Guest Paul (MVP) Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 As I understand it the styling of the AT&T version will match the HTC version (more rounded) rather than the Vario III style (more like the original TyTN). P
Guest mikeeey Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) As I understand it the styling of the AT&T version will match the HTC version (more rounded) rather than the Vario III style (more like the original TyTN). P yay for more rounded! does that also mean round D-pad unlike the square-ish D-pad the Tytn has? I guess it really wouldnt be a huge deal if I flashed it to the HTC rom and unlocked it. But I'm sure it will be a while before it comes out (I don't really trust the rumored Sept 3rd date, as the TyTn took forever to come out if I remember correctly). I mostly just want it as fast as possible, with as few hassles as possible. There is no word if both cameras will be in the final version, nor if any of the features will be disabled (hopefully GPS is not). Also, I haven't been able to find anything about AT&T making a deal to offer the phone. And I haven't seen if the body of the phone itself will be modified in any way other than branding since it hasn't been released AFAIK. (I prefer the original version to the MDA Vario III version right now, though this is no indication of how AT&T's version will look). Long story short, just a lot of what-ifs regarding AT&T's version that remain unknowns until there is word from an official source. well the way i see it, if they're allowing gps on the iphone (the worst gps there is too, only tracks a still position), then im sure they're gonna allow it on the Tilt. as far as the issue where the dates keep getting pushed back, i think where it is now is pretty close to staying, its already been pushed back from June. The qualcomm issue has been resolved with AT&T, and theres really nothing left to modify on the kaiser or bugs to fix. sure you can think of many many "what-ifs", but im trying to avoid that, i dont think any of the what-ifs will happen. Edited August 13, 2007 by mikeeey
Guest mikeeey Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 AFAIK the iPhone has no GPS? P thats what i thought. till i went to the AT&T store and it showed my current position. it can track your position, but not if your moving lol. thats why i call it the worst gps you can get.
Guest lozzd Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 It doesn't have GPS. I'm willing to bet the default position in Google Maps was the store, hence you thought it knew where you were.
Guest mikeeey Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 It doesn't have GPS. I'm willing to bet the default position in Google Maps was the store, hence you thought it knew where you were. o yea your probably right. well they think google maps is so cool (atleast when it's on an iphone), maybe they think a device with gps AND google maps would be even cooler. idk how AT&T thinks lol, but i really dont think they would remove a feature like, infact, now that i think about it, its built into the Qualcomm chip. they would need to ask Qualcomm to make a new chip without GPS, or downgrade to an older chip (like the one the TYTN uses). If they do take out the gps, they would also be taking out EVERYTHING else the qualcomm chip supports, which would make it a brick device (without the qualcomm processor). They could try to disable it through software, but hey, so what? upgrade to the HTC rom. anything is possible.
Guest Paul (MVP) Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 I would expect the Tilt to have everything (feature wise) that the P4550 has (cameras allowing). It'll lose some stuff in software I imagine (e.g. Touchesque homescreen plugin) but gain some other stuff (e.g. Music ID). P
Guest lozzd Posted August 13, 2007 Report Posted August 13, 2007 Yeah the iPhone is a lovely device and I drooled for the first hour or so of playing with it, but it's lacking in far too many features and power user features to be any good for me personally. Can see why a lot of people would buy one though, it does look nice, the interface is clever (almost gimmicky though) the web browser is nice, screen is nice. Meh, give me a kaiser any day :)
Guest argh Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 idk how AT&T thinks lol, but i really dont think they would remove a feature like, infact, now that i think about it, its built into the Qualcomm chip. they would need to ask Qualcomm to make a new chip without GPS, or downgrade to an older chip (like the one the TYTN uses). If they do take out the gps, they would also be taking out EVERYTHING else the qualcomm chip supports, which would make it a brick device (without the qualcomm processor). They could try to disable it through software, but hey, so what? upgrade to the HTC rom. anything is possible. Not true - Qualcomm documents how to disable GPS in the chip at a hardware level - the TyTn chipset has GPS support too, but it's been disabled in hardware (soldering various pins to ground) and has been deemed too tricky to reverse to make it practical. The changes would require very delicate soldering, fitting an aerial in the case and finding some way to make it possible to disable GPS again to preserve battery life. There was a huge thread on XDA-Dev about it, pity about the outcome. That being said, I can't see any reason for any provider to disable GPS (unless the US government decides that allowing people to know where places are will aid terrorism, as in MS Flightsim where they made all the locations inaccurate after 9/11 :) ). Oh, or if Apple pay them. They seem to have quite a deal going on with AT&T.
Guest mikeeey Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Not true - Qualcomm documents how to disable GPS in the chip at a hardware level - the TyTn chipset has GPS support too, but it's been disabled in hardware (soldering various pins to ground) and has been deemed too tricky to reverse to make it practical. The changes would require very delicate soldering, fitting an aerial in the case and finding some way to make it possible to disable GPS again to preserve battery life. There was a huge thread on XDA-Dev about it, pity about the outcome. That being said, I can't see any reason for any provider to disable GPS (unless the US government decides that allowing people to know where places are will aid terrorism, as in MS Flightsim where they made all the locations inaccurate after 9/11 :) ). Oh, or if Apple pay them. They seem to have quite a deal going on with AT&T. they didnt disable the gps in the TyTN, they just didnt include an internal antena. again i guess thats another "what-if" thing, but i mean terrorists can go to costco and buy a gps device there? whats the difference?
Guest whoster69 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 The iPhone has no GPS. The stores do a lot of things to make it look better than it is. I was in an AT&T store recent with some time on my hands so I played with one. It seemed surprisingly fast for an EDGE device, so I started a conversation with an employee. After he seemed pretty comfortable I asked the employee if it was really running on EDGE. He said no, that they had had it on EDGE briefly but no one would buy it when they saw how slow it was, so they had come with a scheme (his word, not mine) for making it appear better. They had done several things including setting it up to appear to have GPS when it does not. He later told me that his main job assignment was to wipe the iPhone display off with a cloth so it wouldn't show smudges! LOL!
Guest Chrome Blade Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 The iPhone has no GPS. The stores do a lot of things to make it look better than it is. I was in an AT&T store recent with some time on my hands so I played with one. It seemed surprisingly fast for an EDGE device, so I started a conversation with an employee. After he seemed pretty comfortable I asked the employee if it was really running on EDGE. He said no, that they had had it on EDGE briefly but no one would buy it when they saw how slow it was, so they had come with a scheme (his word, not mine) for making it appear better. They had done several things including setting it up to appear to have GPS when it does not. He later told me that his main job assignment was to wipe the iPhone display off with a cloth so it wouldn't show smudges! LOL! wow.... but hey i wouldn't doubt a word he says
Guest mikeeey Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 wow.... but hey i wouldn't doubt a word he says lol sounds about right. ask any person with no knowledge about the iphone and they will go on forever about "what features it has". youl be amazed to hear what people think lol. anyway, this is a kaiser thread. and its turned into a what-if kaiser thread now. i guess wel just have to wait a few more weeks and see what we hear.
Guest Paul (MVP) Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 A little bird tells me that AT&T and HTC have both completed their software builds for the shipping devices! I should get both builds soon... P
Guest jim.mason Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 A little bird tells me that AT&T and HTC have both completed their software builds for the shipping devices! I should get both builds soon... P Hi Paul, Can you let me know whether this charges (normally and not in standby) when in the car unlike the Vario II. If it's the same then thats gonns be a real pain. Cheers Jim
Guest Paul (MVP) Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Er, it does, but my Vario II does too?!? P
Guest jim.mason Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Er, it does, but my Vario II does too?!? P What charger are you using, I've got a USB cig adaptor (from BT GPS unit) and USB Lead
Guest Paul (MVP) Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 I have a proper car to USB adaptor. In fact I have a couple, and they both work as intended. Just to clarify what we're talking about... I can drive with the device plugged in and use TomTom, and arrive at my destination fully charged. P
Guest lozzd Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 USB cig adaptor from my BT GPS unit charges my Wizard fine, what are you having issues on? :S
Guest jim.mason Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 USB cig adaptor from my BT GPS unit charges my Wizard fine, what are you having issues on? :S It charges my wizard fine, but won't charge my Vario II. Looking over at 4winmobile.com they is alot of talk of people having problems in charging the VII. Paul - You are correct in your understanding of the original question! Can you confirm where you got your charges from, I have looked at the T Mobile site and they don't list any car chargers :) :P
Guest Syphon Filter Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Hi Paul, Can you let me know whether this charges (normally and not in standby) when in the car unlike the Vario II. If it's the same then thats gonns be a real pain. Cheers Jim I don't understand what you mean, I have an M3100 and that charges fine off the lead that came with my CoPilot 6, both when in use (ie navigating) and when in standby...
Guest jim.mason Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 I don't understand what you mean, I have an M3100 and that charges fine off the lead that came with my CoPilot 6, both when in use (ie navigating) and when in standby... I have got a spare lead so will try that to see if it makes any difference. Cheers Jim
Guest mjaaron Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 I don't understand what you mean, I have an M3100 and that charges fine off the lead that came with my CoPilot 6, both when in use (ie navigating) and when in standby... There are loads of threads on xda devs and 4winmobile about this. The handset needs either 2 pins shorting together in the USB conenctor (4 and 5?) or to be able to detect a data signal to charge. This is why chargers for Motorola phones for example won't charge the handset unless it is actually switched on (meaning if the battery is completely dead and won't switch on, you can't charge your device!!!).
Guest Syphon Filter Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 There are loads of threads on xda devs and 4winmobile about this. The handset needs either 2 pins shorting together in the USB conenctor (4 and 5?) or to be able to detect a data signal to charge. This is why chargers for Motorola phones for example won't charge the handset unless it is actually switched on (meaning if the battery is completely dead and won't switch on, you can't charge your device!!!). oh wow, i never knew that. You know what, I will have to double check but I am sure that my M3100 charges using the lead supplied with the copilot (which I got when I bought my first vario from T-mobile). In the house, I use my HTC chargers (from SPV C500/Vario/M3100) so again, I've never had a problem with charging using those ( as you would hope). I will double check regarding my copilot lead but i am 99% sure it does work.
Guest mjaaron Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 oh wow, i never knew that. You know what, I will have to double check but I am sure that my M3100 charges using the lead supplied with the copilot (which I got when I bought my first vario from T-mobile). In the house, I use my HTC chargers (from SPV C500/Vario/M3100) so again, I've never had a problem with charging using those ( as you would hope). I will double check regarding my copilot lead but i am 99% sure it does work. I had the problem with my old QTEK S110 (Jam/Magician) because when I got it, it was a European one and the retailer supplied a generic mini-USB mains charger as well as the 2-pin one in the box. It took me ages to figure out why every time I turned the thing off, it stopped charging...
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