Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 All new aircraft especialy millitary have intense testing with all sorts of radio waves being fired at them, main reason is low-level flying as mobile phone base stations are more powerfull then our phones. Remember new aircraft do not have mecanical linkages and so rely on electronics only so interferance from a mobile signal could be possible. More info @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/750893.stm excerpt below Mobile phone calls made by passengers on aeroplanes can seriously affect the aircraft's on board equipment, The Civil Aviation Authority carried out tests on two parked aircraft at Gatwick Airport to find out the potential dangers of mobile phone use. It found evidence that calls produced interference levels which could disrupt aircraft systems. Faults that could be attributed to mobile phones use include false cockpit warnings, the malfunctioning of aircraft systems, interference in pilots' headsets and the distraction of cabin crews from their normal duties.
Guest spvman Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 To UKmailserver: Re-read my post and then try to understand where i'm coming from - if your narrow minded outlook on life will permit. When I come accross a post as ignorant as the one I was replying to then yes I admit that perhaps my fingers overtake my brain a little and I become slightly less articulate - hey I'm only human. However, I stand by my comments - after the troubles of the year b4 last I would have thought it would be clear to all but the lowest level of pond life that when on an aircraft the rules are there for a reason - safety of hundreds of other people or at the very least peace of mind of fellow passengers. The last thing anyone wants to see is some tw*t (oh look another 4 letter word) arguing with a steward or stewardess or disregarding perfectly simple rules - its not as if you can get off the thing if you dont like their behaviour. Personally speaking if I was on a flight and saw anyone giving these good folks hassle of this or any other kind I would have no hesitation in putting them very firmly in their place - whatever it took. Anyway..enough of my valuable time wasted in replying to you.. feel free to write whatever comments you like - i shall not be visiting this forum again (not cos I dont think its a great forum - it is - well done Paul) because I shall shortly no longer be an spv owner (Yeeeeha) - see my post in the main section.
Guest muude Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Yesterday I was out flying while using my SPV.... I played Interstellar flames, and when I started the game, I took over control of the plane... THEREFORE: DO NOT PLAY INTERSTELLAR FLAMES WHILE FLYING!!
Guest muude Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Wonder what would have happened if I had played Slurp!....
Guest ukmailserver Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 Wind up the key and let it go. Weeeeeeeeeee Barry
Guest Saracen Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 Unfortunately some stewardesses are absolutely clueless. One guy on a flight I was on recently was using his palm and the stewardess asked him if it was "digital or battery", as you're not allowed to use them on flights! Midflight it was too! Now just what is digital or battery? And they wouldn't let me use my Minidisc either, apparently the lasers cause interference!
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 No as good as: radio waves emited from mobiles create electrical circuits, this being the reason you are not allowed to use mobiles on petrol station forecourts
Guest Rob.P Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 THE EASIEST SOLUTION This worked for me and many of my friends. You know who you are flying with so, email them and tell them your intention, send them the link for the tech details for the phone if nes. Then if they reply saying it is okay to use, print out email take with you on flight and either as you are boarding or once you have lifted off tell the stewards/ess' and show them the letter, worked for gameboy and SPV. The first time the letter was taken to the pilot and he seemed fine with it, then proceeded to play gameboy all the way to greece (well not all the way, had to fit in a small kip as well :D ) With the SPV the cockpit crew seemed quite impressed and the word was the co-pilot was gonna get one. General rule being that if you explain clearly your intention/way of thinking as honestly as possible then you can do most things, cause people are in the picture. Hope that helps, have to do it again for the SPV when I go to Thailand in March so will contact them in mid Feb.
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 Was that with ur SPV in Radio off mode? Or did they still allow you to leave the phone fully active to show off msn and piss off Orange for screwing up their cell allowcation to ur phnoe :D
Guest Rob.P Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 :D No that was with radio off, hence why you might have to send them the URL for tech specs just to prove that you can use phone with no radio sigs
Guest Bazz Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 At the end of the day is it really necessary? Can you all really not survive for an hour or two without it?
Guest icornish Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 As a former aerospace electronics designer (Yes, I *used* to design the electrics in those big babies, loved the A340 wings - real bugger when they added the extra engines!), I can testify that mobiles do indeed have the potential to really screw up the plane. But that said, we designers used to build in and specify much tougher protection for RF interference than most other things. The electronics on the wings of the A340 are so over engineered and over specced that it could (in theory) fly through a sun spot. Except it might melt. But the RF generated would not cause the electrics to go wrong. Also, planes these days have several backup systems. The A340 has 5 (I think - I did wings, not control) different computers (hardware and software) to check and recheck the pilot and the data are in agreement. Pretty complex stuff, but the risk is real, especially on older aircraft. Watch out in Moscow - the Tupolevs tend to hit the tarmac hard. Pray they put the wheels down first.
Guest neuronisis Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 The thing is i have a long flight to Thailand, 11 hours non stop. If it were only a couple of hours i wouldn't bother, but i've done this trip before and if you're like me and have trouble sleeping when on a plane, you tend to get very bored So i'll think i might e-mail the airline as suggested above. So back to my original question at the start of the post, if i'm sucessful in using my SPV(Radio off, stewards/stewardess/pilot etc etc happy) how long do you guys think the battery will last watching movies? Cheers ;) 8)
Guest ajb3000 Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 also what link did you give for the tech specs of the SPV? I'll e-mail BA this evening once I know what link to send them! Cheers.
Guest Rob.P Posted January 15, 2003 Report Posted January 15, 2003 On the first occassion I sent in URL for the Orange website and they seemed happy with that even though it doesn't mention the Radio Off function, last time (as my girlfriend reminded me lastnight) I actually proved to one of the staff by giving them my phone number (which was included in my details anyway), they phoned it, it worked, I switched Radio Off, it didn't work, whole process took 5 mins. Next time though when I go to Thailand I'm thinking of giving them the Orange tech support number, which would be even easier. Another thought has just occurred to me, I'm going to email Orange and ask them to state on their website under the phone details to mention that radio can be turned off, I'll let you know what their reply is.
Guest ajb3000 Posted January 16, 2003 Report Posted January 16, 2003 I e-mailed BA and got the following reply: "Dear Mr xxx, Please call your local sales office or general enquires department for further assistance to your queries. The numbers can be found on ba.com at: http://www.britishairways.com/inside/wrldw.../docs/rs1.shtml Thank you for contacting us. Mitesh British Airways Next time you have a question, simply go to http://www.ba.com/askba" How is that supposed to help me? I can't show the stewerdess a telephone conversation, and I doubt the people on the telephone have access to the internet to confirm the radio can be turned off?!?
Guest dbcohen Posted January 16, 2003 Report Posted January 16, 2003 This is all about potential... Potentially, a mobile phone could interfere with an aircraft's systems - in practice, they rarely do. Worth noting that on Sep 11th 2001, the passengers on the hijacked planes used mobiles as well as the aircraft phones to call their loved ones. Similarly, in hospitals, mobiles could potentially interfere with equipment. In practice, many surgeons and anaesthetists flout the rules and use their phone in operating theatres! I have heard of local flash fires around fuel filler caps caused by a ringing mobile phone. It is sparks from the backlight and speaker assemblies that are the culprits there. Unfortunately, is there is a stipulated rule banning use of phones/pdas/laptops/minidiscs/gameboys, then you break it at your peril. A guy got successfully prosecuted for playing games on his mobile while in flight and refusing to stop when asked, last year. In that case, radio off might save you in court, but who wants the hassle?
Guest Tony Mc Posted January 16, 2003 Report Posted January 16, 2003 hey, could someone explain how you are storing your movies..... by movies do you mean full length films??? how the hell are you storing them on the phone? i would also like to know where i move video clips to on the phone.... as i want to put a few on there. a very Baffled Tony
Guest ajb3000 Posted January 16, 2003 Report Posted January 16, 2003 Full length movies take up around 70MB when compresed and resized and to fit the phone display, so as long as you have a 128MB+ SD/MMC card you can fit them on. You can put the clips practicaly anywhere as Media Players searches for them, but I suggest you put them in 'My Documents' on the SD/MMC card just to keep things tidy. What airlines have people successfully e-mailed and been told whether they can use it or not? I was not impressed with BAs response, sounded like they just couldn't be bothered.
Guest mike-oh Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 The reason why mobile phones and the likes aren't allowed on petrol station forecourts (from what i've heard) is in case you drop them and the battery comes out. In such an event the contacts on the device and battery would become seperated but close enough to create a spark. So there you go!
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 What about the fact they are transmitting microwave radiation? Metal item in you microwave at home experiment ;)
Guest HelloDave Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 The reason as I understand it is that the microwaves can interfere with the fuel measurement on the pumps (like the aircraft theory) so you might end up paying too much or (shock horror!) too little! Don't think the battery coming out would be much of a problem - have you ever seen one spark; if that was the case surely then all electrical devices on forecourts would be banned. If the air in petrol stations was that volatile then driving a hot car into it would be far more likely to cause an explosion!
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I reckon it's all crap ;) OT: What on earth is your avatar? And if you're Andy, why 'HelloDave'? P
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Avatar looks like an ewok out of starwars and the hello dave bit could be that he's an only fool and horses fan Just my guess ;) we could have a new competition :lol:
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