The RAM really is too small

[Guest tux880]

Not yet to be honest.

I'm totally fed up with flashing UPDATA's at the moment.

it takes a second worked for me going back to 1.5 from 2.1 you should deffo give it ago.

[Guest BigBearMDC]

it takes a second worked for me going back to 1.5 from 2.1 you should deffo give it ago.

Sure I will, but for the moment I just want to stick with my unrooted 2.1.

I really like the new features ;)

I really hope going back to 1.5 will fix bluetooth for me...

[Guest brookergray]

Found the disassemble of the g1 with annotations. It looks like the the dram and the nand us in the same chip made by Samsung. This basicly means that even if you could get a 256/384mb chip (I seriously doubt that Samsung would fulfill orders under a 1000 pieces) and you could replace it (I seriously doubt that you could, I don't think that a 10£ soldering iron would be satisfactory) than you would be left with a phone that doesn't have a Rom on it.

Disclaimer: This us my personal belief; I you know a guy who sells Samsung chips and uses a 10£ soldered from the corner department store to assemble it to your phone than sorry.

p.s. Fastboot is on the same chip as the rest of the system right?

Edited June 19, 2010 by brookergray

[Guest DanWilson]

Found the disassemble of the [url=http://www.phonewreck.com/wiki/index.php?title=T-Mobile_G1]g1 with annotations. It looks like the the dram and the nand us in the same chip made by Samsung. This basicly means that even if you could get a 256/384mb chip (I seriously doubt that Samsung would fulfill orders under a 1000 pieces) and you could replace it (I seriously doubt that you could, I don't think that a 10£ soldering iron would be satisfactory) than you would be left with a phone that doesn't have a Rom on it.

Disclaimer: This us my personal belief; I you know a guy who sells Samsung chips and uses a 10£ soldered from the corner department store to assemble it to your phone than sorry.

p.s. Fastboot is on the same chip as the rest of the system right?

Even at this, I think if we were desperate we could hardwire the chip to our PCs and copy the files from the old chip to the new chip, like XBOX360 modding, except its the NAND and not RAM.

[Guest goce.nakov]

Hmmm I'm seeing you guys complaining about Pulse not be able to do this or that, how it is too slow, low RAM etc etc.

What do you expect from 120eur phone dammit ;) , to be honest I'm using my pulse for checking mails, keep in touch via Nimbuzz, view and editing documents....so something like mobile office, and I never had problems with space or multi tasking (yes I do run browser and chat and preview pdf doc).

So if you like to play games while browsing or I dont know what are you doing.... get a grip and give 300 euros and buy your self HTC Desire or Droid.

I just want to say to stop complaining...after all it is low budget phone, and you cant put Ferrari motor in Skoda shell do you.

[Guest BigBearMDC]

Even at this, I think if we were desperate we could hardwire the chip to our PCs and copy the files from the old chip to the new chip, like XBOX360 modding, except its the NAND and not RAM.

Wow, that is optimistic thinking!

Have you ever seen the bottom of a BGA chip?

If not just google it.

If you manage to solder wires to it you're my personal Hero ;)

However, I got the possibility to do this in my school.

We have a BGA mounting machine there :(

As said before, if I get the replacement I'd really like to pull it appart, but of course I don't want to destroy it.

I'd like to use it as my dev-only phone.

[Guest Azurren]

Hmmm I'm seeing you guys complaining about Pulse not be able to do this or that, how it is too slow, low RAM etc etc.

What do you expect from 120eur phone dammit :( , to be honest I'm using my pulse for checking mails, keep in touch via Nimbuzz, view and editing documents....so something like mobile office, and I never had problems with space or multi tasking (yes I do run browser and chat and preview pdf doc).

So if you like to play games while browsing or I dont know what are you doing.... get a grip and give 300 euros and buy your self HTC Desire or Droid.

I just want to say to stop complaining...after all it is low budget phone, and you cant put Ferrari motor in Skoda shell do you.

Did you even read my OP? ;)

I could say the same with custom roms, you bought the phone as it is why should someone make a custom rom to increase the speed?

If you wanted a Phone with a faster, stock, vanilla android then you should have bought a Dev phone.

See my point?

[Guest BigBearMDC]

I'd say especially the fact that this phone is so cheap makes it that interesting.

Squeezing out the last FLOP and getting the devices hardware to its limits - thats the interesting thing ;)

Imagine our Pulse running any OS and playing every game like a champ, and just because there were enogh people complaining it was too slow .... see what I mean :(

[Guest Azurren]

I'd say especially the fact that this phone is so cheap makes it that interesting.

Squeezing out the last FLOP and getting the devices hardware to its limits - thats the interesting thing :(

Imagine our Pulse running any OS and playing every game like a champ, and just because there were enogh people complaining it was too slow .... see what I mean :)

Hey all I wanted was to keep my Browser Webpage open while I changed the music track. Is that to much to ask? ;)

Seriously even windows 1.5 could do that :D

Edited June 19, 2010 by Azurren

[Guest DanWilson]

I'd say especially the fact that this phone is so cheap makes it that interesting.

Squeezing out the last FLOP and getting the devices hardware to its limits - thats the interesting thing ;)

Imagine our Pulse running any OS and playing every game like a champ, and just because there were enogh people complaining it was too slow .... see what I mean :(

I just want this phone to do what I tell it to, the second I tell it to. I hate waiting 5 seconds just for the phone to open, or open the keyboard. I don't need multi-tasking (I want it!), I just want crispness. Like my iPod Touch.

[Guest brookergray]

Even at this, I think if we were desperate we could hardwire the chip to our PCs and copy the files from the old chip to the new chip, like XBOX360 modding, except its the NAND and not RAM.

Bigbear is right. Young and optimistic.

I know that there are way to flash nand chips. But getting one, and adding it to the phone is the hard part.

What kind of xbox modding do you mean? They change hardware? A link please?

Hmmm I'm seeing you guys complaining about Pulse not be able to do this or that, how it is too slow, low RAM etc etc.

What do you expect from 120eur phone dammit ;) , to be honest I'm using my pulse for checking mails, keep in touch via Nimbuzz, view and editing documents....so something like mobile office, and I never had problems with space or multi tasking (yes I do run browser and chat and preview pdf doc).

So if you like to play games while browsing or I dont know what are you doing.... get a grip and give 300 euros and buy your self HTC Desire or Droid.

I just want to say to stop complaining...after all it is low budget phone, and you cant put Ferrari motor in Skoda shell do you.

Good for those who can afford a desire. I'm 18 and still go to high school and will go for two more years.I do work but I'm not going to spend 450€ on a phone because I'm saving most of the money I earn for med school. As for the pulse I've paid about 70€ for it. Yes we complain. The funny thing is that when u was writing this I recei

ved a phonecall and opera mini was terminated so I had to start again. If huawei would have put 64mb more RAM to the phone this wouldn't have happen. It would have costed them 5$ more per unit. Not that much right?

oh and while you can't put a ferrari engine in it you could still use a turbocharger.

[Guest DanWilson]

Hey all I wanted was to keep my Browser Webpage open while I changed the music track. Is that to much to ask? ;)

Seriously even windows 1.5 could do that :)

I didn't know Windows 1.5 had a browser. I thought internet was only from Windows 98 +...

You high too? That makes three of us! :(

[Guest goce.nakov]

Did you even read my OP? ;)

I could say the same with custom roms, you bought the phone as it is why should someone make a custom rom to increase the speed?

If you wanted a Phone with a faster, stock, vanilla android then you should have bought a Dev phone.

See my point?

Yeah mate I did see your point even at first :(......

I'm just saying that there is too much people who are complaining about the pulse even there is a lot of reviews and spec on the net about this phone so they should know what they are baying (at least that was the case with me)

[Guest Azurren]

Yeah mate I did see your point even at first ;)......

I'm just saying that there is too much people who are complaining about the pulse even there is a lot of reviews and spec on the net about this phone so they should know what they are baying (at least that was the case with me)

Actually to be fair the part that jumps out in the spec sheet is Android OS

Android OS = Multitasking

You don't look at the specs and think.. Hmmmmmm, it seems to have slightly less ram than the other devices so it won't be able to keep my browser open when I receive a phone call.

The thing is even without any mods the pulse CAN keep Opera open while doing other things. We just need to find out how

[Guest DanWilson]

Bigbear is right. Young and optimistic.

I know that there are way to flash nand chips. But getting one, and adding it to the phone is the hard part.

What kind of xbox modding do you mean? They change hardware? A link please?

oh and while you can't put a ferrari engine in it you could still use a turbocharger.

Great choice of words there (I know there's a real big word for that but I forget.)

And it's not replacing hardware, but taking the NAND and flashing stuff to it.

http://www.360-hq.com/xbox-tutorials-108.html

Google FTW!

I want a turbocharged Ferrari engine in my Pulse, but I think my Pulse in a turbocharged Ferrari engine would be more hopeful. I'll give Google Translate a challenge I will!

[Guest Bendolfc]

With a decent SD, I imagine swap support would make all the difference. Can't think of any reason HW haven't compiled it in ;)

[Guest DanWilson]

With a decent SD, I imagine swap support would make all the difference. Can't think of any reason HW haven't compiled it in ;)

Cos swap kills your SD card quicker, with more read/write cycles (I think it's cycles) it reaches its limit, and I don't know what happens then, I think it just shows no files, but can't copy files over either.

/off

I got a MemoryStick Pro Duo from Datel ages back, it wouldn't copy any files over, then wouldn't appear at all. I made it appear by shouting at it or something, and Windows said it had 1.3GB on it, when it was only a 256MB card. WTF?

[Guest rss2k]

I didn't know Windows 1.5 had a browser. I thought internet was only from Windows 98 +...

You high too? That makes three of us! ;)

LOL, internet worked on Win 3.1 (albeit you had to install a seperate IP stack) and use

the good old NCSA browser. That's quite a few years before Win98. But on Unix systems

it worked years earlier.

[Guest Azurren]

LOL, internet worked on Win 3.1 (albeit you had to install a seperate IP stack) and use

the good old NCSA browser. That's quite a few years before Win98. But on Unix systems

it worked years earlier.

Well technically MSDoss had the internet (of sorts) but maybe not a GUI :(

I didn't look it up but windows 1.5 is the earliest version i knew of and my first ever computer actually ran it before it got windows 95. I just asummed it had it ;)

But I've said it so many times.. It really isn't to much to ask. :)

[Guest rss2k]

Well technically MSDoss had the internet (of sorts) but maybe not a GUI :(

I didn't look it up but windows 1.5 is the earliest version i knew of and my first ever computer actually ran it before it got windows 95. I just asummed it had it ;)

But I've said it so many times.. It really isn't to much to ask. :)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Windows 1.5 never existed. I have tried Windows 1.0 back in 1985, but

it was totally useless. You could only run a couple of supplied programs.

Have a look at windows history at Windows history

But to go back to the topic, we should be glad with this device at this price. Even the out of the box

experience is not bad. But with root and A2SD I have nothing to complain. Yes I'd love a

Nexus 1, HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S, but I am happy with the Pulse till November when

I can get a new phone when renewing my contract.

[Guest Azurren]

Why is everyone telling me to be happy with the device? I am happy with it I just want it to do one extra thing that it is perfectly capable of doing with some help.

So if we didn't have appstosd and i posted a topic here stating that the internal memory was too small you all would probably be posting the exact same things

So.. In the nicest possible way stop posting it! You may as well spam the froyo porting topic with the same thing, maybe even more so.

Oh and to anyone that is actually interested by lowering the memory meter of background apps in memory manager i am able to switch from opera mini to text messaging and back again (unless Facebook or twitter decide to make their move)

Oh and one last thing. If Paul had decided that the device is cheap and you get what you pay for then we would all be stuck using the stock, slow, bloated T-Mobile style. Same goes for all the other devs working hard to increase the speed / useability of our devices.

If you truley believe in what your saying reflash either the December or Hungarian update and go hide under a rock because your starting to sound like an apple fanboy.

Oh and this wasn't solely aimed at the above but at all those that have and all those who are thinking of posting that this is a cheap device yada yada..

Edited June 19, 2010 by Azurren

[Guest summerlove]

I'm gonna point out first that I'm still running 1.7 vanilla, because with that my phone works exactly how I want.

My AMM settings are something like 4, 4, 13, 15, 18, 4. Opera stays open for me unless I kill it myself. If you change the AMM settings you're obviously going to have to manually kill tasks more often than you usually do. I use task manager. Don't know how well this would work on 2.1, which is one of the reasons I'm not using it. I read long webpages so need opera to keep my place when I switch to email or something else.

[Guest BigBearMDC]

One thing is really opbvious:

The Pulse, based on its specs, could definetly do a better job!

The only problem is Android.

Its build to run a large variety of devices, thus not being optimzed for each device.

528 MHz and 192 MB RAM are huge!

My first PC ran Windows ME, with a 33MHz CPU and RAM < 100MB.

Hell, I installed Windows Vista on a 400MHz Machine, and I've never seen any OS that is as much resource hungry as Vista.

Look at it that way, lets assume you can run 1 m/s, so the Pulse's CPU could run 528 * 10 ^ 6 m/s.

While you could run 1 meter, the Pulse's CPU would round the Earth 13 times!

That's pretty impressive, at least for me.

192 MB RAM means that the Pulse is able to store 1610612736 values!

So based on this specs, the Pulse should be really fast, it just needs some more optimization.

But I guess Huawei won't do this ...

[Guest Epic-Emodude]

One thing is really opbvious:

The Pulse, based on its specs, could definetly do a better job!

The only problem is Android.

Its build to run a large variety of devices, thus not being optimzed for each device.

528 MHz and 192 MB RAM are huge!

My first PC ran Windows ME, with a 33MHz CPU and RAM < 100MB.

Hell, I installed Windows Vista on a 400MHz Machine, and I've never seen any OS that is as much resource hungry as Vista.

Look at it that way, lets assume you can run 1 m/s, so the Pulse's CPU could run 528 * 10 ^ 6 m/s.

While you could run 1 meter, the Pulse's CPU would round the Earth 13 times!

That's pretty impressive, at least for me.

192 MB RAM means that the Pulse is able to store 1610612736 values!

So based on this specs, the Pulse should be really fast, it just needs some more optimization.

But I guess Huawei won't do this ...

So what your saying is that we have really good phones but we just need to make ROMs optimised for it so they will run faster...?

[Guest BigBearMDC]

So what your saying is that we have really good phones but we just need to make ROMs optimised for it so they will run faster...?

Exactly.

As I mentioned before somewhere, I'm really not an Apple fanboy.

But the iPhone OS is just awesome when it comes to performance.

The iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 3G (maybe even 3Gs) have very similar (even lower) specs, but are able to run high-quality games without any problems.

My iPod Touch 2G that has 128 MB RAM and 532 MHz CPU frequency runs every game like a champ!