Backup guide-Dosnt work with UK Update (canary v0.98)

[Guest Deathrow]

I've managed to get my Orange update/backup working after a DK update and reload IPSM!!!!

Before the DK update I copied the following files to my PC;

AE_en.dll

AEB_orange_en.dll

AECommon.dll

AEL_orange_en.dll

AER_orange_en.dll

AERASManager11.dll

AEU_orange_en.dll

I then updated, reloaded my dumped IPSM and then copied the files to the //windows directory. Et Voila!

I know I didn’t need to use all of them but best to be safe than sorry. I think you probably just need the files with the _en component.  

All that needs to go now is the 'orrible lockout on reciept of sms!

Pretty please a .doc/.pdf reader?

If you copy the files into the windows, wouldn't they deleted when you reboot? So you have to copy them back every time you need to backup/update...

regards

Silas

[Guest DJHope]

yeh true, but not if you make a pretty easy cab file that resides in you startup folder it will do it everytime.

[Guest Precognisant]

Sorry our kid, do you mean place these files into a cab file that automatically copies the files to the //windows directory on startup?

I've tried to do this but my c++ is not up to scratch yet (sorry VB only Im affraid). Any clues????

[Guest DJHope]

Erm..cab files get deleted after it installs anyways, erm....ill have a try after my exams are over!

Their must be something in the IPSM that is giving away our locale as UK/EN wereas people who have installed the update and started from scratch even though they might have changed everything to english theirs something else feeding locale info to Orange Update/Orange Backup admittidly preconistant's method is a little crude but it works so if your desperate to get something out of backup or get the fabulous full hand casino from orange update, this method will work, for now...........

DJ Hope

[Guest Thurstan]

Chaps, question:

If I backup my ISPM, do a hard reset, and re-install it from the card - will my phone still be uncert or will I need to do the process again?

Cheers

[Guest Precognisant]

As long as your de-cert worked before it will remain unlocked if you resore that version off ths SD card.

[Guest Thurstan]

Cheers.

One more: If I do a hard reset, back up ISPM, will I have to re-install apps/games which I installed to my SD card or just the one (All-Explorer) I installed to the phone?

Thanks again

[Guest Shuflie]

If you installed All explorer to your phone it is stored in ISPM so you won't have to re install it again. One thing that I would suggest you do is to test your backup before reset. I backed up my ISPM to the 8Mb card that came with the phone and did a full backup to a 64Mb card before I did the Danish update. After the update I tried to restore the ISPM backup from the 8Mb card and it reported that it was restored after one or two seconds but in reality it did nothing, however I did manage to restore the ISPM from the full backup I had made. You can test your backup by adding or deleting a ringtone after the backup then restoring the ISPM to see if you are back to the original configuration.

One thing that I didn't do before I updated was to save the UK versions of Orange backup and update. I'm sure this has been asked before but can anyone email me these or has someone posted them on a web site? I just don't fancy restoring everything back to the original setup again to get at them.

[Guest Pagemakers]

I have carried out the "save IPSM" procedure detailed on the first page at least 30 times now and it does not create a backup that I can restore.

When I re-insert the card into a new phone it does not say "restore backup". When I hold the action button and select LOAD IPSM it says passed in a second or so and nothing is restored when the phone boots up.

I HAVE followed the procedure exactly.

[Guest DJHope]

Somone else said this, i dont think is particularly full proof using 8mb SD card, try deleting some stuff in your IPSM!

After the update I tried to restore the ISPM backup from the 8Mb card and it reported that it was restored after one or two seconds but in reality it did nothing. You can test your backup by adding or deleting a ringtone after the backup then restoring the ISPM to see if you are back to the original configuration.

DJ Hope

[Guest Pagemakers]

Too late, I just uploaded my new phone the old fashioned way!

[Guest RMWD]

Somone else said this, i dont think is particularly full proof using 8mb SD card, try deleting some stuff in your IPSM!

DJ Hope

Yes I'm sure the backup of the IPSM is flawed to the 8mg card.

Yes the process asks about reformatting the card and then goes on to save the IPSM. This takes for ever unless interupted by using the joypad and this can be done very quickly in the process. The IPSM is only 2.9mg according to All files explorer on my SPV. Restoration occurrs in seconds resulting in a passed message. BUT any file in IPSM that has been changed like the name of an image in the IPSM.application data/home folder is not restored back so I don't think the restore works.

[Guest Shuflie]

Restoring IPSM from a full backup (64 Mb card) works just fine. I'm not sure why there should be so much trouble restroring from only an IPSM backup on an 8MB card.

[Guest RMWD]

One other thought. Do you think you need to erase the IPSM before loading the IPSM from the backup? Has anyone done this?

In fact has anyone got an IPSM backup to an 8mg card to restore in a verifiable way? If so what steps did you take?

I am most relectant to upload the UK update if it means I can never restore my unlock as I'm sure most of you are.

[Guest DJHope]

I've backed up IPSM onto an 8MB SD card (which I think only takes a couple of seconds ... but doesn't show PASSED when finished) and then I restored it back to the phone (to make sure it worked, which also took just a couple of seconds).  

Then I took that SD card and placed it in another SPV and restored the IPSM on that SPV using the IPSM I'd backed up from the other phone ...and it worked fine with no problems. (although I was a bit worried about doing it at first just incase one phone f*cked up, but twas a happy ending)  

Now I just wish I had a bigger SD card so I could try to restore a full backup on another phone.

AsherUK has managed it, im pretty sure it does work and it should work, but it appears to be hit and miss (dodgy) The 64mb backup method is full proof as everyone who has tried this method has got it sorted.

My advice is that if you have a bigger card than 8mb backup everything you currently have on it to pc. Then use this card, to perform the CANARY full backup, and use something like Hex Workshop to backup to a file (using an mmc/sd card reader). This will give you a nice backup and free up you SD/MMC card for future use.

Ive been told this works perfectly but am reluctant to try since if anything is modfied during this process you SPV wont like it and it involves moving the data between many different mediums thus hightening the chance of accidental modification!

Take it easy,

DJ Hope

[Guest RMWD]

My advice is that if you have a bigger card than 8mb backup everything you currently have on it to pc. Then use this card, to perform the CANARY full backup, and use something like Hex Workshop to backup to a file (using an mmc/sd card reader). This will give you a nice backup and free up you SD/MMC card for future use.

Thanks DJ, but that means having to buy a 64meg MMC/SD card and a card reader. I really only need to back up the IPSM and I really want to know why on person got it to work but everyone else can't. Not sure how to proceed with this one as reluctant to mess up my nicely unlocked SPV.

[Guest DJHope]

If you read the guide i have updated it,

If you backup to ipsm you can test the backup before installing the danish update:

1-Simply put something in your IPSM before doing the backup

2-do the backup, then delete the thing you put in your IPSM

3-restore the backup and it should come back(if it dosnt you dont have a good backup, otherwise you do!).

4-If you didnt get a good backup then try again but remove some stuff from your IPSM, and go through this continuous cycle.

NOTE: You *shouldnt* damage your IPSM so dont worry!

DJ Hope

[Guest townsejl]

Hi,

Sorry if I'm asking an already answered question but,

I've managed to do a full backup of my phone to a 128Mb SD card. Am I right in thinking that if I try to decertify my phone and it all goes pear-shaped, simply restoring the saved info from the SD card should get me back to where I currently am?

The other thing I'm unsure about is that in the main guide for decertifying the phone, the last step says that if the changed favourite is there, then it has worked, so you can now restore your settings. What settings are these exactly? Data connections, profiles, and other things? I'm assumming that I can't restore just the IPSM back onto the phone cos that would get rid of the decertification. Is it a case of making a note of all these settings beforehand and adding them back in manually?

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer and apologies if these questions have been asked/answered elsewhere on the forum.

Jamie.

[Guest Bazz]

This backup has nothing to do with certification. Doing a normal hard reset should restore certification.

This thread is talking about doing a software upgrade which is available in some countries, but not the UK yet. The upgrade flashes the ROM so even hard resetting will not remove this. The only way to remove an upgrade is by taking a complete backup before and then restoring afterwards - hence this thread.

You may want to do this if you are in the UK and you install the Danish update while waiting for the UK one. Once the UK one comes out it may not be installable over the Danish one, so you whip out your back up and restore.

Another reason sould be if the new update fixes the certification hack. Maybe you'd rather live with the bugs instead.

[Guest RMWD]

If you read the guide i have updated it,

4-If you didnt get a good backup then try again but remove some stuff from your IPSM, and go through this continuous cycle.

DJ Hope

DJ Hopes backup advice is very clear, but however I try I cannot get a working backup of the IPSM to load back. I don't even know that I have saved such a backup as the only way to confirm this is to restore backup.

Has anyone worked out what the problem is here? I ran the unlocking procedure first time so I don't think I'm being dumb.... :)

Possibilities

1 My SPV doesn't like the 8meg SD card that came with the SPV.

2 Though it says it is formatting and then saving the IPSM files it isn't

3 A problem with the restore procedure which doesn't even take a second and doesn't work.

4 IPSM too big (but mine is only 3.1 megs on All file explorer)

5 None of the above.

I would really like to run the new UK update when it becomes available but not if I can't save the IPSM as I do not want a permanently locked phone.

Thanks

[Guest davy]

RMWD,

For your info I tried to do a backup on an 8mb card but couldn't get it to work, despite numerous attempts.

My advice is dig deep and buy a 64mb card which worked 1st time for me when I did a full backup (which is just as well 'cause I've had to reflash ipsm 4 times since backup).

I bought a viking 64MB MMC from Amazon.co.uk for about £25- and it arrived next day.

Davy.

[Guest DJHope]

I havnt tried restoring it but im pretty sure the IPSM backup to 8mb memory card worked for me since i used winhex to ave a look inside the dump and all my contacts are their, that dosnt mean to say it will restore correctly.

When you put the card back into the SPV after having backed it up i assume it gives you the load option, if it does that kinda indicates to me it should have done it correctly since it dosnt come up if you havnt done a backup. Maybe the canary bootloader isnt very good with 8mb memory cards :)

DJ Hope

PS

BAZZ: No offense but id prefer you not confuse people. The backup can be used for ANYTHING and is not restricted to updating to the danish update.

Backing up is extremely useful and sensible and is no different to backing up ones pc. So if anything happens to the little bastard SPV a backup is ready and waiting to be restored.

So if you backup the SPV carry out a decert and it all goes pair shaped yes for can restore the backup and your phone will be in the same condition it was when you backed it up.

Also useful if orange try to badword people who have decertified over, since we can get back to an original state even if orange commit a ROM update.

QUESTION: If florin_m is getting away with posting rom images does that mean we could post an original SPV backup image for people?

[Guest HelloDave]

Restoring an IPSM backup on my 8mb SD has worked fine for me every time my phone has died and i've had to hard reset in the past. It restores everything you've changed on your phone, the only thing it won't do it restore any updates because they would be part of WinCE and GSM, not IPSM.

[Guest RMWD]

Restoring an IPSM backup on my 8mb SD has worked fine for me every time my phone has died and i've had to hard reset in the past. It restores everything you've changed on your phone, the only thing it won't do it restore any updates because they would be part of WinCE and GSM, not IPSM.

Perhaps that's it ..the phone has to die first before the bootloader allows a backup from the SD card IPSM. I have little doubt the backup is saving but never able to reload the IPSm to a working phone.

[Guest DJHope]

Erm yes maybe you have to "Erase IPSM" first before trying to restore?