Guest simonsays1 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I used to be a Nokia fanboy and had a 9500,E61,N95, 5230 but the OS looks very old and slow these days compared to Android. I must admit that the Nokia's had good solid build quality and battery life but the OS just cant compete anymore. If only Nokia had gone with Android instead of Windows mobile. I would love to see a Nokia N8 running froyo !
Guest JolyonS Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Nokia E71 is still a great smarphone to this day. Agree, I still use mine - Blade not good enough to replace it.
Guest fonix232 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I loved Symbian, and it's support (it could run native C++ code, Java MIDP (and a lots of great games, take a look at the old Galaxy on Fire 2), Python, C#, Flash, and ALOT more stuff). However I never liked the UI (always used a 3rd party menu and homescreen), and some stuff should have been cleared out (S60v5 was BLOATED with old, disfunctional stuff, from S60v2 and v1. It's like keeping an old Android 0.5 deprecated and never used library in 3.0!). Symbian^4, as it was planned, could have been great - totally native system (based on Qt, what is, great!), revamped UI, totally rewritten system. MeeGo would be very interesting indeed, but it requires ARMv7 AFAIK. But it would be possible to port I think!
Guest Rotmann Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 If only Nokia had gone with Android instead of Windows mobile. I would love to see a Nokia N8 running froyo ! 640 x 360 Display? 680 MHz CPU? 256 MB RAM? No way, DIE Nokia :( Stop feeding german trolls. oknp? :( had a bad day? Where are the german trolls, can't see them.
Guest wbaw Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Just to preempt any further topics, the following are also not possible to be ported to our phones for technical and/or legal reasons:Windows XpWindows VistaWindows 7iOS (for iPhones)Mac OsOS2Blackberry OSBadaWindows Mobile What about BeOS? WebOS? ChromeOS? Plan9? FreeBSD? XTS-400? Solaris? HP-UX? z/OS? LOGO? NeXTSTEP? Elbrus? FM Towns? Singularity? Xbox360? PS3? Edited March 4, 2011 by wbaw
Guest IronDoc Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 What about BeOS? WebOS? ChromeOS? Plan9? FreeBSD? XTS-400? Solaris? HP-UX? z/OS? LOGO? NeXTSTEP? Elbrus? FM Towns? Singularity? Xbox360? PS3? Be honest, how long did you spend thinking of that list?
Guest Fou-lu Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Nokia x3? same price as blade? symbian s40? shocker :0 same as paying $100 for a nes when the snes was released at the same price with a wider selection of game's. meego could of saved them, Microsoft, ever see anyone even own a wp7?? QT should go to android.. Edited March 4, 2011 by Fou-lu
Guest Nuuna Posted March 4, 2011 Report Posted March 4, 2011 You should forget about the idea of porting Symbian to Blade/Android. But if you want something to do so try w7 :(
Guest brownian Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 As a former Nokia fan I feel justified to chime in with my twopenn'orth. BeOS? WebOS? ChromeOS? Plan9? FreeBSD?.... No chronology of Linux would be complete without a reference to Minix whose creator is a far more prolific author of formalised educational texts than Linus. Two ground breaking Scandanavian OS-devs and I thread about an OS long since adopted by a Finnish company, coincidence? I think not. Symbian's closed source model promotes integration of programmers with hardware- control of specification from bolts to bit widths to browsers. This can ensure tight quality control and good matching (more than a free market) of grades of component. My experience buying cheap uchips is, all else being equal, they are simply less energy efficient and people are too busy meeting targets to worry about a 10-20% reduction in battery life. Maybe things have changed this last decade? With M$ releasing free to use and develop compilers for their OS's I think they are winning back dev's who are eager to abandon bug hunting in other peoples code in favour of professional grade tools subsidised by corporate users. I don't imagine M$ will ever be a serious threat at the entry level of the smartphone market but Nokia's Symbian has developed uncannily similar model for developers. This site has done a great job promoting the Blade but I'm off after a Nokia so that I needn't worry about replacing the battery and can use those simple apps that it caters for and still be able to write my own should I need to. Java is an OS on top of Android and as such a huge overhead, two copies of Vista on your netbook anyone? I don't see Android offering easily accessible SDK's for low level programming in C and device interfacing. It's open nature, IMHO, tends to catering to the lowest common denominator, and while not intended as an insult to anyone here, perhaps what were once called script kiddies. Thanks for reading. Keep an open mind.
Guest kevbrm Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I had an E52 and wish Symbian a painful death. I've got an N97 and wish Nokia a painful death.
Guest 90180360 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I don't see Android offering easily accessible SDK's for low level programming in C and device interfacing. http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/index.html
Guest shadowninty Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 I loved Symbian, and it's support (it could run native C++ code, Java MIDP (and a lots of great games, take a look at the old Galaxy on Fire 2), Python, C#, Flash, and ALOT more stuff). However I never liked the UI (always used a 3rd party menu and homescreen), and some stuff should have been cleared out (S60v5 was BLOATED with old, disfunctional stuff, from S60v2 and v1. It's like keeping an old Android 0.5 deprecated and never used library in 3.0!). Symbian^4, as it was planned, could have been great - totally native system (based on Qt, what is, great!), revamped UI, totally rewritten system. S^4 on paper coulve been decent (what with the compatibility break) however if you look at the sloooooowwwwww pace of development, and dev comments, Symbain was clearly not going anywhere
Guest jblz Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 You should forget about the idea of porting Symbian to Blade/Android. But if you want something to do so try w7 :( I'd love to see a semi working port of WM7 for development reasons. The PC emulator works but doesn't really give you a full glance at WM7 (like the Android one does)
Guest brownian Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Thanks, 90180360 While not the first hit for "Android SDK", the NDK isn't too hard to find. The irony of a Java based OS is that coding power is limited by the number of platforms you can target your C code at. I think since 2.1 the Android apps (I've spent too long admiring the work of Gameloft :/) have the advantage in the presentation stakes, but 1.x Android (as I knew it) was a shambles alongside the 5230 / 5800 apps. I would have gone for a Nokia after gifting my 5230, but it kept running out of memory on large web pages, and crashing/messing up my forms. So it was the pulse-mini, until I spotted the SanFran. I'm tempted by the 5230 V-Festival red for £50+£10 or a SanFran at £80+£10. For the cost conscious Symbian has filled a niche on entry level devices. ------edit-------- Ah yes, and on the ndk there is the caveat for windos users: For Windows, Cygwin 1.7 or higher is required. which starts alarm bells ringing, how much of cygwin? Do I need a UNIX box as a virtual machine on my lappy? Or just Bison, Perl, gcc, binutils, automake, autoconfig and whatever they require, and which versions. A coupla years ago I made my first foray into Linux and found that the gcc that shipped with a major distro (prolly Fedora) was broken and I had no net connection to fix this so was trying to memorise all the packages and dependencies so I could complete the downloads online. And now Debian has got major issues since it left all non-free (but still, essentially essential) software outside of its main distribution of Squeeze (6). I thought Google might unify things a bit with Android, but now I'm not sure. Do you dev's all use Linux or just stick with Windos and non native code? Edited March 7, 2011 by brownian
Guest 90180360 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 which starts alarm bells ringing, how much of cygwin? Do I need a UNIX box as a virtual machine on my lappy? I don't think Cygwin is what you think it is.
Guest brownian Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) No, I'm familiar with cygwin. I think my last use was attempting to recompile the kernel before I learned how to make Ramdisks in Linux. My point is that I'll download the setup prog, and a bunch of other stuff for it while I'm on unmetered internet and get them home only to be coaxed into adding more packages, and then more, and then perhaps more. Which is prolly why I'd have plumped to migrate to Linux eventually. --------edit--------- Just read cynagen mod tutorial on installing android, and specifically on a ubuntu. Wondering where all my disk space went on my XP netbook, then I remembered I'd already installed Eclipse, Java (+tute's and doc's), and the full 2.1 + 2.3 android SDK. Ubuntu is tempting, but I'm gonna have to look at a bigger drive than the 8GB SSD dual booting one I'm in front of now. So far (downloaded but not installed) my cygwin is at 124Mb. I think I can wing it in windows. Sorry for getting off topic. Android is way better than Symbian where developers would have to pay $350 per year for the priviledge- I could and would get premium web hosting for that!! Really need to budget for web hosting, or get fibre optic broadband and dedicate this netbook to an always on server. I wouldn't mind but haemorhaging money makes me ignore my regular commitments- work, sleep, nutrition, exerciese etc. Edited March 8, 2011 by brownian
Guest gusthy Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Symbian's closed source model promotes integration of programmers with hardware- control of specification from bolts to bit widths to browsers. This can ensure tight quality control and good matching (more than a free market) of grades of component. My experience buying cheap uchips is, all else being equal, they are simply less energy efficient and people are too busy meeting targets to worry about a 10-20% reduction in battery life. Maybe things have changed this last decade? Symbian is open source.
Guest shadowninty Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Symbian is open source. it was, but now Nokia took it back waste of money
Guest 90180360 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 it was, but now Nokia took it back waste of money Symbian is open source.
Guest The Soup Thief Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Symbian is open source. D'you know, I thought it was then that it was no longer open source, but it turns out it is But that the foundation is closing it's doors such that the source is only available til 31st March 2011 Read all about it here If you can be arsed, that is [/ephemera]
Guest pellonet Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Why the hell is this whole topic still cluttering up the ROM & Development section? 1. Question was asked & answered in the first two posts. 2. The whole topic has very little to do with the ZTE Blade/San Francisco. 3. The whole topic has very little to do with the Android OS. Please either stop posting or take the discussion to an appropriate area.
Guest 90180360 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) D'you know, I thought it was then that it was no longer open source, but it turns out it is But that the foundation is closing it's doors such that the source is only available til 31st March 2011 Read all about it here The source is only available until 31st March 2011 from their website. Let's not forget that it was Nokia who made Symbian open source in the first place. Edited March 11, 2011 by 90180360
Guest The Soup Thief Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 The source is only available until 31st March 2011 from their website. Let's not forget that it was Nokia who made Symbian open source in the first place. Fair enough Like pellonet says, we should probably leave this thread to die the lingering death suggested long ago....
Guest heikiu96 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I have NOKIA N95 .It so slow and not much apps .I don't want to use Symbian anymore.
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