Where's the beef (memory)?

[Guest Goodge]

I got my Omnia 2 (i8000L) about 2 days ago, and I must say, I'm very disapponted with the memory usage/availability. Only 163MB of program storage, and 140MB of ram? Instantly at boot 70MB of my ram is gone, and it seems to leak away very quickly. I've switched out the SMS/Email program for the normal one, but kept the dialer. I've seen it so bad that I was on a Google results page after doing a search in Opera (with Opera being the ONLY program I had running), got a txt message, and Opera closed because I was out of memory??!

In the Omnia Settings -> Memory Settings -> Program RAM it shows a total of 256MB (which would certainly be acceptable), but literally 50% of that is "reserved" (whatever that's supposed to mean) and 25% is "In Use" immediately after startup. My old HTC Touch 1 with less ram was better at multitasking. Is anyone else seeing these memory deficiencies??

[Guest InvalidCast]

AFAIK (my case, and screenshots of other users), it's the same for everyone :)

[Guest Rdy2Go]

Downgrade to WM 6.1 ROM and see yourself plenty of free memory.

[Guest awarner (MVP)]

163mb of storage? that's better than mine. Newer ROMs (leaked from service centers) give you more space but then have less extras installed.

Depending on the ROM you have a lot of space is taken up with all the other additional applications that Samsung have decided to put on the device.

Plus the Touch Wiz interface takes up quite a bit from what I understand.

Reserved memory is what the OS is using, it's the same principle as youhome pc.

With Opera check the size of the cache, I found mine was fairly large but it also decided to keep everything I downloaded in it's cache as well as the destination folder I had selected.

Opera is now history on my device as uninstalling it certainly freed up some space giving me a whoping 45MB free in Main Storage until I then installed SPBmobileshell :)

a large Main Storage is not too vital as such as most apps should be installed elsewhere. I use the My Storage for applications and the storage card for all music, videos and photos.

[Guest andylyf]

Downgrade to WM 6.1 ROM and see yourself plenty of free memory.

nice joke u have got there...

best joke of year 2009.... :) :D

[Guest Yohng]

nice joke u have got there...

best joke of year 2009.... :) :D

Dont't laugh, I really thinking same 'andylyf' "Rdy2Go". (edit : my mistake)

Everybody congrulate WM6.5 : I don't. And I'm desappointed about.

Nothing realy new exept honeycomb "unsorted programs menu" and memory leak !

Finger access ? You could have with any shell !

Edited November 9, 2009 by Yohng

[Guest guy.user]

Dont't laugh, I really thinking same 'andylyf'.

Everybody congrulate WM6.5 : I don't. And I'm desappointed about.

Nothing realy new exept honeycomb "unsorted programs menu" and memory leak !

Finger access ? You could have with any shell !

I concur....not a big fan of 6.5.

Besides, my fingernail is just almost as good as stylus, so finger-friendliness was never an issue.

[Guest sys_error]

I concur....not a big fan of 6.5.

Besides, my fingernail is just almost as good as stylus, so finger-friendliness was never an issue.

LOL... who's care about 6.5 or toenail as stylus?

The thread title is "Where's the beef (memory)?"... dont stray off-topic!

[Guest andylyf]

I concur....not a big fan of 6.5.

Besides, my fingernail is just almost as good as stylus, so finger-friendliness was never an issue.

you are just a frog in a well.... u havent seen the potential of WM6.5....

[Guest Goodge]

This device came preloaded with 6.5 from my carrier. It just seems absurd that it would have so little memory available. Really, what's the "reserved" memory? The OS is taking 25% to load...where's the other 50% going??

[Guest ray1234]

Absolutely agree. I disabled the TouchWiz stuff the 1st day I got my O2, and I wish all the TouchWiz stuff is out of the main memory so that I can use it for programs needing fast access, e.g. cache. AFAIK, main memory is still the fastest memory although O2 has already improved a lot on memory access time for 'My Storage' and 'Storage Card' compared to O1.

I have 90MB free ram after disabling the TouchWiz, which is enough for general multi-tasking and I don't experience programs 'jumping out' and close itself. However, I don't mind more memory for better multi-tasking. Having only 140MB at bootup means over 110MB is reserved for system, that's too much isn't it? My O1 use up less memory reserved (obviously because it only has 128MB) and I don't see how O2 has benefited from the additional RAM it used for reserve compared to O1. I believe the other manufacturer's reserve ram are mostly used for page pool, other stuff only use up 20-30MB at most. Where is the 110MB used up in for O2? I'm interested in knowing......

And I'm waiting for a clean rom, without all the useless TouchWiz and Samsung proprietary stuff, so that I can have at least 200-300MB main memory to spare, and hopefullly more RAM by getting rid of the Samsung proprietary menus. I actually hate the O2 menus, as they can only be accessed via the Samsung menu, there is no individual settings in the normal WM6.1 settings menu, e.g. I cannot access XTRA settings without going through layers of menu to choose, whereas in O1 I can set a shortcut to access XTRA settings directly.....

[Guest Tylwith]

I cannot access XTRA settings without going through layers of menu to choose, whereas in O1 I can set a shortcut to access XTRA settings directly.....

you can make a link that points to gpssettings.exe from your windows directory

[Guest pajaa]

Absolutely agree. I disabled the TouchWiz stuff the 1st day I got my O2, and I wish all the TouchWiz stuff is out of the main memory so that I can use it for programs needing fast access, e.g. cache. AFAIK, main memory is still the fastest memory although O2 has already improved a lot on memory access time for 'My Storage' and 'Storage Card' compared to O1.

I have 90MB free ram after disabling the TouchWiz, which is enough for general multi-tasking and I don't experience programs 'jumping out' and close itself. However, I don't mind more memory for better multi-tasking. Having only 140MB at bootup means over 110MB is reserved for system, that's too much isn't it? My O1 use up less memory reserved (obviously because it only has 128MB) and I don't see how O2 has benefited from the additional RAM it used for reserve compared to O1. I believe the other manufacturer's reserve ram are mostly used for page pool, other stuff only use up 20-30MB at most. Where is the 110MB used up in for O2? I'm interested in knowing......

And I'm waiting for a clean rom, without all the useless TouchWiz and Samsung proprietary stuff, so that I can have at least 200-300MB main memory to spare, and hopefullly more RAM by getting rid of the Samsung proprietary menus. I actually hate the O2 menus, as they can only be accessed via the Samsung menu, there is no individual settings in the normal WM6.1 settings menu, e.g. I cannot access XTRA settings without going through layers of menu to choose, whereas in O1 I can set a shortcut to access XTRA settings directly.....

Hi,

will you be so kind to explain how do you have so much 90MB free ram, I can get ~80MB

Regards

[Guest DunKnow]

I am also wondering what does the reserved ram does.... BUT we have to take into consideration that our device screen is WVGA and it cannot be compared to old devices such as HTC Touch. The graphics is totally taking up alot of space and processing. Hope that someone will enlighten us. :)

Edited November 9, 2009 by DunKnow

[Guest Goodge]

I am also wondering what does the reserved ram does.... BUT we have to take into consideration that our device screen is WVGA and it cannot be compared to old devices such as HTC Touch. The graphics is totally taking up alot of space and processing. Hope that someone will enlighten us. :)

Sure, I'll give them some for that. But why "reserve" memory. If it's not needed, don't take it. The reserved memory never changes either, it's always 50%.

I do hate all of the Samsung TouchWiz stuff too. The only thing I like is the dialer, but is it worth 10MB of memory when we have so little? I'd turn it off, but then you lose video calling... :|

Edited November 9, 2009 by Goodge

[Guest TheGoDxxxx]

Wow, since this is my first ppc I actually thought that the Reserved Memory is the os and wondered what the other 60-70 MB that get eaten at boot might could be.

I dont belive that the higher display resolution of the O2 justifies the extra ram because the larger framebuffer should only be 1 MB or so more than qvga-devices.

But just for the sake of argument, can anybody post how much memory other wvga-devices has after boot up?

Edited November 9, 2009 by TheGoDxxxx

[Guest awarner (MVP)]

Interesting about memory leak, fortunately for me it's one thing I have not encountered apart from playing around with the camers etc on the first day of use. Since then there has not been a problem for me.

[Guest swiftgs]

Maybe changing the pagepool can free some extra megabytes :)

[Guest TheGoDxxxx]

Maybe changing the pagepool can free some extra megabytes :)

Can u explain that further?

[Guest swiftgs]

Can u explain that further?

In general, pagepool defines how the memory is used. You can use memory in larger blocks for faster performance. Decreasing the pagepool will free up RAM. (see it as a swap file). The only thing with changing the pagepool is you can risk stability issues.

Anyhow, for changing the pagepool you have to make a custom ROM :) or make an application to set it...

[Guest DunKnow]

If we compare our device with touch HD which is a one year old device. Touch HD originally has 110mb of ram and physically 280++ ram. If we minus away the extra 30mb, Touch HD will have 80mb free whereas we have around 60mb free. That is really a huge difference.... may i know if the dedicated graphic chip eats up the ram?

[Guest Goodge]

In general, pagepool defines how the memory is used. You can use memory in larger blocks for faster performance. Decreasing the pagepool will free up RAM. (see it as a swap file). The only thing with changing the pagepool is you can risk stability issues.

Anyhow, for changing the pagepool you have to make a custom ROM :) or make an application to set it...

Yah, I'd definately think someone at Omnia set the pagepool wrong. I'd love to mess with it, but as you said you need your own ROM...and having an i8000L...no roms even exist yet :D

Do you know of any applications that can set it? Or would it be a device specific app?

[Guest Tylwith]

If we compare our device with touch HD which is a one year old device. Touch HD originally has 110mb of ram and physically 280++ ram. If we minus away the extra 30mb, Touch HD will have 80mb free whereas we have around 60mb free. That is really a huge difference.... may i know if the dedicated graphic chip eats up the ram?

touch hd was on 6.1 if you got h5 (a 6.1 rom) disable the samsung widget i got about 96 mb free after a reset ... not to bad on 6.5 depending of the rom about 76mb so that's not too far. i didn't hear about any ram reserved for the graphic chipset...

[Guest Goodge]

touch hd was on 6.1 if you got h5 (a 6.1 rom) disable the samsung widget i got about 96 mb free after a reset ... not to bad on 6.5 depending of the rom about 76mb so that's not too far. i didn't hear about any ram reserved for the graphic chipset...

When you say "disable the samsung widget", are you referring to just the Today screen, or something more? I use the samsung dialer for video calling...was there something beyond that?

[Guest sorg]

Omnia 2 ROMs all have 20mb of PagePool. I think it's crazy value. It should be at least half of that.

I didn't see any difference in performance (and it was prooved several years ago already) if PP size more than 8MB - only to waste of precious RAM.