Push Email & Exchange Servers

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I presume exchange can sync with more than 1 device at the same time?

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Exchange Server can sync with as many devices as you connect to it. Different devices can be set to sync differently aswell, so a smartphone could receive only the Inbox and the first 1k of a message. A Pocket Pc Phone could sync Inbox and various subfolders and receive say the first 5k of each message.

[Guest chucky.egg]

...a mobile device that is Exchange Active Sync'ing it can only reply as the the main Exchange Account nominated email address....

Er, not sure I follow

what I said was: switch to the other accounts, download headers and reply to the message in question

So you're not replying from the Exchange sync's account using another address, you're replying from the independent mailboxes.

Might be a moot point, cos it's not a pretty solution, but am I missing something?

[Guest Pagemakers]

Blimey this is complicated - even you guys who use Exchange have different opinions!!

At the moment I have about 4 different domains (email accounts) on my local version of Outlook (pop based).

If I want to send an email from domain1 I just create a new email and send say, using account 1 etc.

So.....If I have 4 domains and I am using exchange, do I need 4 accounts or just 1? Reading the 1&1 setup guide there appears to only be one place to put the 'from' address. 1&1 charge about £7 (inc vat) for an exchange server with 1 account. If I need 4 email accounts that is nearly 30 quid a month just for 4 email addresses.

Why on earth is it so expensive? What can't I have unlimited accounts like I can at the moment? What am I missing here?

[Guest kipnlar]

I have had a 1and1 Exchange accoung for a while here in the US. It looks like they offer the same thing in the UK. I have been happy with it. They do have push email here as I just updated the rom on my SP5. When I configured my exchange account on the phone, it configured as push email. I sent a test message from another account and it worked.

Unless it gets changed in future versions of Exchange and Outlook, Outlook only supports using one exchange accout at a time. You can set up more than one on a computer by using profiles, but you can only have one per profile. So I would say that if you end up with 4 exchange accounts, you will need to set up 4 profiles in Outlook on your pc. As far as I can tell, the smartphone Outlook only supports one exchange account and does not have profiles.

The 1and1 control panel allows you to user whatever email@domain you want for your email address. This will be the email used as the reply address form you computer and phone. You cannot change this within Outlook. I have set up Outlook on my pc with offline folders, so each time I start it, it syncs new messages/changes with my offline file. I also have archiving set up in outlook, so older messages get archived off to a pst file.

I would suggest using exchange with your primary email and then regular pop with your other emails.

Let me know if you have any questions about my experience with 1and1 exchange.

[Guest spacerace]

Er, not sure I follow

what I said was: switch to the other accounts, download headers and reply to the message in question

So you're not replying from the Exchange sync's account using another address, you're replying from the independent mailboxes.

Might be a moot point, cos it's not a pretty solution, but am I missing something?

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Sorry understand what you're saying now. Have multiple accounts on the mobile device aswell ? Yes that would work, but as you mentioned - a messy solution. You'd also pay double for messages you wanted to reply to from the additional accounts ?

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Blimey this is complicated - even you guys who use Exchange have different opinions!!

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Well the discusions are based around how best to achieve what you want - the ability to have an exchange based account, yet retain the feature of being able to read/reply to multiple identities.

At the moment I have about 4 different domains (email accounts) on my local version of Outlook (pop based).

If I want to send an email from domain1 I just create a new email and send say, using account 1 etc.

So.....If I have 4 domains and I am using exchange, do I need 4 accounts or just 1?  Reading the 1&1 setup guide there appears to only be one place to put the 'from' address.  1&1 charge about £7 (inc vat) for an exchange server with 1 account. If I need 4 email accounts that is nearly 30 quid a month just for 4 email addresses.

Why on earth is it so expensive?  What can't I have unlimited accounts like I can at the moment?  What am I missing here?

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Bottom line - a single Exchange account cannot directly achieve what you want i.e. send/receive multiple identities.

As kipnlar stated, Exchange only supports the receiving AND sending of 1 identity. You can have multiple Exchange accounts on a pc using profiles in windows or outlook. Mobile Devices currently only allow ONE Exchange active sync profile.

Various providers allow you to collect multiple accounts into your Exchange one but sending via the Exchange account has to be as the primary identity. The only way to SEND as multiple identites on the mobile device is to create them as multiple POP/IMAP accounts on the device - as suggested by chucky.egg

Hope that makes some sort of sense !

[Guest Pagemakers]

I have had a 1and1 Exchange accoung for a while here in the US.  It looks like they offer the same thing in the UK.  I have been happy with it.  They do have push email here as I just updated the rom on my SP5.  When I configured my exchange account on the phone, it configured as push email.  I sent a test message from another account and it worked. 

Unless it gets changed in future versions of Exchange and Outlook, Outlook only supports using one exchange accout at a time.  You can set up more than one on a computer by using profiles, but you can only have one per profile.  So I would say that if you end up with 4 exchange accounts, you will need to set up 4 profiles in Outlook on your pc.  As far as I can tell, the smartphone Outlook only supports one exchange account and does not have profiles. 

The 1and1 control panel allows you to user whatever email@domain you want for your email address.  This will be the email used as the reply address form you computer and phone.  You cannot change this within Outlook.  I have set up Outlook on my pc with offline folders, so each time I start it, it syncs new messages/changes with my offline file.  I also have archiving set up in outlook, so older messages get archived off to a pst file. 

I would suggest using exchange with your primary email and then regular pop with your other emails. 

Let me know if you have any questions about my experience with 1and1 exchange.

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Thanks kipnlar that answers many questions.

I'll have a sleep on it. I'm sure there will be more questions to come ;)

PS: Just caught your post spacerace - yes it is starting to make sense now!

Edited March 24, 2006 by Pagemakers

[Guest Doublevision]

Thought I would make my first post on this board. 8)

Hello to all!

After reading all these items and having recently upgraded the ROM to AKU2 on my C600, I thought I would set-up an Exchange host just to try it before deciding on push e-mail (and deciding if the expense is worth it, especially from a data point of view being with Orange).

I have set up an free Exchange account at Mail2web.com - known as Mail2Web Live service. A little limiting but free (except of course data charges). It has allowed the setting up of an Exchange based e-mail account and allows syncing of e-mail, contact list and calendar. It does not allow true push e-mailing (although it does allow the old SMS based version).

Gives an idea of the way the Outlook feature looks on the internet (Outlook Web Access) and its functionality plus setting up ActiveSync for the service.

In the respect of a single e-mail address, there is only one for sending and recieving. I use a pop3 address so I auto forward to the Exchange mail box and I then can send from the pop3 address using my phone.

Cancelling the account looks as simple as pressing a link in it's control panel (fingers crossed).

Hope this helps.

[Guest spacerace]

Thought I would make my first post on this board. 8)

Hello to all!

After reading all these items and having recently upgraded the ROM to AKU2 on my C600, I thought I would set-up an Exchange host just to try it before deciding on push e-mail (and deciding if the expense is worth it, especially from a data point of view being with Orange).

I have set up an free Exchange account at Mail2web.com - known as Mail2Web Live service.  A little limiting but free (except of course data charges).  It has allowed the setting up of an Exchange based e-mail account and allows syncing of e-mail, contact list and calendar.  It does not allow true push e-mailing (although it does allow the old SMS based version). 

Gives an idea of the way the Outlook feature looks on the internet (Outlook Web Access) and its functionality plus setting up ActiveSync for the service.

In the respect of a single e-mail address, there is only one for sending and recieving.  I use a pop3 address so I auto forward to the Exchange mail box and I then can send from the pop3 address using my phone.

Cancelling the account looks as simple as pressing a link in it's control panel (fingers crossed).

Hope this helps.

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Yes its a good way to try out Exchange EMail services. You can upgrade to a paid account which gets you full Outlook access and your own email address for about $8.95/month.

With the T-Mobile unlimited data plan coming April 1st Orange had better get more competitive or lose plenty of people...

[Guest Doublevision]

Yes its a good way to try out Exchange EMail services. You can upgrade to a paid account which gets you full Outlook access and your own email address for about $8.95/month.

With the T-Mobile unlimited data plan coming April 1st Orange had better get more competitive or lose plenty of people...

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Good point spacerace (BTW Dodgeball is a cracking film!)

I have not checked if they offer true push e-mail as yet on the paid subscription.

I think everyone interested in this on Orange hopes for better data tarriffs. Hopefully T-mobile will shake the market and good on them for being the first to step forward.

I am sure it has been said before but...with if the Mobile Telcom companies who have invested in expensive 3G/EDGE network infrastructure want people to make full use, they have to increase the data through put. They need to drop the price for data and increase the number of customers using the service to start paying back those loans. Come on networks, move on from SMS and go for live compatable instant messaging and push e-mail at a reasonable price.

I'll get off my soap box now! ;)

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Good point spacerace (BTW Dodgeball is a cracking film!)

I have not checked if they offer true push e-mail as yet on the paid subscription.

I think everyone interested in this on Orange hopes for better data tarriffs.  Hopefully T-mobile will shake the market and good on them for being the first to step forward.

I am sure it has been said before but...with if the Mobile Telcom companies who have invested in expensive 3G/EDGE network infrastructure want people to make full use, they have to increase the data through put. They need to drop the price for data and increase the number of customers using the service to start paying back those loans.  Come on networks, move on from SMS and go for live compatable instant messaging and push e-mail at a reasonable price.

I'll get off my soap box now!  ;)

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I can't find any mention of "push email" or "exchange sp2" on the free or paid for service help sections, so it looks like it's not currently available.

Also, not sure if you're aware yet, but found in the help section that they insert a small text advert at the bottom of all sent emails"

Question 5

(Dodgeball has me laughing every time, especially the wrench training !)

[Guest Doublevision]

I can't find any mention of "push email" or "exchange sp2" on the free or paid for service help sections, so it looks like it's not currently available.

Also, not sure if you're aware yet, but found in the help section that they insert a small text advert at the bottom of all sent emails"

Question 5

(Dodgeball has me laughing every time, especially the wrench training !)

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I have a feeling they don't think they do push e-mail either (I can't check at this moment as dear sweet work block their website).

I have just forwarded an e-mail from my Web2Mail and I can see no sign of an advert. And I have composing a brand new message and nothing has appeared either. I won't complain.

(The film Old School with the Streaking scene comes a close second).

[Guest tdx]

I just stumbled upon this thread while looking for some info about 4smartphone, which I'm considering signing up with. I carefully read the posts here and I must be pretty stupid because i still don't understand if the "reply to" from different identities works or not.

I have three email accounts: one with hotmail, one with gmail, and a personal one, tied to my website. Now, i want to make sure i understand this before i take the plunge with 4smartphone: if I follow the steps detailed on this thread, I will be able to sned, receive and reply to and from these three addresses flawlessly, and when someone receives an email from any of these three addresses, it will appear as a separate identity (hotmail, gmail, personal)? Or will they all look as if they're coming from my primary address?

Sorry for being dense. Hope you guys can enlighten me.

Thanks, TDX

[Guest spacerace]

I just stumbled upon this thread while looking for some info about 4smartphone, which I'm considering signing up with. I carefully read the posts here and I must be pretty stupid because i still don't understand if the "reply to" from different identities works or not.

I have three email accounts: one with hotmail, one with gmail, and a personal one, tied to my website. Now, i want to make sure i understand this before i take the plunge with 4smartphone: if I follow the steps detailed on this thread, I will be able to sned, receive and reply to and from these three addresses flawlessly, and when someone receives an email from any of these three addresses, it will appear as a separate identity (hotmail, gmail, personal)? Or will they all look as if they're coming from my primary address?

Sorry for being dense. Hope you guys can enlighten me.

Thanks, TDX

jeez, i'm not even sure anymore !

ok bottom line - the exchange account itself can only send as one account - the one you nominate when setting it up. It is capable of having multiple accounts come into it, but if you reply to any of them it will reply as the nominated address.

There is a workaround, as both Outlook and a Windows Mobile (WM) smartphone allow you to create additional accounts (like identities) so you can send as different email accounts using this method.

HOWEVER using this method, emails will not automatically get sync'd as part of the exchange server sync'ing process. Messages sent on a WM device that are from a seperate profile will stay in the Sent Items for that identity and not get copied to the exchange server.

[Guest tdx]

Hey spacerace, thanks for the detailed response. I understand better now. Two more things, though:

- "using this method, emails will not automatically get sync'd as part of the exchange server sync'ing process. Messages sent on a WM device that are from a seperate profile will stay in the Sent Items for that identity and not get copied to the exchange server": I understand the theory of what you're saying, but, since i've never used exchange before, i don't understand what this would do practically. Do you mean that the messages won't be sent to their recipients? or that they will be sent but won't be synced with my account?

- Also, if I apply this workaround and set up additional accounts, will they all benefit from true push? or just my primary?

Thanks again, TDX

[Guest spacerace]

Hey spacerace, thanks for the detailed response. I understand better now. Two more things, though:

- "using this method, emails will not automatically get sync'd as part of the exchange server sync'ing process. Messages sent on a WM device that are from a seperate profile will stay in the Sent Items for that identity and not get copied to the exchange server": I understand the theory of what you're saying, but, since i've never used exchange before, i don't understand what this would do practically. Do you mean that the messages won't be sent to their recipients? or that they will be sent but won't be synced with my account?

- Also, if I apply this workaround and set up additional accounts, will they all benefit from true push? or just my primary?

Thanks again, TDX

ok - the concept of exchange server is that all your mail is the same on every device you connect to it. At least that's what I use t for.

If you send an email from a WM device using a different profile e.g. a POP one, the message you send will sit in the Sent Items for that profile, not the Sent Items for the Exchange Profile, so it will not make it's way to the Sent Items on the exchnage server, and therefore onto any Outlook or other WM device. This means you may reply to a message and not have it globally sync'd to other devices. This may be fine for you on your seperate profiles, but it's just something to be aware of.

The only account that has the Push facility is the Exchange one. If you feed you're incoming seperate email into the exchange inbox, then yes they will all be "pushed" to your device. You can direct your other accounts email into your exchange one by forwarding messages to your primary account using a rule.