Guest Paul [MVP] Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Fellow MVP and top chap Neil Cowburn writes on his blog: Camera phones are becoming more and more prevalent these days. In fact, I doubt a carrier would want to ship a phone without a camera because of the potential for increased ARPU (average revenue per user). The Smartphone devices built by HTC have had a camera (in one form or another) since the early days of the original SPV (remember that plug-in camera? I still have one somewhere). This metamorphosed into an integrated camera in the HTC Voyager (SPV E200) and HTC Himalaya device (XDA II/MDA II, etc). A rather cool thing about these two devices is that the software used for taking pictures uses the same underlying API, which means it is theoretically possible to write a wrapper which will work on both the Himalaya Pocket PC Phone Edition and on the Voyager Smartphone. Well, I've done just that. Below is a link to a Zip archive containing the source for the wrapper as well as samples in C# and in VB.NET for the XDA II and SPV E200 (these are the devices I've tested this on). On the SPV E200, the configuration options are limited by the hardware to the following: Image capture is limited to: JPEG file format VGA/QVGA/QQVGA resolutions Landscape orientation Video capture is limited to: AVI file format QCIF/QQCIF resolutions Landscape orientation Any attempt to use options other than these on the SPV E200 will not result in successful capture. Comments, suggestions for improvements, etc. can be directed to me via email. Also, I'd love to know how you plan on using the code. You can download the library and view the full blog post here. Enjoy! :) P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brody Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Nice! Definately worth a look! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beersoft Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 cool!!! now i have to learn c#/.net stuff :) later Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest arunhallan Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I dont get the significance? Cant we just use the software on the phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cactusbob Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Bit tricky for you Beery 8) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kevlar Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 This needs more explaining, I'm thinking the same as arunhallan atm, why? Kevlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest londonlad Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 its more one for them, in that one app will work on both e200 and xda2, so increases revenue. But now that the underlying API has been discovered (with examples provided) can someone make a... :idea: Bluetooth webcam :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ajb3000 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Why are we limited to AVI capture only? Any ideas? Seems strange when the c500 supposedly has the same exact camera and can capture in 3GP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeilC_MVP Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I don't have a C500 to test on. That's why. edit: Also capturing to H263 format isn't supported on the E200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeilC_MVP Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 ... the underlying API has been discovered ... I'm not using any of the underlying APIs as they are hidden and undocumented AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ajb3000 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Also capturing to H263 format isn't supported on the E200. That's what I was asking, how can the e200 be limited by hardware to only record in AVI format, when the c500 which uses the same camera hardware can record in H263. Any file format differences would surely be in software? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeilC_MVP Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'm not aware of the capabilities or the hardware in the C500, so my original statement stands, given the hardware and software I have at my disposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Foot Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 That's what I was asking, how can the e200 be limited by hardware to only record in AVI format, when the c500 which uses the same camera hardware can record in H263. Any file format differences would surely be in software? Neil's code doesn't work directly with the camera hardware, as already noted the API is not documented. Instead it interfaces with the camera capture software on the device - on camera equipped HTC devices this is built by IA (who are now owned by HTC). Therefore any new formats supported by the C500 are within this IA Camera software (The E200 has v 2.0, I'm not sure what version ships on the C500). So while the camera hardware may be exactly the same, the software is what takes the raw data from the sensor and writes it into an image/video file. Which means that technically this code could be altered to support new formats on the C500, with a little bit of information about the format identifiers and a C500 device to test on. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'll be working with Neil to ensure the C500 features are fully supported... at least until someone donates him a phone! He he... P Posted from my SmartPhone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Animefan Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Okay I dont get this, what is it for if we cant use it to anything? :roll: I may be a hopless newbie but what is the big use of this thing? Pls tell me.. Does it mean we can use 4xzoom on 640x480 pics? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeilC_MVP Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 This is a way for developers to captures images and video using the integrated camera from a .NET Compact Framework application. That's all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest www.msmobiles.com Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 This is a way for developers to captures images and video using the integrated camera from a .NET Compact Framework application. That's all it is. yeah, it can spawn some interesting applications! I myself have seen (sample, not commercial) applications for MS Smartphone that were making a photo of a bar code and then recognizing it to a number, and that number can be pushed to internet to read some additional information. For example you make a photo of a barcode of a DVD and the program recognizes this DVD and connects to Internet page with additional informaiton about this DVD... etc etc etc... many applications possible but of course it all depends on willingness of developers to use this library to make some interesting software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob.P Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 So Paul let us know when you have set something up to take donations from us towards a C500 for Neil to test on, I'm in (and so MoDaCo the software company was born) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest a_rebel_spy Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 So who's workin on a webcam for the e200? :P :) -arebelspy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest phAn Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 or - even better, at least in my case :) - for the c500? It must be possible. I've tried using the MS Mobile Powertools ActiveSync Remote Display as a videostream source, but it's just too much of a hassle. Besides, it's too slow. It really would be handy to be able to use my phone as a webcam on occasion. Oh well, perhaps I should just buy one *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest a15184 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Hi people.. still no developments in a camera API for the c500?? This would be really intersting as Im planning to port my augmented reality application (for pocketpc) to smartphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Foot Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Hi people.. still no developments in a camera API for the c500?? This would be really intersting as Im planning to port my augmented reality application (for pocketpc) to smartphone. This code works with the C500, it just doesn't have the constants in there to support new formats introduced with the version of the camera software on the C500 (v2.5) - MPEG-4 and H.263 video Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wizzle Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 (edited) Hi guys, I have a problem with the use of Neil Cowburn's library. In fact when I launch the sample code for smartphone on my SPV E200, I get an error "Warning! Please check the options you have configured for the camera." when the capture is done and the program tries to go back to the main application. Since it is the sample code given with the Cowburn.Imaging library, just get it here. I think it is because the camera application is not closed properly, because there is a display bug then I leave the sample application. Display looks like in 16 color mode and some pictures in the photo album have transparent areas that let me see camera is active, that is to say, when I move the E200, I can see the camera is still in action and draw what it sees in the "transparent" areas of the screen. It's not really easy to describe the phenomenon, but I hope that you have understood my problem. Since I have no idea how the API of the IA Camera application works, it is really difficult for me to fix the problem, and I hope that some of you can help :D Thanks Edited April 14, 2005 by Wizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wizzle Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 after some tests it seems that the wrapper doesn't configure well the Camera application of the smartphone and that makes display's bugs when the camera application is closed. Does somebody have clues about IA Camera application API so I can correct this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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