Guest DJHope Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 More news on quake very soon, have had some tremedious progress within the last day, waiting for some more news before reporting. Technically the stance on signing our apps would be 1) Raise the required £400 for application singing 2) Test application until ready to be signed 3) Get limited company to apply for 75 signatures 4) Sign and disribute application freely Their should be no problem with the GNU license since the application would not be charged for, quake is far to alpha to be considering singing yet. However taking a long term view this is not just for quake, 75 applications could be theortically signed. Anyone have any ideas on how to collect money, i believe that paypal do a donation service. Maybe we could get baltimore to take the money until we reach the 400 mark were they could give us the package? Obviously we would need respected members of the smartphone community on board such as paul. Cheers People. DJ Hope
Guest Firaas Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Paypal don't support enough cards - it would work as long as there was other means to pay, I have a solo card, or I can use bank transfer. Paul - reckon you could take bank transfers for handling the £400? By the way, got a limited company if needed.
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Yeah, I could manage the donations no problem, I have a seperate bank account for forum related matters. I'm also happy to co-ordinate the 75 signings. I think that's 75 files tho, so Quake might be an EXE and a CAB, using 2 signings? This would be a better option than PayPal. NoChex.co.uk might be ideal tho? P
Guest Firaas Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Problem is that they charge senders £1 per transaction from card - that's £50 if all the users donate through it, an eighth of the amount required...
Guest muff Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Hi all first off I'd like to thank DJHope for his enthusiasm for the project. The reason for the post is just to say that although Dade and I are working on making Quake run on the SPV - it is a LONG way off being a final and stable thing. It is based off the PocketQuake project which itself acknowledges its own instability - and a lot of the credit for the conversion should go to them, they have already done a lot of work that made the SPV version possible. So if you want to download code yourselves it is out there. I HAVE now managed to create a version that runs under the emulator (60fps even - though the actual phone version runs far slower), but for true development testing I do need access to a phone - and using someones daily phone is generally a bad idea in case things go wrong. I think that the discussion of certificates is far too early for this project, but is a good discussion to have for projects in general. I'd suggest opening up a main discussion topic to that end. I would ask that everyone give us some time to work on this, it's a long road to making a version that is small enough, stable enough and runs fast enough to even consider certification. thanks for your patience and support, muff
Guest DJHope Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Thanks for commenting muff, this does seem to have turned into a generalised chat on getting legitamate freeware out into the market but as you know this is mainly because quake is GNU and serve's as an excelent example. I also wanted to prove that people DO want freeware on their SPV's although i imagine that is fairly obvious, it does sometimes require evidence. I really hope you continue the project muff, i have herd that you have made some great advances well done. I myself am a HUGE fan of ID Software they never fail to amaze me with what exactly they manage to achieve, mainly due to the amazing coding skills of john carmack. I have been playing ID's games since commander keen from way back when. I hope that you guys will continue to support freeware on the SPV and id like to thank muff for giving me a viable example of what can be achieved if we persevere. Id love to see other freeware apps such as doom and more productive freeware apps such as my tools. Remember to stick up for the little people, bill gates was their one day so it must be us that make the difference. Take it easy people, DJ Hope
Guest Firaas Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 So I've been thinking this over. I think porting PocketPC games to the SPV deserves recognition in terms of a seperate website altogether - perhaps a SmartQuake project, or something of the sort as a division of MoDaCo. It may then be possible to find muff & dade sponsors for such a project, part of the money with which they could purchase phones to continue development. I know that I, myself, would be happy to donate £10 or so to such a cause. Just a thought.
Guest MBoden Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Although i find the idea of a community certificate good, and i would gladly make a couple of freeware programs and let the community have them, BUT who will decide what get signed ? there's one certificate left and a game and a tool that needs to get signed, who decides ? do you have to chip in to download the signed apps/games ? Sorry to be the devils advocate PS: Paul , if I win the 1000 euros i'll put 100 Euros in the pot :wink:
Guest DJHope Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Maybe you could take a vote on the smartphone forum! Obviously their will have to be some trusted beta testers such as the modaco modertors and trusted memebers, unlocked phones would be essential for this. Also chipping in to download the software *MIGHT* be a problem under GNU. Not entirely sure. All could be decided in due course ;) DJ Hope
Guest Firaas Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 GNU or GPL?before> Aha, found answer to my own question - the GNU GPL! http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
Guest MBoden Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 I know at least parts of the Mame port i'm doing prohibits charging for the software i would say that the software should be free, you chip in to support the community , right ?
Guest meaks Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 your porting MAME? How's that going? That would be just as good as Quake !
Guest spacemonkey Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 As far as running out of signings is confirmed, I would hope that once you're a part of the baltimore system, and you've thrown in the initial outlay of 500 quid for 75 signings that you could extend that by smaller amounts as you needed more signings. So since that's only like 8 quid per sign, then it's not gonna be a big issue. I heard someone earlier mention that it's 75 signed files, I was under the impression it was signed apps. Also if you use a sign and then realise theirs some dumb bug, you can fix and resign the app free within 7 days of the first sign. Also with Quake as an example, you'd sign the exe and cab installer (if you wanted to cab install) and all the data files can be left unsigned. I have been looking at porting GnuBoy PocketPC edition which is a GPL gameboy emulator. Not going too well, cos my C is very rusty. The people who ported it to Pocket PC used MFC so I've gotta strip all that framework back out etc.... dang...
Guest meaks Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 hehe keep at it - Zelda on the GB was fantastic !
Guest MBoden Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Meaks > the Mame port is progressing ,not as fast as i like, but the emulation starts up now check the screenshot in this thread http://www.modaco.com/viewtopic...=1899&start=180 i'll be taking tomorrow off from Mame to do a small notepad app though
Guest weswes19 Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Hey Guys heres an idea, if we all chip in about £8 each then could we get the Quake thing going hers the thing I dont mind doing this Im sure the rest of you dont either £4 toward the signing app the other £4 to the devloper for funding to contiune the project etc, from what I read Paul already has the company and the bank account to do this? What you think?
Guest Firaas Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 £4 each would mean around 100 people are required for the app signing, which would probably delay it, considerably (well, double the time that it would take otherwise). I think we should all choose how much we wish to donate, for each cause, as if there's a "fixed guideline", there are bound to be people who don't think it's satisfactory (either too high or too low).
Guest Gorskar Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Yes definately. If you put eg, £10 as as a suggested donation, but obviously people can choose to donate anything they like into the pot, less if they cant afford much, but want to help, and more if they want to get this going as quick as possible!
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 We need some apps to sign first...
Guest spacemonkey Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Also, remember at the end of the day, I'm keen to donate to help the community as a whole, but it's not going to benefit me overly cos my phone doesn't need certified apps. I'd say we need some apps available unsigned and being used and proved by the unsigned phone people, then set up a donation scheme and hopefully you'll gain a lot of interest from people who don't want to unlock their phones.
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Ah, but your phone may need certified apps in the very near future if (when?) Orange close the security loophole. P
Guest spacemonkey Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 True, but as we established in some other thread yonks ago, baltimore app signing won't help development it'll only help release of completed software. So unless the Orange developer program actually started working properly when they close the hole we'd be back to square one.
Guest weswes19 Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Ok so lets say now who is prepared to put in £10 lets just see how many people reply and how much we can get together I say now I will give £10
Guest spacemonkey Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Maybe a POLL (Paul) would be an easier way to measure this interest? With like, I'd give £10, I'd give £5 and I'm not interested as options. Although I think lots of people would donate so it's really a question of the method rather than anything else. There must be simple and cheap methods considering sites like : http://www.giveboobs.com/index.html
Guest Firaas Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Heh, I feel sorry for http://giveshlong.com
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