Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Not if the screen sends only one signal. In this case the phone would sen whatt's in the middle of two points. if the screen send one signal then the display would not alter when the second point is created nope because when you press two points you are creating a separate single pressure point between them.. the HW can only detect a single point. if you create two points farther away from each other then you not creating a single point, even if itdes then software can make the screen read two
Guest bpivk Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 if the screen send one signal then the display would not alter when the second point is created Well it depends. I have to say that i tested this and had mixed results. Sometimes my phone ignores the second touch and sometimes it chooses the middle. But the statment still stands. The phone gets only one signal trough and it doesn't matter if you use one or three fingers. I know that some of you really want multitouch but you should go with iphone then.
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 Well it depends. I have to say that i tested this and had mixed results. Sometimes my phone ignores the second touch and sometimes it chooses the middle. But the statment still stands. The phone gets only one signal trough and it doesn't matter if you use one or three fingers. I know that some of you really want multitouch but you should go with iphone then. Why oh why, insist on something that is physically and scientifically _impossible_? While some emulation that resemble multi-touch _might_ be possible by software means, real multi touch (like the one on iphone and newer macbooks etc) can only be achieved using a capacitive touchscreen or by camera/light/laser based point detection techniques. That is (unfortunately) not something that can be argued on. (Unfortunate, because I also did pay a lot of money for the Omnia) By the way, about WinMo 6.5 or 7; I really deeply whole-heartedly believe, that Microsoft will again be late, when and if they decide to support multi-touch, to provide a newer interface etc. And I believe, that's because we, the customers, keep paying this bullsh*t OS money, even though the vendor decides to bury their heads underground, ignoring the developments and changes on the market. Come on people, we'd better change this forum into something like "How to get rid of WM" or "Running .... on Omnia" and it would mean something. The guys at XDA-Developers are trying to run Android on their phones, while we're stuck in dreams, which will never become reality. (Yes, you may tell I'm pretty disappointed with this device, especially with its software and touchscreen design)
Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 (Yes, you may tell I'm pretty disappointed with this device, especially with its software and touchscreen design) well its got 16 gig put some porn on it. coz if your jerkin off youll not be bitching
Guest Girvo Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 hmm epic fail :D:D in my opinion it is the end of the wm, multitouch in 2010 hahaha , nice one Multi-touch on phones is still merely a gimmick in my view. Capacitive touch is nice to be sure, however resistive touch will always have it's place especially in the Asian market for character recognition. It's also a lot more cost effective, and not hindered by too many patents. On my Omnia, I'm yet to find an app that I should need to use two fingers for :)
Guest Girvo Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 if you create two points farther away from each other then you not creating a single point, even if itdes then software can make the screen read two No. It cannot. The screen detects the touch and sends it to the operating system. It is a hardware limitation that you cannot get around.
Guest Yunabeco Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 Yeah, it's the touchscreen chip that reports one single position to the drivers -- and not the drivers that read the touchscreen's pressure. Unfortunately.
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) well its got 16 gig put some porn on it. coz if your jerkin off youll not be bitching Just behave *like* a man! I believe "bitching" is exactly what you're doing! Edited January 25, 2009 by Emre SUMENGEN
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 On my Omnia, I'm yet to find an app that I should need to use two fingers for :) Totally agree on that.. Just that, (as stated) a capacitive display is much nicer to use with the thumb IMO.
Guest smilepak Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 Even if 6.5 comes to Omnia, Verizon i910 Omnia user are screwed because we'll never see it. There not one custom rom out there for i910 :)
Guest jbach44 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Posted January 26, 2009 1. you forgot symbian :) 2. as far as I know (but I may be limited on this one), the only new stuff apple introduced was multitouch and gsensor.. and a fast GUI, yeah.. :D also forgot Blackberry OS
Guest aleis Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Even if 6.5 comes to Omnia, Verizon i910 Omnia user are screwed because we'll never see it. There not one custom rom out there for i910 :D damn man...i feel your pain. but im sorry, withouth 6.5 without multi touch, without safari or newer IM HAPPY! my phone rocks just the way it is. i have noooo problems! but..would i like it faster? YES! would i like it to do some new tricks? OF COURSE! so come on MS! make our current phones work like the Surface! :) now what about that geniuses! can they take the current hardware and with software make it like the Surface??
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 make our current phones work like the Surface! :) now what about that geniuses! can they take the current hardware and with software make it like the Surface?? Actually, Microsoft's Surface uses video cameras to get touch points (or it used to do so, when I last checked it). So, I kinda doubt anything like that can happen with a mobile phone. But, multitouch capability is actually not that complicated. You just need a screen that can detect more than one touch (like the ones that detect electricity or heat) and compatible software. The major thing on this issue seems to be Apple's patent and Microsoft's marketing strategy (which I think totally sucks!).
Guest krelvinaz Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Even if 6.5 comes to Omnia, Verizon i910 Omnia user are screwed because we'll never see it. There not one custom rom out there for i910 :) Verizon did an updated ROM for the i760 from 6.0 to 6.1 not to long ago. Not sure why they wouldn't do the same for the Omnia from 6.1 to 6.5. The update itself was downloaded from Samsung but was a Verizon version. It is also possible that the unlocked GPS will be done with a ROM release. Edited January 29, 2009 by krelvinaz
Guest greyfox8585 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Just behave *like* a man! I believe "bitching" is exactly what you're doing! i wasnt i was jst saying if he had some smut the device may be a bit better appreciated.
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 Weird news here... http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/19/s...rface-on-video/ Stantum has developed a screen technology that they call "Soft Touch", which is based on resistive displays and ALSO SUPPORT MULTITOUCH. It seems unbelieveable, but video seems nice. The catch is, although the display is resistive, just like our Omnia's, they are using a specific OMAP chip in conjunction. They admit that current phones etc. cannot be adopted to this new technology. Anyway, I suggest everyone to watch the video. Hope WM6.5 supports this. (But I already know that it WON'T! Microsoft never does that)
Guest DeepBlueEditor Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Trust me: resistive touchscreens cannot have multi-touch. It's made to detect one point. Putting two points of pressure one, you get what's in the centre. Almost all devices that use any sort of touch sensetivity are scanned. That is, there is a series of contacts vertical and horizontal across the touch area that are scanned for pressure. Since this is a progressive scanning of the lines that make up the screen, it is possible to write a code to simply say, I feel pressuer at x1.y1 at z1 time and also at x2, y2 at z2 time. That's actually how progressive displays work as well in most cases. If this devices touch screen works like most, there may yet be a way to do it but it is well beyond me to actually implement any such possible code. I just know how some of the normal hardware works. S.
Guest Turborepu Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 holy crap.. i will start putting away $100 a month till this technology comes out!!
Guest travelbug Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Weird news here... http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/19/s...rface-on-video/ Stantum has developed a screen technology that they call "Soft Touch", which is based on resistive displays and ALSO SUPPORT MULTITOUCH. It seems unbelieveable, but video seems nice. The catch is, although the display is resistive, just like our Omnia's, they are using a specific OMAP chip in conjunction. They admit that current phones etc. cannot be adopted to this new technology. Anyway, I suggest everyone to watch the video. Hope WM6.5 supports this. (But I already know that it WON'T! Microsoft never does that) i think they specifically mentioned that it works for resistive screens and it is done at a software level. its awesome technology. i think its backward intigration to existing cellphones is more a licensing/patent issue than any thing if it is indeed a software solution if this thing really does work for resistive screens and is a totally software solution then i dont see why it cant be cooked into a rom. just my thoughts... esciting prospoect though :(
Guest Chugworth Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) i think they specifically mentioned that it works for resistive screens and it is done at a software level. its awesome technology. i think its backward intigration to existing cellphones is more a licensing/patent issue than any thing if it is indeed a software solution if this thing really does work for resistive screens and is a totally software solution then i dont see why it cant be cooked into a rom. just my thoughts... esciting prospoect though :( At the very end of the first video they specifically mention that it won't work with existing phones. It seems as though the technology is ready, but the existing resistive screens are not built to support this. I thought Microsoft was just being slow with their lack of support for capacitive screens in Windows Mobile, but maybe it's because they've known better things are coming. This is going to make capacitive screens obsolete! Edited February 21, 2009 by Chugworth
Guest finaldestiny Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 I do believe, if i'm not mistaken, that there are a few windows phones that have capacitive screens. The only question really is why more manufacturers haven't put capacitive screens into windows based phones. Or used more capacitive screens, period. I'm pretty sure apple didn't 'invent' capacitive screens, so that technology could have been used in more phones before the iphone came out, forcing microsoft to keep up much earlier that it is attempting to do now.
Guest Emre SUMENGEN Posted February 26, 2009 Report Posted February 26, 2009 I do believe, if i'm not mistaken, that there are a few windows phones that have capacitive screens. The only question really is why more manufacturers haven't put capacitive screens into windows based phones. Or used more capacitive screens, period. I'm pretty sure apple didn't 'invent' capacitive screens, so that technology could have been used in more phones before the iphone came out, forcing microsoft to keep up much earlier that it is attempting to do now. I have some thoughts on that... Not exactly "knowledge", but thoughts: 1) Yes, capacitive screens were invented before iPhone :( 2) Device manufacturers don't want to implement capacitive screens, as the OS (wm6.1) don't support it natively and if used, a compatible driver must be programmed (by the manufacturer). Capacitive screens are already more expensive than their resistive cousins, adding a development cost makes the gap bigger and profit smaller B) 3) Microsoft doesn't move towards implementing the driver themselves, because we still buy resistive screens and as customers, cannot push them hard enough that they would consider r&d. Microsoft is (as the others) based on maximizing its profit, of course :P So, it's kind of our fault, or result of our doing, as customers. Also, there are too many blogs and sites that lick Microsoft *ss, whatever and however they do things.
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