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BAS-R,

that is good news. I have only received a mail asking for my personal details so they could forward the message

to T-Mobile. I have sent them a reminder, I wonder if I get a similar message as you.

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BAS-R,

that is good news. I have only received a mail asking for my personal details so they could forward the message

to T-Mobile. I have sent them a reminder, I wonder if I get a similar message as you.

Doesn't really matter who gets the source code. I already replied and asked them if they can send me a link to the source code so they can host the files. Otherwise I'll host them. Maybu Modaco will host them..?

Anyways, now it's really time for me to order a Pulse! (want a UK model, since it's ~33% cheaper than in NL)

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Positive further developments! I received the same mail quoted above...

Dear Paul´╝î

We refer to your email of October 26, 2009 to our email address [email protected] and the reply from our terminal customer service center.

We herein sincerely apologize for that reply not positively taking care of your request. The employee who replied to your email is not well trained in respect of free software knowledge, and she failed to timely forward your email to the appropriate person.

We always highly respect intellectual property right, including free software copyright and this can be partially demonstrated from the existence of GPL Written Offer in T-Mobile Pulse (Huawei 8220).

We shall provide you the Linux kernel source of T-Mobile Pulse (Huawei 8220) via Email or CD very soon.

Best regards,

***

Product Manager for Android smart phone of Huawei

:P

Of course, i've replied enquiring about future updates and offering testing services by myself and modaco staff / members... :D

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From my contact at the T-Mobile press office.

Dear Martin,

Thank you for your mail. Huawei are in the process of copying disks and open source software and they will send me CD copies for Wednesday next week and I will put one in the post for you. Please could you provide me with your postal address details and when you receive the CD and information.

My apologies for the delay in getting this information to you.

Positive further developments! I received the same mail quoted above...

:P

Of course, i've replied enquiring about future updates and offering testing services by myself and modaco staff / members... :D

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Hello everybody... Looks like we are getting somewhere. I emailed T-Mobile the other day, and I thought I'd be a bit more aggressive, risky I know, but I think it paid off. I've included my original email to Nicola Shenton (T-Mobile), and her reply:

=== EMAIL FROM ME TO NICOLA SHENTON AT T-MOBILE ===

Hello,

I am writing to you to make a formal request for either T-Mobile or

Huawei to release the modified Linux kernel source code for the

T-Mobile Pulse (Huawei 8220) device. Due to the fact that this devices

operating system is based on Linux source code, which is licenced

under the terms of the GNU Public Licence (GPL), you have a legal

requirement to release the source code of the kernel that you have

modified.

The entire concept of the GPL enables handset manufacturers to make

use of the Linux kernel within your products totally free of charge,

under the main condition that any changes you make to kernel must be

freely available for others to share. This is an "Open Source"

software concept. I'm sure you would not appreciate people stealing

your hard work and efforts in order to make a profit for themselves.

This is a legal requirement as explained in the GPLv2 licencing

document (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html). Several other

device manufacturers such as Linksys and Cisco have denied access to

their modified source code, and have been taken to court as a result.

I know you have pointed other people making this request to the

original Android kernel source code, however, this is insufficient, as

you have made changes to this kernel to adapt it to the T-Mobile Pulse

device, and therefore you are required to release this source code.

Obviously, I understand that it is mainly Huawei that must release

this source code, but you are distributing their device, and you must

be made aware that both T-Mobile and Huawei are violating the terms of

the GPLv2 contract, which is a fully recognised legal entity.

I would like to draw your attention to the GPL Violations website

located at: http://gpl-violations.org

This website details the reasons why source code disclosure is

required by law, and failure to comply will result in either T-Mobile

and/or Huawei from using the Linux kernel in future. This will

therefore make it impossible for you to legally produce and distribute

Android based devices.

The fact that Huawei are not a UK company and therefore somewhat

immune from UK, European and US copyright and licencing laws means the

ownership of this problem is yours as until the source code is

disclosed, you are technically contravening UK copyright and software

licencing laws.

I apologise if the tone of this email appears aggressive, however,

several other T-Mobile Pulse users have contacted both T-Mobile and

Huawei several times without a satisfactory outcome. We would like to

get this matter resolved quickly and efficiently in order to preserve

T-Mobile's reputation of supporting open source technologies such as

Google's Android platform, and enable us to produce and develop the

platform further, so it becomes the de facto mobile platform. This

will be in your best interests too, in terms of increased sales and

adoption of your Android based devices.

Many thanks for your time and continued efforts.

Kind regards,

Louis

=== REPLY FROM NICOLA SHENTON AT T-MOBILE, RECEIVED ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO ===

I have spoken with Huawei they are working to provide the code files

next week. We have also been working with them to improve the overall

distribution process to ensure all users can access the information as

required.

Once the details are finalised we will publish this information online.

Sorry for the delay in this matter.

Kind Regards,

Nicola Shenton

Head of Handset and Device Marketing, T-Mobile UK Ltd.

=== END OF EMAILS ===

Fingers crossed people!

I'm willing to donate for the cost of CD/Distribution material too!

Edited by JingleManSweep
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Also got this reply:

Hi Tom,

I have spoken with Huawei and they will send us the code files on CD

early next week. Once received we will post online or we can send a copy

directly to you. If you wish to receive via post please let us know the

relevant address.

Sorry for the delay in this matter.

Looking good.

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Sorry, edited my previous post to remove Nicola's contact details. Didn't think it was appropriate to publish her business landline and mobile telephone numbers on a public forum, considering how helpful she is being.

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FYI:

*from t-mobile*

Thank you for your email and query. Firstly my apologies for the slight

delayed response to your email as I have been speaking to Huawei (the

manufacturer of the T-Mobile Pulse) and wanted to give you a complete

answer.

Huawei are in the process of supplying T-Mobile with the GPL (General

Public License) Open Source code for the T-Mobile Pulse device.

I can confirm that T-Mobile will endeavour to have the open source code

posted on our website by close of business Friday 13th November.

Edited by bugthing
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FYI:

*from t-mobile*

Thank you for your email and query. Firstly my apologies for the slight

delayed response to your email as I have been speaking to Huawei (the

manufacturer of the T-Mobile Pulse) and wanted to give you a complete

answer.

Huawei are in the process of supplying T-Mobile with the GPL (General

Public License) Open Source code for the T-Mobile Pulse device.

I can confirm that T-Mobile will endeavour to have the open source code

posted on our website by close of business Friday 13th November.

I like that =] Thanks for the news. What's on the list to do then? A clean 2.0 rom with multitouch? I best start installing linux.

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I like that =] Thanks for the news. What's on the list to do then? A clean 2.0 rom with multitouch? I best start installing linux.

My list:

mods required for tethering.

mods required to get swap working on SD card.

.... but would also be v. interested in seeing 2.0 on the Pulse.

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I want to do...

- Swap

- Compcache

- EXT3/EXT4 support

- Tethering support

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Nice, they are the core components that make a rooted ROM work well. Appreciate your hard work!

Just wondered if you would ever consider doing a stock 1.6 build for the pulse?

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I would like to do stock builds for the Pulse and the Hero, but the truth is I just don't have time, so it's not planned atm.

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Hi Paul,

Can you point me in the direction of some documentation, howto's on buiding and installing new kernels on android?

Martin

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martinbrook: There's some documentation from Google here: http://source.android.com/download and here: http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream but it's not exactly extensive. There's also a good document on how android boots here: http://androidenea.blogspot.com/2009/06/an...m-power-on.html

Other than that I haven't really found any good documentation on the low levels of Android. Documentation seems to be one of Androids biggest weaknesses.

I plan to make some stock builds (+ tethering) available (hopefully of 2.0). Is ext2fs actually used in Android at all at the moment? Do people just want ext3fs for apps-on-sd support?

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martinbrook: There's some documentation from Google here: http://source.android.com/download and here: http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream but it's not exactly extensive. There's also a good document on how android boots here: http://androidenea.blogspot.com/2009/06/an...m-power-on.html

Other than that I haven't really found any good documentation on the low levels of Android. Documentation seems to be one of Androids biggest weaknesses.

I plan to make some stock builds (+ tethering) available (hopefully of 2.0). Is ext2fs actually used in Android at all at the moment? Do people just want ext3fs for apps-on-sd support?

Wahoo thats good news for me! Thats just what im looking for a stock rooted 2.0 build with wifi teather in it.

Im affraid that I dont know much about building ROMS myself, but I have a resonable knowledge on things that have been done with the Dream.

Ext3 is important for performance with Apps2SD, there were numerous posts with the Cyanogen ROMS where systems would grind to a halt when only using ext2 after only a few house. I dont think that support for ext4 is really necessary.

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