SPV C500

[Guest Confucious]

I'sn't it best just to download from Orange themselves?

[Guest ccezar2004]

so... did anyone do a WM2005 install on a c500?

[Guest Tech]

DO NOT download illegal files. period. why screw up your phone and get "busted" by the network operator in case if your phone gets busted? you will not only void your warrenty but apperently also will fine you for doing this.

If you are an MVP etc... then they will have sent details on what to do.

That's all I have to say. Either wait until your contract expires to get a new device with WM5 (i.e imate SP5m) or buy the device with WM5

simple request :)

[Guest fluffcat1]

you will not only void your warrenty but apperently also will fine you for doing this.

Eh? Hand's up who's been fined then......you NAUGHTY people.

Never heard of this happening before. Source?

Richard

[Guest Tech]

Eh? Hand's up who's been fined then......you NAUGHTY people.

Never heard of this happening before. Source?

Richard

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source: orange

as well as this, I know a good friend who works for a company who gives their employees the smartphones and thats pretty much what they were saying too. And to add to that - the same for me for the company i work for!

But orange themselves have said this - its to crack down, in a sense, illegal software (damn right should be too!) and also the time spent to replace the hardware on the phone due to illegal OS's being installed on the phone. It's not easy to "wipe" it off.

[Guest Confucious]

I have seen WM5 on a C500 and it screws up the camera and the downsides fr outweigh the upsides.

Even if it wasn't illegal I would not recomend it to anyone.

[Guest fluffcat1]

source: orange

as well as this, I know a good friend who works for a company who gives their employees the smartphones and thats pretty much what they were saying too. And to add to that - the same for me for the company i work for!

But orange themselves have said this - its to crack down, in a sense, illegal software (damn right should be too!) and also the time spent to replace the hardware on the phone due to illegal OS's being installed on the phone. It's not easy to "wipe" it off.

Errrm, but *how* can they fine you? Under what mechanism of law or their own terms? They are not the copyright holders of the illegal rom if you are using one so cannot sue you for using that, and you are the owner of the hardware, so what business is it of theirs? And how would they know? So how can they 'crack down'? Most people who hack their roms wouldn't be daft enough to send it back to HTC for repair without downgrading, and Orange don't do any repairs themselves, so again, how would they know? They can't interorgate a handset over the air to find it's OS.

Saying your source is 'orange' and then adding no details isn't very helpful. Web address? Legislation? I can't find anything in orange UK's TOS that says they can 'fine' you for using illegal software on a handset on their network. They can shut your handset off the network, but not fine you.

http://www.orange.co.uk/terms.html

"6.4.6 use only Devices and Accessories approved for use with the Network, and comply with all relevant legislation or regulation relating to their use."

"12.3 The software in the SIM Card and the Device is either owned by or licensed to Orange which grants you a non-exclusive licence to use it for accessing the Services for the duration of your Contract and not otherwise."

"14.1 Your Device and Accessories are acquired by you outside the terms of your Contract. "

"18.4 your maximum liability

Subject to Condition 18.1, your liability is limited to payment of all outstanding Charges due in accordance with the provisions of your Contract. "

According to

"4.6 termination of your contract by Orange without written notice

We reserve the right to terminate your contract immediately at any time in respect of any or all of the Devices owned by you, in whole or in part without notice to you if:

4.6.1 we have good reason for believing that you have breached Conditions 6.4.2, 6.4.3, 6.4.4 or 6.4.5, 6.4.8, 6.4.9, 6.4.10, 6.4.11 or

4.6.2 you haven't complied with one or more of the terms of your Contract and do not correct the breach within 7 days of being asked by us in writing to do so. "

Notice under clause 4.6.1, that clause 6.4.6 isn't listed as a valid reason for terminating your contract without notice. But they could ask you to stop using the phone and you'd have seven days to do so. If they knew you were using it ;-)

The only thing I can think of that it may affect is a handset's BABT approval in this country, and even then, that's not upto the networks to regulate / enforce, it's the manufacturer's that apply for the licences / imei allocations.

According to their own terms, the maximum liability is your remaining line rental

*if* they cut you off. Which from my reading of the terms, they can't for using 'illegal' software on a handset. They certainly can't fine you from what I've read. If someone has some PROOF of this from Orange post it or link to it from here. Please don't just post anecdotal evidence, it doesn't help.

Richard

[Guest user888]

Hi,

I've some experience with WM5 on the C500. My short answer is: don't do it.

My experiences can be found on three pages (sorry, written in Dutch, please use babelfish or something):

Windows Mobile 5 on Orange SPV C500

http://www.ruwebit.net/article/118

Back to WM2003

http://www.ruwebit.net/article/119

WM5 look on WM2003

http://www.ruwebit.net/article/120

So, hope you can do something with this info ;-)

Greetings,

user888

Errrm, but *how* can they fine you? Under what mechanism of law or their own terms? They are not the copyright holders of the illegal rom if you are using one so cannot sue you for using that, and you are the owner of the hardware, so what business is it of theirs? And how would they know? So how can they 'crack down'? Most people who hack their roms wouldn't be daft enough to send it back to HTC for repair without downgrading, and Orange don't do any repairs themselves, so again, how would they know? They can't interorgate a handset over the air to find it's OS.

Saying your source is 'orange' and then adding no details isn't very helpful. Web address? Legislation? I can't find anything in orange UK's TOS that says they can 'fine' you for using illegal software on a handset on their network. They can shut your handset off the network, but not fine you.

http://www.orange.co.uk/terms.html

"6.4.6 use only Devices and Accessories approved for use with the Network, and comply with all relevant legislation or regulation relating to their use."

"12.3 The software in the SIM Card and the Device is either owned by or licensed to Orange which grants you a non-exclusive licence to use it for accessing the Services for the duration of your Contract and not otherwise."

"14.1 Your Device and Accessories are acquired by you outside the terms of your Contract. "

"18.4 your maximum liability

Subject to Condition 18.1, your liability is limited to payment of all outstanding Charges due in accordance with the provisions of your Contract. "

According to

"4.6 termination of your contract by Orange without written notice

We reserve the right to terminate your contract immediately at any time in respect of any or all of the Devices owned by you, in whole or in part without notice to you if:

4.6.1 we have good reason for believing that you have breached Conditions 6.4.2, 6.4.3, 6.4.4 or 6.4.5, 6.4.8, 6.4.9, 6.4.10, 6.4.11 or

4.6.2 you haven't complied with one or more of the terms of your Contract and do not correct the breach within 7 days of being asked by us in writing to do so. "

Notice under clause 4.6.1, that clause 6.4.6 isn't listed as a valid reason for terminating your contract without notice. But they could ask you to stop using the phone and you'd have seven days to do so. If they knew you were using it ;-)

The only thing I can think of that it may affect is a handset's BABT approval in this country, and even then, that's not upto the networks to regulate / enforce, it's the manufacturer's that apply for the licences / imei allocations.

According to their own terms, the maximum liability is your remaining line rental

*if* they cut you off. Which from my reading of the terms, they can't for using 'illegal' software on a handset. They certainly can't fine you from what I've read. If someone has some PROOF of this from Orange post it or link to it from here. Please don't just post anecdotal evidence, it doesn't help.

Richard

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