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[Guest bpivk]

Sir with respect to ur opinion

but still increasind DownUp value and i repeat increasing makes better effect ! i made mine 1000 ! and the page runs soooo fast even least scrolling makes move ..

am usin Wm6.1 IA3

You are wrong. DownUp should be lower. Use the search function it has been confirmed.

[Guest Sea-Breeze]

hello please help me

I did as indicated

(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE)

(HARDWARE)

(TOUCH)

(and i changed 1250 to 3750)

I restart spa is

they the Does not Start

pleas help me pleas

thank you

i can't get ur point do u mean the fone doesn't restart or it hangs or what ???

[Guest Zealster]

Sorry for this long post, but wanted to share what I've learned about improving scrolling on my Omnia. First, I really dont think that the UpDown and Click registry settings impact touch sensitivity per se; the hardware digitizer panel determines this. As best I can figure, the registry settings control the delays before touch events occur -- so they affect responsiveness but not sensitivity.

The UpDown setting specifies the wait time (in milliseconds) between the moment your finger touches the screen and when the screen 'unlocks' to begin scrolling. So increasing this value just makes things worse! Like others, I currently run mine at 150 with very good results. The screen feels much more responsive, because you don't have to wait as long for movement to begin. I have experimented with Click as well, but haven't found that it makes any difference that I could notice.

It sounds like some of you are still running 6.1 ROMs? If smooth finger scrolling is important to you, there's just no way it's going to happen with 6.1 because MS didn't include native kinetic scrolling in 6.1. The only exception will be certain third-party apps like Resco's File Explorer that provide their own scrolling as part of the application. But native WM 6.1 menus and apps like Messaging have no kinetic scrolling at all. Samsung apparemtly tried to work around this by layering its own scrolling functionality into the 6.1 ROMs, but it's pretty awful (it's the feature that causes jerky one-lline-at-a-time scrolling, accompanied by loud clicking noises).

In WM 6.5, MS finally introduced true smooth kinetic scrolling system-wide. It's a huge improvement vs. 6.1. The only problem is that the cooked 6.5 ROMs necessarily use the original Samsung 6.1 ROMs as a starting point. Thus, the weird Samsung scrolling is still present -- and it completely overrides the goodness of the new kinetic scrolling. :D Several of us discovered a secret months ago, which is to simply install FTouchSL but do not activate it. When you run the FTouchSL install, it deactivates the Samsung scroller, partly by replacing Samsung's touch driver DLL. Because you're never going to actually use FTouchSL, you don't need to buy it -- just install the trial copy from the FTouchSL website and forget about it. Most of the cooks now burn the FTouchSL trial right into their custom 6.5 ROMs, and also lower the value of UpDown to 150. But remember, this all applies only to WM 6.5, and not to 6.1.

The combination of 6.5's native scrolling with lowering the UpDown registry key value will give you awesome scrolling. You may still find it preferable to use a fingernail (I generally "flick" with the top of my nail, not the edge), but it now requires only the very lightest touch. if I use my fingertip, I have to press a lot harder. Once you've experienced native kinetic scrolling in 6.5, you'll never go back to 6.1 again! :angry:

Yea 6.5's kenetic scrolling is alot nicer. The one place I think they improved most on is text messaging. Before you had literally no control over the threaded texts, and now you can scroll with your finger! I find it hard to scroll using 6.5, but found the left side of the screen is designed for kenetic scrolling, and the center for clicking and normal 6.1 WM scrolling (crap). I'm hoping this improves in later versions, but I sort of like it right now. I like that you can get rid of the scrollbar and arrows since they are somewhat useless now. (But I use them occasionally, so I keep them pretty small)

[Guest Rob V]

Yea 6.5's kenetic scrolling is alot nicer. The one place I think they improved most on is text messaging. Before you had literally no control over the threaded texts, and now you can scroll with your finger! I find it hard to scroll using 6.5, but found the left side of the screen is designed for kenetic scrolling, and the center for clicking and normal 6.1 WM scrolling (crap). I'm hoping this improves in later versions, but I sort of like it right now. I like that you can get rid of the scrollbar and arrows since they are somewhat useless now. (But I use them occasionally, so I keep them pretty small)

@Zealster - that's very interesting. I've never noticed any differences in behavior based on which side of the screen I'm using. I'll have to play with it and see if I see the same results as you do. Of course, it's possible that your digitizer is flaky on one portion of the screen vs. another. I've read several posts from people who had to exchange their Omnias because touch stopped working well on just one portion of their screen.

I'm kinda confused by your post, though: Are you currently running 6.5 or 6.1? If you're on 6.5 and are still finding it hard to scroll, then something must be wrong. Everyone who a) is running 6.5; :D has installed but not activated FTouchSL; and c) has lowered the UpDown registry key to around 100-150 is reporting very smooth finger scrolling -- that's why most chefs are burning those three changes into all the 6.5 custom ROMs.

@Sea-Breeze - I'm not trying to be difficult. Hey, if you personally believe you get better results by increasing those settings, go for it! All I can say is that I've done a whole lot of reading and research on this particular topic, and am simply reporting what I (and many others smarter than me) have found to be true. I've tried changing UpDown to both very large and very small values, and my results confirm the definition of UpDown I stated in the earlier post: My display is noticeably more sluggish to scroll when UpDown is set to very high values, because this increases the scrolling delays and makes the whole device seem less smooth and responsive. Before moving to 6.5, I spent hours trying unsuccessfully to tweak decent scrolling out of 6.1, only to later learn that it's because kinetic scrolling simply does not exist in 6.1 (that is a fact). That's why the rest of my comments apply only to 6.5 (which does have native kinetic scrolling), and not to 6.1.

[Guest yashgupta25]

The solution which involves installing FTouch SL works. Also it the sensitivity of the screen depends on what you're using as an GUI. The Samsung Home screen is by default slow. I use SPB Mobile Shell, which was relatively faster (read as sensitive) by it''s own without any reg tweaks. After adjusting the reg. values, the sensitivity increased, but the phone became really slow when you work in the landscape mode, which didn't bother me much. By installing FTouch SL, you're overlapping the Samsung touch system, so it becomes more sensitive, and more importantly, more accurate. Also, it makes a hell of a lot of difference when you upgrade from WinMo 6.1 to one of the WinMo 6.5 cooked ROMs.

And please guys, it's not about comparing with iPhone. As much as you want, it can't happen. The reason is simple, the iPhone has a capacitative screen, which is inherintly better. Thus, more sensitive, and supports multi-touch

[Guest Zealster]

@Zealster - that's very interesting. I've never noticed any differences in behavior based on which side of the screen I'm using. I'll have to play with it and see if I see the same results as you do. Of course, it's possible that your digitizer is flaky on one portion of the screen vs. another. I've read several posts from people who had to exchange their Omnias because touch stopped working well on just one portion of their screen.

I'm kinda confused by your post, though: Are you currently running 6.5 or 6.1? If you're on 6.5 and are still finding it hard to scroll, then something must be wrong. Everyone who a) is running 6.5; :angry: has installed but not activated FTouchSL; and c) has lowered the UpDown registry key to around 100-150 is reporting very smooth finger scrolling -- that's why most chefs are burning those three changes into all the 6.5 custom ROMs.

@Sea-Breeze - I'm not trying to be difficult. Hey, if you personally believe you get better results by increasing those settings, go for it! All I can say is that I've done a whole lot of reading and research on this particular topic, and am simply reporting what I (and many others smarter than me) have found to be true. I've tried changing UpDown to both very large and very small values, and my results confirm the definition of UpDown I stated in the earlier post: My display is noticeably more sluggish to scroll when UpDown is set to very high values, because this increases the scrolling delays and makes the whole device seem less smooth and responsive. Before moving to 6.5, I spent hours trying unsuccessfully to tweak decent scrolling out of 6.1, only to later learn that it's because kinetic scrolling simply does not exist in 6.1 (that is a fact). That's why the rest of my comments apply only to 6.5 (which does have native kinetic scrolling), and not to 6.1.

I do not think ftouchsl is added to my ROM, but I will install it just to see! Sorry, I am using WM 6.5 right now. I found it alot easier compared to 6.1, a little laggy on performance, but overall a tad bit stabler.

Edit: After installing FtouchSL, I've found the whole screen is scrolling just like an iPhone would. :D Thanks!

Edited August 25, 2009 by Zealster

[Guest quak58]

Awesome. After installing FTouchSL, things work like a charm. I'm on Shokka's D17 WM6.5 ROM.

[Guest Ahmed4never]

i applied the values as the first post and it becomes good however ITS NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE TO I PHONE CUZ NOTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE CAN BEAT THE IPHONE IN TERMS OF TOUCH RESPONSIVENESS AND SENSITIVITY

[Guest HellboyMC]

i applied the values as the first post and it becomes good however ITS NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE TO I PHONE CUZ NOTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE CAN BEAT THE IPHONE IN TERMS OF TOUCH RESPONSIVENESS AND SENSITIVITY

u had to use caps so we don't miss the part we already know, but it's not really true, resistive screens are becoming better and better and when they get (if they haven't already) multi touch, iphone won't be top anymore (although looking at everything else, it already isn't)

[Guest HellboyMC]

after i installed FtouchSL i get black screen after welcome screen....I hard reset, installed again, got the same problem....

EDIT: Someone could have mentioned that the newest ROM's already run on FTouchSL DLL...i guess that's what caused my problem.

Edited August 26, 2009 by HellboyMC

[Guest StarVision]

the improvement in sensetivity can only be felt when u start to drag and choose more intems on Explorer or sort of stuff like tat...

[Guest Matja]

after i installed FtouchSL i get black screen after welcome screen....I hard reset, installed again, got the same problem....

EDIT: Someone could have mentioned that the newest ROM's already run on FTouchSL DLL...i guess that's what caused my problem.

... Most of the cooks now burn the FTouchSL trial right into their custom 6.5 ROMs, and also lower the value of UpDown to 150. But remember, this all applies only to WM 6.5, and not to 6.1.

They did

lp, BlocK

[Guest HellboyMC]

They did

lp, BlocK

my bad, i apologize.

[Guest gianton]

I tried 4000 and 50 and that made a big difference!

[Guest HellboyMC]

I tried 4000 and 50 and that made a big difference!

If anyone bothers trying 500 or 1000 more or even more than 1000, please tell us ur results, i want to know if we can go all the way to iphone sensitivity :D

[Guest bpivk]

If anyone bothers trying 500 or 1000 more or even more than 1000, please tell us ur results, i want to know if we can go all the way to iphone sensitivity :D

You can't get iphone sensitivity with tweaks. You'll only notice a delay or your phone will stop responding. You can only get so much out of the tweaks.

Here you are

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?act=findpo...&pid=980818

Edited August 27, 2009 by bpivk

[Guest ejoya]

the topic poster is wrong.. increasing the values will give lower response.

Edited August 27, 2009 by ejoya

[Guest HellboyMC]

the topic poster is wrong.. increasing the values will give lower response.

We all know that already, but only for updown, click should be higher. I wasn't serious at getting to iphone sensitivity bpivk, i only want to know how far u can increase the click and how much can i decrease updown so it still works better, not worse than before, if u no what i mean?

[Guest T@R1Q]

omnia can never come close to iphones touch sensitivity. simply impossible. so, stop dreaming guys. it's resistive touch screen n it sucks :D although win 6.5 works way better than 6.1.

[Guest HellboyMC]

omnia can never come close to iphones touch sensitivity. simply impossible. so, stop dreaming guys. it's resistive touch screen n it sucks :D although win 6.5 works way better than 6.1.

At least try understanding my point...I just want to make the best out of those tweaks without ruining everything, i don't care if it's iphone or not, i just think going higher with click and lower with updown will make it even slightly better, but my question is, how far can this go. I don't want to go any higher unless someone tells me it's safe as i don't know what might a too high number do.

[Guest HellboyMC]

double post...

Edited August 31, 2009 by HellboyMC