it would be on the main pc with the modem plugged in,Thanks in advance j273
Guest Gorskar Posted January 2, 2004 Report Posted January 2, 2004 Maybe - dunno, never heard of anyone using bluetooth for sharing a connection. The range of bluetooth is stated at around 10m, meaning you might just as well run a cable, as its not that portable. You're much better off with WI-FI (802.11b/g). Both the range and the bandwidth are better, and its a proven technology. Then it can also be used for general networking purposes such as games/file+print sharing also.
Guest mcwarre Posted January 2, 2004 Report Posted January 2, 2004 Windows (especially XP) is meant to allow a connection to be shared across more than one PC. Nearly impossible; it's easier to buy a router. Prove me wrong someone............. :wink: :wink:
Guest Taoski Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 It does work! Usually... :roll: A RJ45 crossover cable between the 2 PCs network cards is all that is needed. I bought a router in the end as it is much easier and more stable. I had a windows XP PC connected via the USB Modem and a 98 PC sharing the connection. The 98 PC was forever loosing the settings and i had to set it all up again using the network client disk setup type thing. Since getting a netgear ADSL hub/router... all is well and i am a much happier bunny!
Guest Taoski Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Oh.. and i did read this website review of a USB Bluetooth Dongle on that the data transfer rates between Bluetooth devices is 1MBit/s which translates to around 125KB/s, or double a standard cable-modem's speed. And you can also buy bluetooth adapters with a better range - 100m is the latest available i think
Guest mcwarre Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 It does work!Sharing broadband (thinking USB modem) over 2 PCs? How then???? A RJ45 crossover cable between the 2 PCs network cards is all that is needed. To network them not share connection? You have said that it does work but not how i.e. *prove it*! :wink:
Guest Taoski Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 The PC that connects using the USB modem shares the Internet connection. When you connect the 2 PCs together using the network cable so they can "see" eachother - you can then enable the other to connect to the internet using the others internet connection. It *does work* http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/usi...working/ics.asp
Guest mcwarre Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 It *does work* Is that why you bought a router? :) I run a 2000 user network and my missus is an IT Tech; trust me it doesn't work on broadband without some serious REGEDIT's. Most people will buy a router (also dispense of a USB modem and get one with an ethernet o/p) If in doubt ask Mono because he will agree with me (for once!!). :wink: :wink: If you can get it working then you can sell the info. Good luck...............
Guest idavid Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 just ordered one of these... http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopD...&ShopGroupID=38 yumm.... :)
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 I've had ICS working fine on XP Pro, sharing dialup with lan and wireless (not that hte same time...). Your problem was just odd mcwarre ;p Personally i use an old p1 133 box running IPCop (www.ipcop.org) as my cable router home. Works fine for all 3 PC's, my laptop and a PS2 with the online gaming modem.
Guest sponge Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 I started off with 2 PCs sharing an internet connection using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) it worked fine. You just need 2 Network cards (NICs), a crossover cable (different to a 'patch' cable) and setup the connection using XP's ICS Wizard. One of the downsides of using ICS is that the main PC needs to be on for the secondary PC to have an internet connection. It's for this reason I bought a router. Now all 3 of my PCs (and my XBox) have an internet connection, irrespective of whether the others are on or off. Many people that start off using ICS eventually go for the router setup. I see no reason why ICS cannot be utilised using BT adapters instead of NICs & cables. In fact, I seem to remember the option appearing when I installed my BT adapter. Probably a good idea to buy Class I BT adapters though, as the range is ~ 80-100 metres
Guest mcwarre Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Mono, I thought that it was near impossible to use a USB modem (alcatel speedtouch) sharing ICS? I have shared it with a dial-up (56K) tho? Or is it just me? Don't answer that btw....
Guest Taoski Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 So... does that mean it *does work* :)
Guest mcwarre Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Sharing broadband (thinking http://smartphone.MoDaCo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2361>USB Modem) over 2 PCs? How then???? I did say for a USB modem :!: :!:
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Mono, I thought that it was near impossible to use a http://smartphone.MoDaCo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2361>USB Modem (alcatel speedtouch) sharing ICS? I have shared it with a dial-up (56K) tho?My girlfriend has that modem here, so next time i'm at home i'll grab a cable and try sharing her broadband with my laptop. Or is it just me? Don't answer that btw.... ;p
Guest beersoft Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 if windows sees it as a dialup connection ICS will share it. hands up anyone who has shared the gprs connection on there phone to 4 pc's ?.................... just me, ok :) i would get a dsl router because that will just save loads of time getting things working later Owen "not doing dsl support anymore"
Guest Gorskar Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 USB ADSL modems act just like any other modem to windows, so theres no problem using ICS to share it. Still prefer using a router though.
Guest mcwarre Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 It's all well and good saying it will work; has anyone actually done it with a broadband adsl usb modem and used, say, IE from the client machine? :? :? :?
Guest beersoft Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 i have mcwarre. all you need is the host pc set to say 192.168.0.1 and ics enabled on that pc. and on the client pc's give them ip addresses of 192.168.0.2/3/4/5/6/7/8 and set the gateway to 192.168.0.1 all subnets should be 255.255.255.0 and then your cooking later Owen "having flashbacks from isp support days"
Guest Matt Kirby Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 ICS can also act as a DHCP server, dishing out IP addresses automatically to connected computers if you can't be bothered to set the IP addresses- in fact this is what Microsoft recomend for ICS because it's more noob friendly. However, using fixed IPs is slightly quicker (it cuts out DHCP requests) and more reliable (ICS DHCP can be a bit flakey). Personally I would recomend a broadband hub/router if you can get one, because you are not then relying on another computer for your net connection. If you are using ICS and can't get to any websites check that you can get to the host machine - try pinging it (eg: command window, "ping 192.168.0.1"). If it times out then there is a problem with the network side of things, rather than with the sharing of the _USB modem. Hope that helps.
Guest J273 Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 I have the Speedtouch USB Modem connected to my main pc and am wanting to share its connection with a laptop downstairs so can anyone recommend a cheap way of sharing its connection wirelessly ,And what Kit i would need,Thanks in advance.
Guest Matt Kirby Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Two WiFi cards setup in ad-hoc mode (rather than infrastructure mode), and ICS should do the trick. You should be able to get a WiFi PC Card (for the laptop, assuming that it doesn't already have WiFi), and a WiFi PCI card (for the desktop) for about 30 quid each - have a look on http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd3N1YmNhdGVnb3J5X3NlYXJjaA==&cat_uid=39>E-Buyer. A cheaper way (although not wireless) is to use a network crossover cable, 10-15m ones cost about a tenner (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd3N1YmNhdGVnb3J5X3BhZ2U=&subcat_uid=389>E-Buyer again). It is a bit ugly throwing a Cat5 cable down the stairs, but it will be more reliable than wireless and faster (although you'll only notice the speed on file copy between the two machines, not on web-surfing).
Guest J273 Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 so is that all i need two wifi cards ,one PCI for the main pc and one PCMCIA For the laptop.
Guest Gorskar Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Yup. Assuming you dont want to replace that wireless PCI card in the PC with a wireless access point (for further expandability). The PC would then connect to the wireless access point with a cable, and the laptop would connect using it's wireless PCMCIA card.
Guest J273 Posted January 4, 2004 Report Posted January 4, 2004 Ok,Thanks guys just last one quick question about the wireless access point where does it connect to,is it between the phone line and pc with Ethernet plug
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