Why I went back to 6.1 - Battery Drain and M2Dv2 restarts

[Guest DLCI]

Well, there are great cookers, which 6.5 ROMs are fantastic. I've used for a month OCK ROMs but yesterday I went back to Khuanchai's 6.1 ROM. In my opinion the battery issue is not that significant. The memory usage is the main problem. Who knows may be one day I will try again wm6.5 ROMs.

Regarding the memory usage - if you cleanup the \windows\startup folder a bit I think you can reach the multitasking of wm6.1. At least I don't see a diff with my phone currently-can run skype, parlingo, poutlook,opera mini and smth else on top at the same time without significant lag.

Battery drain is killing me (for example skype+ bad coverage). Don't know if MS has done smth wrong with the WM6.5 baseband in general though.

Offtopic: I think there's smth completely broken in the 2G-3G-3G+ interoperability concept and I'm afraid soon we'll have to forget the nice looking slim phones and go back to the heavy brick concept with 2000+ mAh batteries

P.S. I don't use SPB shell or M2D. But I do have S2U2 instead (which is the root cause for 80% of the issue I had/have IMHO.). All of these addons influence quite badly the battery life and the free resources.

Edited April 23, 2010 by DLCI

[Guest Sb.]

try this ROM by K-RADD- http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-general...oundation-roms/ I'm using it at the moment and its awesome!

He says "For better stability especially M2D V2 we recommend to flash phone.bin ZHIE1 or the PUJA1 phone.bin.

ZHIE1 XP | ZHIE1 Vista" so maybe you can try that.

Cheers! :huh:

Edited April 23, 2010 by Sb.

[Guest dimera]

Regarding the memory usage ....

Agree on most points but take for example M2DV2 6.5 ROM /I like manila interface/. 42%-44% of used RAM. A single lock with the wm6.5 lock screen and the RAM used is 47% ...

Now am with 6.1. ROM and classic manila. 31% - 33% memory usage. Just locked the phone with the wm6.1. lock screen and I am still at 33% memory usage. This means that I will not reset my phone every 4-5-10 hours and less lag. From my experience when our Omnias reach 50-55% of memory usage they start to struggle. And 50-55% with 6.5 rom can be reached very easily :huh:

Edited April 23, 2010 by dimera

[Guest andrew.mazlim]

Like we talking each other for dozen times, the i900s are made for 6.1. Remember, we didn't have a single rummor for "6.5s" when the i900 released! So... i900's hardware is made for 6.1s. Like it or not (I don't, I like beutiful UIs; and 6.5s are more beautiful), if you want a "nice/good looking" phone, you choosing 6.5s. If you like a phone as much as STABLE/FAST, you HAVE to "down-grade" to 6.1s.

It's true, not my opinion. It's the agly truth. We wish i900 to supporting 3D, having better/faste cpu and such, but it doesn't.

Right now, I'm testing a "Clean" COM5 rom from Anzo. Anzo is a fine "cooker", very careful what he "cooks" and how. It's pretty fast, is very stable... but NOT as stable as Shokka9's v.17-23 WM6.1 or KC's 21001 (port from OMNIA II) WM 6.1 roms!!!

Unfortunatelly, I'm testing over 4-5 COM5s the last 4-5 days... and all these COM5s can't "beat" a GOOD "cooked" WM6.1 (in stability/speed/memory).

Perhaps we should consider... buy a new, modern, HTC device?! Hahaha...

Edited April 23, 2010 by andrew.mazlim

[Guest jms2367]

M8s (hi Cypriot fellow!)...

I've tested 60+ roms so far!!! Since last July, I've "flashed" soooooo many roms, so I was praying my OMNIA to... stay alive!!! I'm friend with SECTOR and I'm good friend with SHOKKA9 aswell... I've test many-many "cookers'" roms, especially these two fellows' roms... I've "flashed" 6.1 as much as 6.5 roms.

My final conclusion is this:

As far as I tested 6.5s, I didn't find a SINGLE 6.5 rom without problems! One "cooker's" rom has problems/lags in something, another "cooker's" rom has in something else.

I didn't find a GOOD, STABLE 6.5 rom - except maybe "Zeus" Lite of SECTOR or v.17 & v.18 of SHOKKA9. But even these, had problems...

(Of course, since last October when I've "flashed" THIS BRILLIANT 6.1 from OMNIA II rom, I didn't test any new build's 6.5, so perhaps there are some good/stable 6.5s)

From the 6.1 roms, I've tested many, but I don't think there is ANY OTHER BETTER than THIS AMAZING "Omnia II for i900" rom!

So... I'm TRULLY asking our "cheff" here, our asian "cooker", if he can work in a new build of THIS rom here...

Cheers to all.

Like we talking each other for dozen times, the i900s are made for 6.1. Remember, we didn't have a single rummor for "6.5s" when the i900 released! So... i900's hardware is made for 6.1s. Like it or not (I don't, I like beutiful UIs; and 6.5s are more beautiful), if you want a "nice/good looking" phone, you choosing 6.5s. If you like a phone as much as STABLE/FAST, you HAVE to "down-grade" to 6.1s.

It's true, not my opinion. It's the agly truth. We wish i900 to supporting 3D, having better/faste cpu and such, but it doesn't.

Right now, I'm testing a "Clean" COM5 rom from Anzo. Anzo is a fine "cooker", very careful what he "cooks" and how. It's pretty fast, is very stable... but NOT as stable as Shokka9's v.17-23 WM6.1 or KC's 21001 (port from OMNIA II) WM 6.1 roms!!!

Unfortunatelly, I'm testing over 4-5 COM5s the last 4-5 days... and all these COM5s can't "beat" a GOOD "cooked" WM6.1 (in stability/speed/memory).

Perhaps we should consider... buy a new, modern, HTC device?! Hahaha...

off topic. i was wondering why you guys (lupus and andrew) have the same writing style with lots of quotation marks (" ") in your sentences. maybe just a coincidence.

anyway, i have to agree that wm6.1 is much stable than wm6.5. wm6.1 has better memory management. if not for the kinetic scrolling in the wm6.5 roms among other things, i would revert back to wm6.1. for battery life, wm6.1 and wm6.5 in my experience, there is not that a big difference for me, but wm6.1 has a slight advantage in terms of battery life but it is no big deal. there is a thread re battery enhancement. i attached the cab. cheers. :huh:

AhenBatteryEnhancement.cab

[Guest Sb.]

Like we talking each other for dozen times, the i900s are made for 6.1. Remember, we didn't have a single rummor for "6.5s" when the i900 released! So... i900's hardware is made for 6.1s. Like it or not (I don't, I like beutiful UIs; and 6.5s are more beautiful), if you want a "nice/good looking" phone, you choosing 6.5s. If you like a phone as much as STABLE/FAST, you HAVE to "down-grade" to 6.1s.

It's true, not my opinion. It's the agly truth. We wish i900 to supporting 3D, having better/faste cpu and such, but it doesn't.

Right now, I'm testing a "Clean" COM5 rom from Anzo. Anzo is a fine "cooker", very careful what he "cooks" and how. It's pretty fast, is very stable... but NOT as stable as Shokka9's v.17-23 WM6.1 or KC's 21001 (port from OMNIA II) WM 6.1 roms!!!

Unfortunatelly, I'm testing over 4-5 COM5s the last 4-5 days... and all these COM5s can't "beat" a GOOD "cooked" WM6.1 (in stability/speed/memory).

Perhaps we should consider... buy a new, modern, HTC device?! Hahaha...

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't touch Flo (M2D) made for HTC along with all the other stuff that were using in our Samsungs?. So who's to say that 6.5 wasn't made for i900's? its ported and tweaked like everything else including the 6.1 ROM from an i8000 that you recommend using. I don't think that you need an HTC HD2 to run 6.5 as its lightning quick on my i900.

When I bought my i900 I had a feeling of being deceived as it was slow, lagged, froze and the list goes on and on windows 6.1 is crap and it looks even worse. It was only good when I started using SPB to hide the standard crap and give it some speed or like everyone else using 6.1 has to run M2D to make it usable .

6.5 is stable, fast and looks fantastic and the standard UI is usable to a degree without the stylus which is its main point over 6.1, and don't even mention the mouse because if you have a case over your phone its a nightmare to use in 6.1.

I also believe that every phone is different just like we all are and some ROM's and programs work differently on certain phones, so if it works best for you stick to what works best on your device and works well for your needs be it 6.1 or 6.5. We can argue the differences till the end of time but it comes down to personal taste. :huh:

Have you guys tried ROM's from the 21XXX branch? maybe that's your style and speed needs.

Good luck guys!

[Guest stirkac]

if you want to know why 6.5's are crappy i'll give you a hand :huh:

well, you all know that omnia original ROM's are 6.1 They use 6.1 OEM(sansung in this case)XIP kernel. This is only part you cannot really change, since samsung holds it's source code. OEMXIP got updated with new original releases(dxia2,dxia5.....). But with 6.5 they arent, because samsung would have to buy a whole new licence for 2 yr. old device. We would get official update then...

Mainly people @xda got 6.5's working because it's so similar to 6.1 OEMXIP(shows how much M$ has done :P )

You can see by yourself there are some differences in RAM managment in 6.1/.5, so there are incompatibilities. If xip's were exactly the same, you could run 6.1 on HD2 for example...

It's just the way it is, some prefer one, some others. it's personal perference. but facts can't be changed....

[Guest Sb.]

off topic. i was wondering why you guys (lupus and andrew) have the same writing style with lots of quotation marks (" ") in your sentences. maybe just a coincidence.

anyway, i have to agree that wm6.1 is much stable than wm6.5. wm6.1 has better memory management. if not for the kinetic scrolling in the wm6.5 roms among other things, i would revert back to wm6.1. for battery life, wm6.1 and wm6.5 in my experience, there is not that a big difference for me, but wm6.1 has a slight advantage in terms of battery life but it is no big deal. there is a thread re battery enhancement. i attached the cab. cheers. :huh:

And both write "m8" and both are greek.......mmmm very similar! andrew are you lupus?? :P

[Guest Junoman]

If the main reason battery drain issue with 6.5 rom(s); change your e-mail automatic send receive shedule at least to 2hrs and see the difference!

J.

Edited April 29, 2010 by Junoman

[Guest Talishte]

And both write "m8" and both are greek.......mmmm very similar! andrew are you lupus?? :blink:

jaja... never knew lupus but on every thread his post people asks him the same :huh: :P

[Guest Talishte]

Agree on most points but take for example M2DV2 6.5 ROM /I like manila interface/. 42%-44% of used RAM. A single lock with the wm6.5 lock screen and the RAM used is 47% ...

Now am with 6.1. ROM and classic manila. 31% - 33% memory usage. Just locked the phone with the wm6.1. lock screen and I am still at 33% memory usage. This means that I will not reset my phone every 4-5-10 hours and less lag. From my experience when our Omnias reach 50-55% of memory usage they start to struggle. And 50-55% with 6.5 rom can be reached very easily :blink:

I just cant get over the memory discussion, can´t someone tell which apps/programs/things you can do with 6.1 that I cannot using Le Diable for example. This is a marvelous rom running 6.5 by the JN Foundation and I have installed over 15 applications (the ROM is fully pack also) and I have never encounter any memory problems. I mean how much multitasking do you guys do on a day to day basis with your phones because when I use garmin gps it means I´m driving so no need to do anything else with the phone well maybe using shazam to get some music IDs but I can do that just fine, then in the mornings when I use GPSrun I can use S2P player with not problem and exercise, then I can check emails browse the web (newspapers, modaco) with no problem so what applications are you using that demand so much memory and that you need to use at the same time :huh: I´ve been using this ROM for 2 days now and I only soft reset when changing icons and that´s it.

M2Dv2 restarts? surely you had bad luck with the roms you tried because that is long gone in the past 10 roms I´ve tested with M2Dv2 or it can be related to a program you regularly install on your phone :P

Edited April 29, 2010 by Talishte

[Guest dimera]

Talishte,

I would like to answer with this quote with which I fully agree:

6.1 is obviously more stable for the Omnia as the drivers as well as the phone, were designed for it. The Omnia has very little ram (under 100mb) hence the degrading performance during the course of the day on any given 6.5 rom. I find that the latest official 6.1 rom is the most stable and also has some subtle tweaks, for example, it performs its own memory cleaning service. The internet is also more stable on the 6.1 roms. The 6.1 roms also don't auto-kill applications running in the background and this is the main reason I switched back to the official rom as constant soft-resets were a real pain (memory consumption from 36% to 70-80% in less than an hour using the latest 6.5.3 rom).

Basically, for stability and everyday use, stick with 6.1.

Btw, 6.5 is complete and it is a joy to use on a HD2 or any HTC device; just runs like crap on the Omnia.

[Guest dragonmatahari]

off topic. i was wondering why you guys (lupus and andrew) have the same writing style with lots of quotation marks (" ") in your sentences. maybe just a coincidence.

And both write "m8" and both are greek.......mmmm very similar! andrew are you lupus??

Roger That.. "hmmm..." :huh:

[Guest Talishte]

Talishte,

I would like to answer with this quote with which I fully agree:

I agree with that quote in the sense that omnias where design to use 6.1 and that´s for sure and there is no argument with that but who ever tells me that his experience with default stock rom running 6.1 is/was better than with the worst (let´s not say worst as all work by chef is to be value) but let´s say even the earlier attempts of 6.5 is better I think that person would be lying or he will be just a very basic user who does not takes advantages of all the potential the phone has (someone that might just use it as a regular phone).

In my personal experience and in the way I use my phone and even though I do think 6.1 feels a little bit faster I find 6.5 more easy to use, as stable as 6.1 and giving me a much more pleasant experience overall to use my phone. That it runs better on and HTC device, for sure... that in runs crap on omnia :huh: well.. with all due respect to the guy you were quoting but maybe his omnia is crap because mine runs PERFECT on many 6.5 ROMS I have tried :P

Now if you want to use spb shell, load a theme on it, play games, use GPS, listen music and browse the web at the same time I would agree for sure that it would perform better on an 6.1 ROM (not that it wont work on 6.5 because I´ve done that with com2 UL versions) but if you learn to use and run what 6.5 is capable of running with no trouble on our OLD Omnias (let´s not forget that) you can be very happy with your phone until is time to get your next one.

Edited April 30, 2010 by Talishte

[Guest jms2367]

Roger That.. "hmmm..." :blink:

jaja... never knew lupus but on every thread his post people asks him the same :huh: :P

off topic again. but the thread was much quieter when lupus stopped flooding the forum. and now andrew is doing the same commenting in almost every thread. he would be reaching 300 posts in about two week's time. at least andrew is now a tame version of lupus but he is really flooding the forum and most of the time has a know it all absolute truth answer. and his writing style is very unconventional with lots of " " and CAPS which is very unnatural to read.

[Guest Sb.]

off topic again. but the thread was much quieter when lupus stopped flooding the forum. and now andrew is doing the same commenting in almost every thread. he would be reaching 300 posts in about two week's time. at least andrew is now a tame version of lupus but he is really flooding the forum and most of the time has a know it all absolute truth answer. and his writing style is very unconventional with lots of " " and CAPS which is very unnatural to read.

I think he holds the world record for acquiring post points! :huh: Too funny!!!! from beginner to die hard in 4 weeks! :P He'll over take Paul by the end of the year.

Sorry dude that we've gone off topic but a little fun spices up the forum!!!

Regards "Sb." :blink:

Edited May 2, 2010 by Sb.

[Guest jms2367]

I think he holds the world record for acquiring post points! :huh: Too funny!!!! from beginner to die hard in 4 weeks! :blink: He'll over take Paul by the end of the year.

Sorry dude that we've gone off topic but a little fun spices up the forum!!!

Regards "Sb." :o

lol/ :D

i totally agree. at the rate he's going he would be overtaking paul sooner than we think. now we have really gone off topic... :P

[Guest barbs666]

Well heres my 2cents worth:

6.5: great on the visuals, menus etc Bad battery drain.......

can use the phone 2days max with moderate use (hanfull of phone calls, some g.maps use, very quick internet use).

The argument of take a charger with you is kinda dumb, do you take ur charger when you go out to your friends place and end up staying for a day or two? so its very impracticle to say that.

The best 6.5 I have tried is Ocks premium but have the batt drain issue which is a big thing for me. You want to rely on ur phone not worry about it.

6.1: good bat life. menu are a bit harder to navigate. but its stable.

[Guest gman34]

I would argue that all com5 brach 6.5's i flashed too worked well. not battery drain what so ever, 3 days was my batt life, and i used at least 2 hours of wifi plus 30 mins of calling and 100 texts per day. plus i play games here and there.

I flashed to 28xxx branch and yes, those cause a huge battery drain, but that was my experience as many others stated that it worked well. but 235xx is your best 6.5 branch overall, it isn't as fast as other branches, but it is the most stable for me, i only had to soft reset twice since i've been on it.

But For now, once i get my phone back from the service center, i will see if 6.1 is suitable enough for me.

[Guest Sb.]

Well heres my 2cents worth:

6.5: great on the visuals, menus etc Bad battery drain.......

can use the phone 2days max with moderate use (hanfull of phone calls, some g.maps use, very quick internet use).

The argument of take a charger with you is kinda dumb, do you take ur charger when you go out to your friends place and end up staying for a day or two? so its very impracticle to say that.

The best 6.5 I have tried is Ocks premium but have the batt drain issue which is a big thing for me. You want to rely on ur phone not worry about it.

6.1: good bat life. menu are a bit harder to navigate. but its stable.

Yes I do take my charger if I know that my phone will only last 2-3 days. If your staying at your friends for longer than your phone can last will you take your charger? You obviously wont be going stupid on it either if your stuck somewhere without it. I used to use my phone a lot for work and had to have a charger in my car so its not impracticable in saying that. I tried 6.1 yesterday after a long time and ended up using more battery than on 6.5, probably because its almost impossible to use without a stylus and I had to use it longer than normal or god knows what but I wasn't too impressed with the battery life either.

Anyhow it comes down to how much your using your phone,right? Some roms might use a bit more juice depending on the device too as some of us don't report the same issues using the same ROM. For me a hard reset and a good charge overnight seems to resolve battery drain.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Sb.

[Guest gretch]

6.5 roms are just full load of bloatware on old CE 5-same kernel that's there since WM5... you cannot expect it to work better just by adding (halfway-done)eyecandy. It's just like Vista and XP...

Try with installing M2Dv2 to 6.1 and apply black theme form joža... won't feel like win95 anymore. I also advise KC's 6.1 20001 from OmniaII rom cause it has inbuilt FTouchSL, you get kinetic scrolling all over OS, just like 6.5...

You will be suprised how fast can omnia boot&run :P

This is a very interesting thread. I have looked for KC's 6.1 20001 and can't find any reference to it except this forum. I would like to look at it. I am currently using a 910 with the original interface and I have thought about flashing my phone. currently I'm trying to decide which ROM I like the best. Very hard decision! I like the eye candy but I don't need a buggy phone. I did get verizon to install the DC22 upgrade on my phone. It seems like there are a couple of efforts going on to bring a WM7 look and feel GUI online. I have thought about waiting until those have matured. I do have another question. I think I understand the Titanium interface pretty well, but I don't understand the differences between, M2D, flotanium and Manila. Those three all look the same to me. What's the difference?

[Guest andrew.mazlim]

I have to agree with barbs666. WM6.5s are more beautiful, but 6.1s more stable (and with better battery life).

But, after I flashed my "JN" rom (G-Carbon), combined with the new radio, I think it would be difficult to downgrade to 6.1s.

[Guest Nablet]

When I was running a 6.1 ROM on my Omnia II I found myself running out of memory and progammes auto closing at 80MB of free RAM. I do not believe that 6.1's are more efficient with memory because I have ran 8 things on my 6.5 phone without it closing anything. There was lag but it's a phone, not a Cray.

I don't like 6.1 at all, as it hasn't got threaded SMS and that's a serious problem for me. If a cab could be made to turn 6.1's standard SMS into the O2's threaded SMS I'd reinstall 6.1 and give it another go but all these cabs do is give it a somewhat threaded look, nothing more. Also I bought my O2 expecting a pretty screen and beauty, if I can't have that, at least partially, the phone's a waste of money. I may be shallow but before this I had a real cheap rubbish phone and if I wanted an ugly UI I'd stick with that.

[Guest Billus]

When I was running a 6.1 ROM on my Omnia II I found myself running out of memory and progammes auto closing at 80MB of free RAM. I do not believe that 6.1's are more efficient with memory because I have ran 8 things on my 6.5 phone without it closing anything. There was lag but it's a phone, not a Cray.

I don't like 6.1 at all, as it hasn't got threaded SMS and that's a serious problem for me. If a cab could be made to turn 6.1's standard SMS into the O2's threaded SMS I'd reinstall 6.1 and give it another go but all these cabs do is give it a somewhat threaded look, nothing more. Also I bought my O2 expecting a pretty screen and beauty, if I can't have that, at least partially, the phone's a waste of money. I may be shallow but before this I had a real cheap rubbish phone and if I wanted an ugly UI I'd stick with that.

Windows Mobile 6.1 introduced threaded sms. The rom you have probably has threaded sms disable. Use Advance Config to enable it.

[Guest acrocosm]

I also agree with battery drain and I'm also back on 6.1 (ryrzy's).

I have only used OCK's 6.5 roms, normal and ultralite. I have tried battery optimization/maximization/recalibration apps and disabling most startup items. Also I'm using iphone today instead of titanium and quickmenu with honeycomb remover (so I get about 5-6mb more free ram), I get most of his UL builds at 70-71% free ram on boot but it drops to 62 very fast after using a few apps, I suppose that's pagepool?

anyway, under those conditions and with mormal use (some wifi, maybe occasional gps, 30'/day sessions with sunvox and some calls) I get about 2.5 days. I should also mention that I've set it to 2G only and tested with PUJA1 and lately DXIF1.

I usualy get 4+ days on 6.1 (original, KC, ryrzy) with the same usage on my 2 years old device.

I do like the thouch optimizations of 6.5/6.5+ but battery life is very importand for me. The looks is just personal taste I'm more than happy with my custom colors for 6.1 happier than with most themes for 6.5. You can do anything theme wise with sk tools but then i'm on 3dcc on windows 7 so as I said that's a matter of taste. As for performance I admit that most of the latest OCK's roms feel a bit snappier than any 6.1 I've tried, but I think that's because of the excellent scrolling engine on 6.5. Also with some of his builds i cant get BT music streaming.

For a better 6.1 experience I suggest quickmenu, xtask and ftouchsl. Don't bother with fingersuite, the messabox buttons are large enough and as for menus you can just get the font larger with advanced configuration tool so you get a bit more free memory. If you like manila install the classic version and if you don't use all the features dont't install the AIO version, get the cabs seperately, then cutomize your tabs with M2DC. I'm using resco photo manager (htc's couldn't even compare with that beast) and nitrogen so there's no need for audio/photo tabs and without those and location/internet tabs (useless) your M2D memory usage will be about 5mb, maybe less. I don't use it anymore, it annoys me that it doesn't support landscape and the same goes for omlia lite apps

xtask is so f*king brilliant, regardless of your rom. Everyone should try it!!

all the best

Edited June 10, 2010 by acrocosm