I feel a sucker with this device in my hand!

[Guest The Real Mc Coy]

Amen ! :)

[Guest bbmalver]

Despite having had a couple of the problems posted, (i.e Memory Corruption and System slowdowns [only the two i initially reported here since purchase in July]), I do Luv this phone!! And everyone i've shown it to equally want to 'steal' it or are envious!

Luv it!

Luuuuuuv it!!!!

[Guest shingers5]

i have had the world on my tg01.......... mobishell 3.0 with sense ui and tf3d. mobishell turns this phone to a somewhat acceptable everyday tool. been working away and have used 4 solid days straight. its been my sole phone, web browser and alarm clock. the phone is scary fast people i mean lightning! true web browsing on the large 4.1 inch screeen. charged it every night before bed and it held out all the next day. battery life is really bad but with wm6.5 coming we might ghet new rilphone.dll which may improve battery life. i was gonna get the HTC Hero but with the Leo announced with still slower processor than TG01 i may just stick it out with this phone. we may never get HDSPL on this phone so custom roms will be a no no. gold card method is not secure so i will not risk this phone by using it :)

[Guest Neil5459]

(snip) i was gonna get the HTC Hero but with the Leo announced with still slower processor than TG01 i may just stick it out with this phone. we may never get HDSPL on this phone so custom roms will be a no no. gold card method is not secure so i will not risk this phone by using it :)

The Leo has the same 1GHz processor as the TG01. It also has a larger capacitive multitouch screen, a bigger battery, more RAM and a smaller overall size.

Unless Toshiba sort out some of their problems, I may well be tempted :)

[Guest The Real Mc Coy]

i was gonna get the HTC Hero but with the Leo announced with still slower processor than TG01 i may just stick it out with this phone.

Slower processor for the Leo ? No ! It will use the same as the TG01 : QualComm MSM 8250 SnapDragon 1GHz. So it will also have the same chipsets for sound, video, phone, Bt and Wifi as all is embeded in the SnapDragon chipset !

And the Leo will have a 4.3" capacitive multitouch screen were TG01 as "only" 4.1" resistive single touch !!!

And it will get a 5MPx camera with dual LED flash (some sources say 8Mpx)...

And a jack for audio...

And a 1230mAh battery (some say 1320mAh)...

And WinMo 6.5...

We will have definitive specs during press conference the 6th October...

Anyway this is a good news for TG01 owners because almost everything developped for the Leo should be compatible with our phone !!!

Edited September 18, 2009 by The Real Mc Coy

[Guest shingers5]

Slower processor for the Leo ? No ! It will use the same as the TG01 : QualComm MSM 8250 SnapDragon 1GHz. So it will also have the same chipsets for sound, video, phone, Bt and Wifi as all is embeded in the SnapDragon chipset !

And the Leo will have a 4.3" capacitive multitouch screen were TG01 as "only" 4.1" resistive single touch !!!

And it will get a 5MPx camera with dual LED flash (some sources say 8Mpx)...

And a jack for audio...

And a 1230mAh battery (some say 1320mAh)...

And WinMo 6.5...

We will have definitive specs during press conference the 6th October...

Anyway this is a good news for TG01 owners because almost everything developped for the Leo should be compatible with our phone !!!

yeah bouble checked the spec and you guys are right! seen the video showing multitouch in action so i say i will defo get the Leo. the resistive touch screen is too freiking moody and i just can't type a text without either deleting some text or keyboard going off screen. it is horrible to use seriously. finger keyboard 2.1 remedies it a little bit but that touch screen is not good at all

[Guest bsnguy]

but unless HTC finally produces a phone with USB host enabled, this phone is of no use to me. That's a requirement in my work, now. TG01 has it. I doubt HTC will come though (I hope they do, but history is not on their side).

[Guest dunbad]

I have an iphone 3gs and its very good but its just so boring and has limitations. My tg01 has character! Yes i have SOME issues as mentioned here. If my phone rings, its the iphone, and will be until a reliable and trusted fix for the volume comes out that is simple enough for me to install. If i wanna browse the net, watch movies, look at software, play games or just tinker its always the tg01. Having the tg01 is good for the soul!

[Guest xdalover]

but unless HTC finally produces a phone with USB host enabled, this phone is of no use to me. That's a requirement in my work, now. TG01 has it. I doubt HTC will come though (I hope they do, but history is not on their side).

I agree, USB Host it's a MUST for me as well....

[Guest leeston2379]

Anyway this is a good news for TG01 owners because almost everything developped for the Leo should be compatible with our phone !!!

Hope this is true, i'm locked into an 18 month contract, so no chance of an upgrade for a while. Got the TG01 for free though :)

[Guest i900french-addict]

I have an iphone 3gs and its very good but its just so boring and has limitations. My tg01 has character! Yes i have SOME issues as mentioned here. If my phone rings, its the iphone, and will be until a reliable and trusted fix for the volume comes out that is simple enough for me to install. If i wanna browse the net, watch movies, look at software, play games or just tinker its always the tg01. Having the tg01 is good for the soul!

I completly agree with you, and use 2 devices the same way as you

The only difference is that my reliable device is my good old Samsung Omnia

[Guest columbo]

The fact is that when I bought the TG01, I was quite aware, this device being the very first of a new platform, it would be muuuch less reliable than my previous samsung Omnia, and would require many settings and fixes to get advantages from its huge power.

(to be really honnest, I bought it because I definitly wanted to see FpseCE 0.10 running on it)

And the problem is that in many countries, it was sold as a traditional "phone", a ready to use "iphone killer", etc!

BUT IT IS NOT!

People should be aware of this, you can have the ultimate device with the TG01, but it takes time, it's almost experimental (and I personaly love it!!! lol)

Anyway, most of the bugs you mention can now be fixed (when you buy an HTC, you know you'll find every fix and everything in a few minutes, deve. on the TG01 is at its very beginning and will never go sa far! Once more: new architecture = things to improve)

-Memory card corruption: as long as you have some, make hard resets. Always close every running task on the TG01 before plugging it via USB (especially the file explorer!) and don't let it go "asleep" when connected. Doing this is not an officially working solution but is working for some, including me.

-Battery problems: try using the TG01 as you would use a laptop: minimum power when just waiting for possible incoming calls in your pocket, medium power when you want usuall application to run fast and smooth, high power only for 3D games or big videos. By doing this, my battery lasts 3 days (about 40 minutes high usage a day)

-Unwanted reboots? Have you SRS WOW on your device? See the other post. They always come from 3rd party applications, hard reset will fix it

-Bad sound quality during calls? If it is REALLY bad, ask for a replacement, some in France had this problem on their 1st TG01 (words being cut, parasites sounds...) it was a hardware problem. If the problem is the volume during calls, some registry changes help improving it (see other posts in the forum)

-Incoming-calls rings to low remains a problem, especially with the speaker in the back. I've placed some MP3 especially for this whose volume has been increased with a PC application.

-The camera quality: with such a thin device, it was not possible to have an excellent one, but right, the interface is too minimalist. At least, the bitrate of the recorded videos is good, much better than on my Omnia.

I know it's a big work to get something that will never be as reliable as an HTC or a Samsung, but the TG01 and its huge power deserve it.

It's not a phone! :)

Forgive me, but you are speaking utter nonsense.

I realise you were trying to help, but I think your reply was a bit patronising. You were basically calling me naive, suggesting that I didn't know what I was buying or doing.

I've used Windows Mobile since it appeared as Windows CE 1.0 in the late 1990s, I'm fully aware of what this device can do and have been more than willing to endure the odd annoyance in return for the productivity these devices provde me. Every phone I've had since 2003 has been Windows Mobile. I can put up with a lot.

However, I am already on my FOURTH replacement TG01 (an average of one every two weeks!), and I am still unable to access that elusive "huge power" you speak of due to the fact that it is, yet again, taking me 10 seconds to open the settings menu for no apparent reason. Granted, this is not happening all the time, just when it is plugged in. All three TG01 units I had previously gave me corrupt files and inexplicable slowdowns. All of them had problems with the Battery meter. I've only experienced one phone as bad as this and that was the HTC Polaris, which was duely fixed. If the WM 6.5 update doesn't fix it, it'll be going back to Orange and I'll be getting something else.

By the way, contrary to your assumptions, my last lot of memory corruptions and unwanted reboots happened with no 3rd party apps installed, so as far as I can see, these could only be faults in the stock ROM, or perhaps with the snapdragon itself. Either way, it shoud never have reached the market in this state.

It is beyond my understanding how you can defend a device with this many faults. If, as you say, you have been experiencing these faults and somehow think it is acceptable for a manufacturer to screw you like this, you are doing us no favours at all by not complaining about it to Toshiba and your service provider.

To say that the TG01 isn't a 'phone' is also utter nonsense. If it worked, it would easily be the best phone on the market. But it doesn't actually work. It's broken. No human being can use a 'phone', and even less a high-powered PDA, if it corrupts the memory card so often.

By the way, Toshiba, if you are reading this, any chance of an official public statement in response to these concerns?

Edited September 26, 2009 by columbo

[Guest i900french-addict]

Forgive me, but you are speaking utter nonsense.

I realise you were trying to help, but I think your reply was a bit patronising. You were basically calling me naive, suggesting that I didn't know what I was buying or doing.

I've used Windows Mobile since it appeared as Windows CE 1.0 in the late 1990s, I'm fully aware of what this device can do and have been more than willing to endure the odd annoyance in return for the productivity these devices provde me. Every phone I've had since 2003 has been Windows Mobile. I can put up with a lot.

However, I am already on my FOURTH replacement TG01 (an average of one every two weeks!), and I am still unable to access that elusive "huge power" you speak of due to the fact that it is, yet again, taking me 10 seconds to open the settings menu for no apparent reason. Granted, this is not happening all the time, just when it is plugged in. All three TG01 units I had previously gave me corrupt files and inexplicable slowdowns. All of them had problems with the Battery meter. I've only experienced one phone as bad as this and that was the HTC Polaris, which was duely fixed. If the WM 6.5 update doesn't fix it, it'll be going back to Orange and I'll be getting something else.

By the way, contrary to your assumptions, my last lot of memory corruptions and unwanted reboots happened with no 3rd party apps installed, so as far as I can see, these could only be faults in the stock ROM, or perhaps with the snapdragon itself. Either way, it shoud never have reached the market in this state.

It is beyond my understanding how you can defend a device with this many faults. If, as you say, you have been experiencing these faults and somehow think it is acceptable for a manufacturer to screw you like this, you are doing us no favours at all by not complaining about it to Toshiba and your service provider.

To say that the TG01 isn't a 'phone' is also utter nonsense. If it worked, it would easily be the best phone on the market. But it doesn't actually work. It's broken. No human being can use a 'phone', and even less a high-powered PDA, if it corrupts the memory card so often.

By the way, Toshiba, if you are reading this, any chance of an official public statement in response to these concerns?

You says we call you "naive", but I could say you calls us "liars" because many users here don't experience the difficulties you are experiencing, and some (including me) solved them after a few hard resest.

It's your fourth replacement? How long have you been trying to fix the problems before changing your TG01 every time???

It took me something like 3 weeks to fix all the problems (but the sound, I don't want to use SRS wow anymore, too many problems with it) and have something working "normaly"

Or is your provider replacing your TG01 every time with one coming from the same shitty and bugged TG01 stock?????

Anyway, your case is true, I believe you, but you're the only one I've ever seen with 4 replacements and so many difficulties :)

Sorry for you!

[Guest columbo]

You says we call you "naive", but I could say you calls us "liars" because many users here don't experience the difficulties you are experiencing, and some (including me) solved them after a few hard resest.

It's your fourth replacement? How long have you been trying to fix the problems before changing your TG01 every time???

It took me something like 3 weeks to fix all the problems (but the sound, I don't want to use SRS wow anymore, too many problems with it) and have something working "normaly"

Or is your provider replacing your TG01 every time with one coming from the same shitty and bugged TG01 stock?????

Anyway, your case is true, I believe you, but you're the only one I've ever seen with 4 replacements and so many difficulties :)

Sorry for you!

I don't want to fall out with anyone here, but it still seems like you're being exceptionally patronising, and I'm not sure you've been reading my posts properly.

You says we call you "naive"

I was referring to you in the singular when I said you seem to be saying I was naive. This 'we' and 'us' language suggests a teeny bit of arrogance on your part, thinking you can somehow speak for the entire community of TG01 users. It also feel like you're trying to intimidate me by bringing everyone else into it. All I'm doing is sharing my own experience and reflecting on the fact that I am far from alone in my experience by suggesting it may be a badly programmed phone. There is certainly no reason for you to respond to my post, which was intended to give comfort to someone who had experienced similar problems to mine, with a troll full of patronising drivel about how it must be my impatience or that I am not using it properly.

And where did I call you, or anyone else, a 'liar'??? When people say they have had no problems, it doesn't mean they have actually had no problems, just no 'unacceptable' problems. It doesn't make you a liar, it just makes you look like a geek when you try to show off your latest photos and you have to say "Hang on just a minute while my phone resets". Not very cool is it?

You may be happy to accept the bugs and do your hard resets for the sake of bleeding edge technology. Unlike you, I don't think that is a virtue. There is a world of difference between tweaking and having to fix a broken machine.

I didn't deny that many users haven't (yet) had problems, but I have to admit, looking at these boards, it is becoming apparent that I am far from alone, especially since you admit you have had problems yourself. The TG01 has not been out for very long, and the fact you may not have had a problem 'yet' (since your hard resets which you shouldn't have had to do in the first place) does not give you reason to be complacent. Just because you have not had problems recently doesn't mean they have gone away, so I'd keep doing those backups if I were you. There have been a few people on these board saying they've fixed their problem, only to come back a week later saying that their problem has come back. It's too early for you to dismiss the possibility that all phones might be affected.

By the way, you may not have noticed I am not the person who started this thread That makes at least two of us. There is also at least one other person on this board who was on his third replacement. Including yourself, that's at least four. The longest thread on this board is the one about card corruption. Then there are other forums with similar complaints about the TG01. I am beginning to think that this is not a coincidence.

For your information, I spent 6 weeks trying to fix my first one. (Once again, why should I have to??) I said I had an average of one every two weeks, which is not the same as saying that I actually had one every two weeks. I have no shame in sending it back as many times as is necessary for my service provider to notice there is a problem with these phones.

And yes, you are probably quite correct about my provider, but then I've a feeling all the stock might be buggy.

Anyway, rant over. Please don't take any of this personally. I'm still very fed up with this phone. I need it to be reliable.

[Guest Neil5459]

Guys- we do need to keep this topic friendly and in the spitit of MoDaCo :)

There is no doubt that the TG01 has some major flaws- some of these are critical to some users and some to other users. We can only hope that there will (soon) be some fixes.

In the meantime, we should keep reporting our experiences and hopefully any workarounds. We are a little unfortunate that the XDA-Developers community only really supports HTC devices- had that not been so, I'm sure some fixes would already be apparent. As such we are at the mercy of Toshibha/Microsoft/Qualcomm to sort out what is Hardware, Firmware and Software.

Orange do seem to release devices before they are ready- the P3600 Trinity had no GPS enabled on release, and the Touch Diamond was totally unusable (I had one of the 1st of those)- the GPS lost lock every 3 minutes, the frond end was slow and unresponsive and the whole device was prone to locking up. Thankfully XDA-Devs came to the rescue (or at least Olipro with HardSPL!) and we were able to load later more developed ROMs. Orange still haven't updated the Diamond to the V2 ROM.

I'm lucky in that I make minimal use of my TG as a phone. When I do, it is not a pleasant experience- low volume and crackling. Plus the lack of hardware phone buttons with the screen blanking 'feature'' means ending a call is more complex than it ought to be.

Backups have to be copied to a PC or carry a spare SD card, as if the corruption occurs, there is a strong likelihood that the backup folder will be fried as well!

I've settled on a somewhat odd 'front end' now- using Panoramic Launchpad, SpB PockdtPlus, Resco Contacts 2 and SBSH PhoneWeaver. There is some duplication but each has its USP, and I still have nearly 70MB RAM after reset. This has been stable and reliable for 2 weeks now ( gosh- 2 whole weeks!)

Still sorely tempted by the Leo though :D

[Guest i900french-addict]

Sorry Columbo, I did not mean to offend you!

When I sometimes say "we" it's surely because I take into account the comments of people here+people on the French TG01 forum + people on the FpseCE forum using the TG01.

Sorry for this, I'll say "I" from now, or explain more precisly what communitty I'm talking about.

All I wanted to say is that some TG01 work really well, some don't, some work only after a few weeks fixing the bugs.

But for me i'm a bit pissed off when I see people saying the TG01 (and all of them) are bad ans shitty because they and many others have problems.

I swear some people (french forum + FpseCE forum) never had a single problem with their TG01 and never had to do a single hard reset.

As you say, I'm not "happy to accept bugs" or to see my TG01 "reseting while showing photos to friends", I just repeat it is something that doesn't happen anymore on my own TG01 since mid-July

I agree: you should maybe verify with your provider that this one is not just giving you one of the same stock.

What is sad is that so far you've mainly seen all the bad aspects and bugs of the TG01, it's not really fair since some others never experience them (Jclaude, on the french forum, never had a single reboot or SD corruption, not a single hard reset to do, that's the luckiest on this forum, especially since he has been installing lots of applications!)

Hope you'll get to the end of these difficulties soon!

And sorry again, I sometimes forget the "french writting style" may seem offensive when it's not meant to be so lol

Edited September 27, 2009 by i900french-addict

[Guest epdm]

OK...this is a phone! You want MP3? Buy an ipod. Video? Buy an MP4. Taking photos? Camera is for this....  Phone is used for communication!

I have been used a lot of phones. TERO 750, E90, P3600i, TyTN II, O2 LIFE and Flame, Diamond, Touch HD...... TG01 what I am using now, is not perfect, but is fastest I have been used! That's enough for a phone.

There is no such a perfect phone in the world. Phone is only as good as users. 

Do not like it? Change it! Take it easy. Good luck! :)

Change it? What throw 500 euros in the garbage and buy another 500 euro phone?

Not every country in the world works with call-plans that allow you to change a phone at will.

Also most plans require you to actually use the phone for at least 12 months before you may even think about changing for another model.

Manufacturers ought to realise that if we buy +500 euro devices we would like them to work out o/t box. In fact if I have to be a betatester for toshiba then they ought to pay ME 500 euro or at least give me the device for free (and allow me to fiddle with the firmware). I sorry for all those ppl who bought a high end device for premium money and have crappy experience.

For me it means I'll be using my Omnia (1) a bit longer.

Hope things work out well in the end (and keep us posted)

[Guest columbo]

Sorry Columbo, I did not mean to offend you!

When I sometimes say "we" it's surely because I take into account the comments of people here+people on the French TG01 forum + people on the FpseCE forum using the TG01.

Sorry for this, I'll say "I" from now, or explain more precisly what communitty I'm talking about.

All I wanted to say is that some TG01 work really well, some don't, some work only after a few weeks fixing the bugs.

But for me i'm a bit pissed off when I see people saying the TG01 (and all of them) are bad ans shitty because they and many others have problems.

I swear some people (french forum + FpseCE forum) never had a single problem with their TG01 and never had to do a single hard reset.

As you say, I'm not "happy to accept bugs" or to see my TG01 "reseting while showing photos to friends", I just repeat it is something that doesn't happen anymore on my own TG01 since mid-July

I agree: you should maybe verify with your provider that this one is not just giving you one of the same stock.

What is sad is that so far you've mainly seen all the bad aspects and bugs of the TG01, it's not really fair since some others never experience them (Jclaude, on the french forum, never had a single reboot or SD corruption, not a single hard reset to do, that's the luckiest on this forum, especially since he has been installing lots of applications!)

Hope you'll get to the end of these difficulties soon!

And sorry again, I sometimes forget the "french writting style" may seem offensive when it's not meant to be so lol

Thanks i900french-addict. I guess my english writing style was also a bit negative, so I too am sorry if I came across as offending. As you know, I've had a bad experience with successive TG01s, and I was feeling very frustrated when I wrote, which means I might have taken things more personally than I ought to have taken them.

I have calmed down since then and so has my TG01. The bugs are still there, but I haven't yet had any major card errors and I've been lucky enough to avoid random reboots for a little while. I don't know if it is my imagination, but since I've been avoiding using the built in SMS app (I use Vito SMS Chat), I haven't experienced reboots. Might be a coincidence, but it's enought to keep me relatively happy for now.

I'm sorry if I seemed to be saying that the TG01 is all negative. It is very close to being one of the best WM phones I've had in terms of its slim design and speed. Without the silly Toshiba interface, it is actually very fast with virtually no lag. That's why it is even more sad when suddenly it goes really slow for no apparent reason. It is as if the good points of the phone make the bad points stand out even more.

One thing that helps is the leaked WM 6.5 update from Orange mentioned elsewhere on this forum. It seems to have solved most of the volume problems and it now runs fairly smoothly. IE6 looks much nicer, but is very unstable when using Flash and somehow not as smooth as in 6.1. I'm hoping that Orange's official update on 12th October will not be the same build. Battery life seems a little bit worse with this update, but I will see if there is anything I can do to make it better. After all, I've only has this for a few hours! Apart from that, I am at least now no longer embarrased to show it to my iPhone owning friends. (Yes I know it's not an iPhone, but I want that to be a good thing!) With Kinoma Play, Opera 9.7, Fingerkeyboard and SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 installed, it a nearly perfect device.

It would be interesting to hear from any others who tried the update.

[Guest rammy121]

Take time to discover and learn to use this device!

I had a samsung Omnia before, ok, there are many differences.

I don't have many of the problems you give here, try various settings to solve them (Core player is working very fine with me, no problem to browse instantly in a 1Go HD video, same for the photos, the SD card problem doesn't occure anymore for me, my battery lasts 3 days when I use the good settings, etc)

As for the power, simply try Xtrakt and FpseCE to see what the TG01 can do.

I agree, the photo quality is poor (my omnia was better), but the video made with the TG01 are OK (much better than on my Omnia and its 5MP camera, vids were laggy as hell)

G-sensor? Like on my Omnia (just HTC dll were hacked for the omnia, so I had games using it)

cant listen to music and charge the phone at the same time? Only devices with a real 3.5 jack can do this, so not the majority.

HORRIBLE TOSHIBA INTERFACE? that's a matter of taste, I personaly use it just because the amount of possible shortcuts is huge. I think many people criticize it just because they don't know it's possible to change the stripes order and the icons....

Random reboots? SSRWOW most of the time is responsible.

ETC, etc

PATIENCE is required to deal with the TG01 at the beginning, but things turn much better once you're used to it.

totally agree. so far the few days i've had my tg01, it's knocked spots of my crappy omnia! the only sng, i just broke the tg01. put the usb cable in and it somehow must have pushed something against the screen from inside, so now the lcd fluid is...somewhere in the screen in the wrong place. anyway, much more happy with the tg01. maybe the omnia had more built in functionality but just hated it from day 1. my sixpence worth.

[Guest rammy121]

80% of the battery drain comes from the backligh adjust. I agree that a heavy use on sunny areas drains battery too fast. And regarding airports, you should thing on TG01 like a pocket laptop instead than as a phone. What we need on airports (and it's a problem on Spanish airports like Madrid and Barcelona) are plugs to connect our devices! (that's a problem also with laptops!) What about your airports? I always carry with me one or two fresh batteries in the pocket to be covered if my fly is delayed! (I can't do the same with my laptop <_< ) , the problem is that there are not spare batteries in the market for the TG01 yet...

...barajas sucks! try helsinki lounge, got it all!! usb ports, individual sound system, just plugin your ipod or the 3.5 mm male jack plug into your dev(p.c. etc) and way hey...you're under way!! state of the art. sorry, it's only in the lounges though.

[Guest rammy121]

My previous phone (HTC TYTN II) had exactly the same operating system, a 400mhz made by the same company, (less than half the power), no graphics drivers, and the same third party software. I never had any of the random reboots, slowdowns, battery cut-outs or the card corruption problems I have with the TG01. My friends could actually hear my talk to them and my phone told me exactly how much battery life I really had, rather than making me guess.

...sorry matey, i have to say about the tytn II...BEST work horse dog'n'bone i've ever had!! still got it, i have to keep mine a backup (Omnia poo poo!).

[Guest GabbaGabbaHey]

the problem is that there are not spare batteries in the market for the TG01 yet...

Oh yes there are ... have a look at item 140385527693 on eBay - or do a search on eBay for TG-01 and Mugen if you want higher capacity.

[Guest tristanc]

I love my TG and would prefer it to an iPhone. Ive had it nearly two months with no SD card corruption and the very rare random shutdown. I love it <_<

[Guest (InsertNameHere)]

Remember this? Edited March 13, 2010 by (InsertNameHere)

[Guest razzoo]

hi. i have a t01. went thru 8!!! 2 my fault. just upgraded to the newer version from toshiba. super super nice phone. and wile may not a a capacitive is resistant to knoks while the hd2 doesn't. runs all the games (about 15 so far superbly but no accelerator supported games yet . faster the iphone. i luv it. just added a keyboard with blueinput 1.5 and i have a small decent gaming console as well as work horse. and since WOW i have no sound quality issues. did i say how much i luv it?