Android 2.1 with sense soon????

[Guest commodoor]

what? BlueX is working on HERO 1.5?

You can send files over bluetooth (but didn't work well for me). and mine main concern isn't sneding files over bluetooth but pairing with devices. It just doesn't work that well.

And i think HTC can release a update for Hero, they making the sensUI for the new phones of HTC so its just porting it to the hero they don't have to put a team especially for the hero. its not that hard maybe a little optimization but thats it. you guys are talking like they stopped programming.

Hero was really a successor (and i think its still selling), it can handle 2.1 with ease. So why not updating the phone?

[Guest masterpfa]

No thank you. A generic release would have to contain lots of drivers for hardware you don't have in order to also work on all other phones.

No bloat please.

Don't get me wrong, the last thing I would be looking for is a generic release (I'm sure I made no reference to asking for such).

The delays we are having are probably with HTC integrating Sense UI or developing Sense UI further or even as has been suggested elsewhere, not wanting to offer features that are available on their new phones for their older models, G1, MyTouch & Hero. But if 2.1 was released officially, for us, on theses forums there are enough developers who could work their magic and produce the ROMS to fulfil most needs.

As we are talking on this HTC Hero forum and coming as a HTC user I would be looking for a HTC Hero release

The sort of features I would like, would be, the improved market,google maps navigation, improved Contacts layout, power control etc. These are features of the Android system not bloat. Features like the Google Maps Navigation can easily be removed if not required, bloat IMHO would be features supplied by the likes of HTC and Motorola on top of any OS

[Guest Khrushchev]

CHECK IT... not sure about the source.

Tweakers.net translation

I hope google translate does it right...

Tweakers.net is usually a little late with news... so I was a little suprised to see this here first.

anywho... hope its true, even if its late.

Khrush

[Guest Need_A_Username]

CHECK IT... not sure about the source.

Tweakers.net translation

I hope google translate does it right...

Tweakers.net is usually a little late with news... so I was a little suprised to see this here first.

anywho... hope its true, even if its late.

Khrush

Finally a date! Pretty late, but still, a date ;)

And I've read the original as well, the translation is pretty accurate ;-)

[Guest The_IMF]

Finally a date! Pretty late, but still, a date ;)

And I've read the original as well, the translation is pretty accurate ;-)

Mid-March 2011 :-)

Android is p*ssing me off. If phone companies are going to offer upgrades only every 18 months; what's the point in buying a phone which'll be out of date after 6 months??? I still have a year left before I can upgrade and I'm reading that Android 2.1 is the last stop for the Hero. So when 2.2 comes out, then we're stuffed with a phone where all the new apps won't work on. What's the point???

I guess that's one thing that the crappy iphone has got right... the 3GS didn't make the 3G obsolete.

[Guest Need_A_Username]

Mid-March 2011 :-)

Android is p*ssing me off. If phone companies are going to offer upgrades only every 18 months; what's the point in buying a phone which'll be out of date after 6 months??? I still have a year left before I can upgrade and I'm reading that Android 2.1 is the last stop for the Hero. So when 2.2 comes out, then we're stuffed with a phone where all the new apps won't work on. What's the point???

I guess that's one thing that the crappy iphone has got right... the 3GS didn't make the 3G obsolete.

haha 2011, yeah I know what you mean, but it's not Google's fault I think. They bring out a lot of android releases, it's just HTC that's not brining them to their phones I guess

But yeah I'm in the same situation as you, will only be able to upgrade in like September/October, so if 2.1 would be the last stop at the Hero, that would suck bigtime!

[Guest The_IMF]

haha 2011, yeah I know what you mean, but it's not Google's fault I think. They bring out a lot of android releases, it's just HTC that's not brining them to their phones I guess

But yeah I'm in the same situation as you, will only be able to upgrade in like September/October, so if 2.1 would be the last stop at the Hero, that would suck bigtime!

It's not Google that I'm venting my frustration at. It's the Android phone manufacturers! I have a PDA from about 5 years ago which has a faster processor and more on board RAM and ROM and I can sell that PDA on eBay for about £15 now. What's the point in giving us devices in 2009/2010 with such little RAM/ROM and a pansy processor when they know that within 6 months; they'll be at their limit? At least with PC's you can upgrade your RAM and HD to support a new OS but with these phones; you're stuffed! I'm sure they knew that it'd be obsolete pretty soon as well and they still went ahead with it.

Stuff like this is just going to turn people away from Android. The fact that there are applications out there on the market (and some pretty decent ones) that we cannot even find on the Hero due to the fact we're still on 1.5 is annoying! No multi touch support in 99% of the apps in 1.5. When 2.2 comes out (or 2.5 or whatever number they want to jump to); we'll be stuffed and have to rely on people like Paul to help us out.

It's not just HTC, the other Android manufacturers are doing the same thing with the low RAM/ROM.

Reminds me of the early days of Microsoft v Apple... when if you bought a PC for £2000, it'd be obsolete in 6 months because they moved to PCI cards etc.

[Guest Need_A_Username]

It's not Google that I'm venting my frustration at. It's the Android phone manufacturers! I have a PDA from about 5 years ago which has a faster processor and more on board RAM and ROM and I can sell that PDA on eBay for about £15 now. What's the point in giving us devices in 2009/2010 with such little RAM/ROM and a pansy processor when they know that within 6 months; they'll be at their limit? At least with PC's you can upgrade your RAM and HD to support a new OS but with these phones; you're stuffed! I'm sure they knew that it'd be obsolete pretty soon as well and they still went ahead with it.

Stuff like this is just going to turn people away from Android. The fact that there are applications out there on the market (and some pretty decent ones) that we cannot even find on the Hero due to the fact we're still on 1.5 is annoying! No multi touch support in 99% of the apps in 1.5. When 2.2 comes out (or 2.5 or whatever number they want to jump to); we'll be stuffed and have to rely on people like Paul to help us out.

It's not just HTC, the other Android manufacturers are doing the same thing with the low RAM/ROM.

Reminds me of the early days of Microsoft v Apple... when if you bought a PC for £2000, it'd be obsolete in 6 months because they moved to PCI cards etc.

Yeah you've got a point there, support should be a lot better. But I kinda don't know what I would like more. No Sense UI and all the updates, or less updates but with Sense UI, cause I really LOVE the sense UI ;) :D And I don't know about the cpu, it's ok I guess, 528 was the standard until the HD2, but the RAM indeed is just stupid :(

[Guest commodoor]

It's not Google that I'm venting my frustration at. It's the Android phone manufacturers! I have a PDA from about 5 years ago which has a faster processor and more on board RAM and ROM and I can sell that PDA on eBay for about £15 now. What's the point in giving us devices in 2009/2010 with such little RAM/ROM and a pansy processor when they know that within 6 months; they'll be at their limit? At least with PC's you can upgrade your RAM and HD to support a new OS but with these phones; you're stuffed! I'm sure they knew that it'd be obsolete pretty soon as well and they still went ahead with it.

Stuff like this is just going to turn people away from Android. The fact that there are applications out there on the market (and some pretty decent ones) that we cannot even find on the Hero due to the fact we're still on 1.5 is annoying! No multi touch support in 99% of the apps in 1.5. When 2.2 comes out (or 2.5 or whatever number they want to jump to); we'll be stuffed and have to rely on people like Paul to help us out.

It's not just HTC, the other Android manufacturers are doing the same thing with the low RAM/ROM.

Reminds me of the early days of Microsoft v Apple... when if you bought a PC for £2000, it'd be obsolete in 6 months because they moved to PCI cards etc.

+1

You really put it nice, and i fully agree. They can use higher Ram/Rom (even CPU). 2 years ago(maybe more) they had 256Ram/512Rom now 2 years later they have still 256Ram/512Rom.

[Guest Lordsmiff]

You sound like a bunch of teenagers stood on a dark street corner whining about how totally unfair the world is and you hate your parents for not giving you extra spends to go to the pictures with your mates ;)

If you want a phone with a 3GHz 64-bit intel quad core i7 processor, I'm pretty sure it would be possible for someone to make you one...your battery would only last about 6 minutes but what a six minutes, eh??!?

Failing that, the next time you a buy a phone, drop the manufacturer an email and ask them if they would be so kind as to stop releasing new phones until you are getting close to the end of your 18-month contract.

It's about time everyone grew up and accepted that technology moves on. It's pretty much a guarantee that whatever you buy, there will be several things better in the next 6-9 months, be it computers, laptops, smartphones, toasters...whatever..it's the way the world works.

You don't think Apple drip fed features into the iPhone...? Video camera, MMS, cut and paste.

And the new 3GS is much faster than the old 3G and might not have made it obsolete but it damn well made it a lot less desirable...exactly like the next set of android based phones will be do to the hero. It's the way the world works - if you don't like the pace of development, get a nokia 1100 and sit on your front porch laughing at all the "suckers" walking past with their fancy-shmantzy posing toys.

Otherwise, accept that things will move on, quickly, and stop whining about how unfair HTC are being. We are going to get 2.1 but not before bed time, OK kids? ;-P

[Guest The_IMF]

You sound like a bunch of teenagers stood on a dark street corner whining about how totally unfair the world is and you hate your parents for not giving you extra spends to go to the pictures with your mates ;)

Name calling? Is this a slagging match kind sir? Well by the tone of your post; You sound like that grumpy spotty kid in the corner who hasn't got any for a very long time sir.

If you want a phone with a 3GHz 64-bit intel quad core i7 processor, I'm pretty sure it would be possible for someone to make you one...your battery would only last about 6 minutes but what a six minutes, eh??!?

Riiiggghht. So more ROM and RAM will kill the battery completely. Makes sense... oh wait you ignored that and went straight onto the processor (despite the fact that most companies will be using a snapdragon processor which has been around long enough). How very intelligent of you sir. How dare we question the companies who give us small RAM/ROM in our handsets which we end up paying in excess of around £300 for over the course of 18 months.

Failing that, the next time you a buy a phone, drop the manufacturer an email and ask them if they would be so kind as to stop releasing new phones until you are getting close to the end of your 18-month contract.

It's about time everyone grew up and accepted that technology moves on. It's pretty much a guarantee that whatever you buy, there will be several things better in the next 6-9 months, be it computers, laptops, smartphones, toasters...whatever..it's the way the world works.

Yes because everyone can afford to throw £300 on a bloody phone like yourself kind sir.

I bought a Lenovo T60 laptop for £140 second hand a year ago and I am now running windows 7 on it without a glitch. Now THAT is value for money.

Is it wrong for a consumer to ask for some value for money? Without grinches like you coming out and growling in your "holier than thou" attitude?? Do one mate. You're a fool for blowing up at me for that.

Value for money. Get it? Understand?

You don't think Apple drip fed features into the iPhone...? Video camera, MMS, cut and paste.

Did Apple tell people to buy new phones if they wanted MMS and cut and paste? No they didn't.

And the new 3GS is much faster than the old 3G and might not have made it obsolete but it damn well made it a lot less desirable...exactly like the next set of android based phones will be do to the hero. It's the way the world works - if you don't like the pace of development, get a nokia 1100 and sit on your front porch laughing at all the "suckers" walking past with their fancy-shmantzy posing toys.

Errm... it's not actually that much faster seeing as you don't multi task on the iphone. The only thing faster is the internet connection and the ability to use AR (which is such a big hit isn't it?). The next gen of Android phones will run software which the Hero will not be able to. Hardly the same thing. Especially since it was such a long time between the 3G and the 3GS. People got the 3G and upgraded to the 3GS in fine. They didn't get the 3G and be hit with the 3GS within 6 months of buying the 3G when it was brand new.

Otherwise, accept that things will move on, quickly, and stop whining about how unfair HTC are being. We are going to get 2.1 but not before bed time, OK kids? ;-P

Yes sir!

[Guest Lordsmiff]

You sound like that grumpy spotty kid in the corner who hasn't got any for a very long time sir.

Actually, I was the grumpy fat kid. I'm still fat. I'm not grumpy though, just realistic. As for anything else in that statement, my wife does not like me to talk about such things in public fora.

oh wait you ignored that and went straight onto the processor

I didn't ignore the memory issues at all but as that is not where the hardware platform is changing significantly, I chose not to comment on it. The big changes upcoming for android hardware are all to do with processor power.

Is it wrong for a consumer to ask for some value for money?

Value for money. Get it? Understand?

I wouldn't have bought the phone if I didn't think it was value for money...only a fool would buy something based on the value that possible, un-announced future upgrades might give it. The phone is cool as it is - if HTC turn round tomorrow and say they're not going to do 2.1 because it's too difficult or they don't have the resources, I would be disappointed like everyone, sure, but I wouldn't be worrying that my phone will obsolete by the time I get out bed the following morning.

Did Apple tell people to buy new phones if they wanted MMS and cut and paste? No they didn't.

Did google \ htc \ motorola tell you to buy new phones if you want more features \ new OS touches? No, they haven't. In exactly the same way as Apple do, new features and new interfaces and shiny new widgets get added to entice customers into upgrading their phones to newer models.

The next gen of Android phones will run software which the Hero will not be able to.

I can see your response to this coming a mile but I'm going to ask anyway...so? It's called progress and it's something people just don't seem to get, including you. Really, what software are you going to be missing that much?

...and be hit with the 3GS within 6 months of buying the 3G when it was brand new

6 months is hardly brand new. The pace of change for android has been very fast, admittedly but that was the point of my post - should that pace be slowed down to stop people's phones becoming last gen too soon? Should manufacturers continue to dedicate resources to old phones? I personally don't expect any firmware updates unless there's issues with the shipping version. I'm grateful that there is going to be one but obviously, I'm a little more realistic with my expectations than some other people.

[Guest kosmiq]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUxMzc3NzYw.html

a video with 2.1 on Hero ;)

[Guest masterpfa]

Actually, I was the grumpy fat kid. I'm still fat. I'm not grumpy though, just realistic. As for anything else in that statement, my wife does not like me to talk about such things in public fora.

I didn't ignore the memory issues at all but as that is not where the hardware platform is changing significantly, I chose not to comment on it. The big changes upcoming for android hardware are all to do with processor power.

I wouldn't have bought the phone if I didn't think it was value for money...only a fool would buy something based on the value that possible, un-announced future upgrades might give it. The phone is cool as it is - if HTC turn round tomorrow and say they're not going to do 2.1 because it's too difficult or they don't have the resources, I would be disappointed like everyone, sure, but I wouldn't be worrying that my phone will obsolete by the time I get out bed the following morning.

Did google \ htc \ motorola tell you to buy new phones if you want more features \ new OS touches? No, they haven't. In exactly the same way as Apple do, new features and new interfaces and shiny new widgets get added to entice customers into upgrading their phones to newer models.

I can see your response to this coming a mile but I'm going to ask anyway...so? It's called progress and it's something people just don't seem to get, including you. Really, what software are you going to be missing that much?

6 months is hardly brand new. The pace of change for android has been very fast, admittedly but that was the point of my post - should that pace be slowed down to stop people's phones becoming last gen too soon? Should manufacturers continue to dedicate resources to old phones? I personally don't expect any firmware updates unless there's issues with the shipping version. I'm grateful that there is going to be one but obviously, I'm a little more realistic with my expectations than some other people.

COMMUNICATION is what we need.

We are all prepared to wait, but initially with not being given a time scale this doesn't help and then being drip fed different release dates via Twitter etc is also not good. I mean if "1st quarter" ends up being some time in 2010, people will not be pleased.

I understand, any company, does not want to commit to a time factor they cannot meet, hence the 1st quarter time scale.

I also understand the commercial aspects, but good customer service is usually accompanied by good customer support i.e. keeping you existing customers happy.

You don't think Apple drip fed features into the iPhone...? Video camera, MMS, cut and paste.

IMHO apple not offering MMS on the iPhone was because the designers believed with mobile e-mail being available to most people, they would promote this aspect with no need to provide MMS support (Not the case). But this and "cut, copy and paste" were added as software updates. Pointing out the failing of another company does nothing for this discussion.

With my choice of phone, I had waited some time before choosing the HTC Hero, as I could not find any details on the web of any upcoming phones at the time (Sept '09). I could have played the waiting game, but hey, there are always going to be newer more advanced models just around the corner, so I accept progress and commercialism.

At the end of the day I will look forward to this update when ever it comes, just less of the "2.1 coming to HTC Hero" releases on blogs world wide and more communication directly please HTC ;)

Edited February 12, 2010 by masterpfa

[Guest Lordsmiff]

I agree about the communication point - but I would add that being too specific with dates then repeatedly failing to meet them would be even more annoying for customers than the woolly "1st quarter".

If they get it out in March, then it's on time I suppose and as much as we are all anticipating this release and chomping at the bit, we won't have too much scope for complaint if it comes when they said it would, however vague that might be ;)

I agree that comparing them to other companies is of little value as, they are all the same. People look at some companies with rose-tinted spectacles and don't see the commercial reasons behind certain decisions - but regardless, I think your point about email over MMS is a good one and makes sense to me.

I could have played the waiting game, but hey, there are always going to be newer more advanced models just around the corner, so I accept progress and commercialism.

This is pretty much the only point I was trying to make with my "rant". I should know better than to make posts late at night when I'm tired - it's not the first time I've missed smilies out of my posts and inadvertently upset people :D

Is it just me or is this quarter of the year going particularly slowly...? ;-)

Edited February 12, 2010 by Lordsmiff