[POLL] Do you want to upgrade your Blade to Gen 2?

[Guest hecatae]

Only 1 person commented on the additional "band"... no-one apparently cares enough to raise this as a problem to date. The phone is not sold in regions with quad band requirements at this time.

the ZTE Libra is coming soon. Exp. release 2011, Q2

thank you for looking at trying the amss.mbn situation

Edited April 13, 2011 by hecatae

[Guest isambard]

Quad band capability pointless? That is an entirely subjective comment. It is only a couple of years back that you had to pay significantly more if you wanted Quad Band capability on your phone. In the modern age where people travel a lot it is an increasingly important feature to many... and one that can be added for FREE and without penalty.

In my case it was the primary motivation for upgrading and with the growing international flavour to this forum I would think I am not alone. I was even willing to risk incompatibility with a wider choise of ROMs for the feature.

I think the quad band is the main feature. However, it is not clear whether Gen2 truly enables quad band and whether this has been thoroughly tested.

[Guest]

Only 1 person commented on the additional "band"... no-one apparently cares enough to raise this as a problem to date. The phone is not sold in regions with quad band requirements at this time. I'm sure nobody is too bothered about bragging rights.

I fail to see how added functionality for the "phone" features of the device are merely bragging rights... rather useful to travellers. Also, the Blade is coming to the USA this spring.

Anyway, this poll would seem to suggest there there is polar split in the current ROM/Gen situation almost 50/50, so for now it would seem preferable that both get supported in any ROM development so everyone is catered for.

Edited April 13, 2011 by Guest

[Guest Len Ash]

I fail to see how added functionality for the "phone" features of the device are merely bragging rights... rather useful to travellers. Also, the Blade is coming to the USA this spring.

All good then.

Edited April 13, 2011 by Len Ash

[Guest Len Ash]

the ZTE Libra is coming soon. Exp. release 2011, Q2

thank you for looking at trying the amss.mbn situation

I used your Gen 1 > Gen 2 guide by the way, so kudos for that.

[Guest punkmilitia]

^placebo effect :)

+ you cant compare the two as they are different roms with different gens. if you want to compare different gens then you should keep the same rom...

What are you talking about?

It isn't a placebo effect.

My blade can literaly download almost 3 times faster and I could upload some vids to youtube at a fair enough rate

and my emulators all run noticeably faster.

[Guest Len Ash]

What are you talking about?

It isn't a placebo effect.

My blade can literaly download almost 3 times faster and I could upload some vids to youtube at a fair enough rate

and my emulators all run noticeably faster.

lol

Edited April 13, 2011 by Len Ash

[Guest wbaw]

if you have no reception issues, then you have no reason to upgrade, on gen1 my blade was very slow to switch bands, very slow to start data connectivity, gps took a minute, now takes seconds.

I'm going to check if the new Japanese 2.2 files re-enable TPT, if they do I'll update the guide

Are you sure that TPT mode has been disabled in gen2? Because the flashing program is still there in a gen2 oemsbl.mbn. Did you try with a gen2 tpt image by holding menu and vol+ at startup? It wont flash a gen1 tpt image, but did you try with a gen2 files directory copied to the /image folder on the sd card?

[Guest hecatae]

Are you sure that TPT mode has been disabled in gen2? Because the flashing program is still there in a gen2 oemsbl.mbn. Did you try with a gen2 tpt image by holding menu and vol+ at startup? It wont flash a gen1 tpt image, but did you try with a gen2 files directory copied to the /image folder on the sd card?

kallt did try and failed, though I'm now not sure if that was only the gen1 tpt gen2 upgrade that he tried

[Guest mrradmir]

flashing program is still there in a gen2 oemsbl.mbn.

It looks for /image/image.bin file only.

[Guest wbaw]

kallt did try and failed, though I'm now not sure if that was only the gen1 tpt gen2 upgrade that he tried

It was. A Gen1 to Gen2 TPT wont work.

It looks for /image/image.bin file only.

:) I wonder what that image.bin is & how it's formatted.

[Guest jayhix]

Anyway, this poll would seem to suggest there there is polar split in the current ROM/Gen situation almost 50/50, so for now it would seem preferable that both get supported in any ROM development so everyone is catered for.

I agree entirely, one of the main reasons i created the poll was to see what the community split was and to show it to the cyanogen mod developers, i see no reason why future cm7 versions should be gen2 only, when it could be written to work for both.

[Guest jayhix]

http://twitter.com/#!/HCDRJacob/status/58268218502037504

Deal with it.

rather disappointing, i feel i should point you to the community response to this:

http://android.modaco.com/content/zte-blad...blade-to-gen-2/

To be blunt, I don't give a s***.

The point is, you guys *can* upgrade. Gen2 users can't downgrade. We want to cater for everyone

well there it is from the horses mouth, i guess this thread is pointless now as the man has spoken.

maybe we can work a way around it to get gen2 roms working on gen1 phones like the workaround for gen1 roms for gen2 phones?

[Guest HCDR.Jacob]

well there it is from the horses mouth, i guess this thread is pointless now as the man has spoken.

maybe we can work a way around it to get gen2 roms working on gen1 phones like the workaround for gen1 roms for gen2 phones?

A workaround is definitely possible. I won't condone it, or approve of it. Nor will I provide support for users using it. You'll get laughed off the bug tracker. Have fun.

[Guest jayhix]

A workaround is definitely possible. I won't condone it, or approve of it. Nor will I provide support for users using it. You'll get laughed off the bug tracker. Have fun.

dude theres no need to be an asshole. just cuz youre the maintainer of cyangenmod 7 for the blade doesn't make you high and mighty.

Im not de-crediting your work, i think its excellent, but you dont need to be bullish and rude to users who are cautious as this thread depicts.

[Guest HCDR.Jacob]

dude theres no need to be an asshole. just cuz youre the maintainer of cyangenmod 7 for the blade doesn't make you high and mighty.

Im not de-crediting your work, i think its excellent, but you dont need to be bullish and rude to users who are cautious as this thread depicts.

I'm not being rude.

Seriously though, look at our disclaimer:

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

/*

* Your warranty is now void.

*

* I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,

* thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please

* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM

* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if

* you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.

*/[/code]


If you're really that cautious, you probably shouldn't be using CM7.

[Guest unrandomsam]

dude theres no need to be an asshole. just cuz youre the maintainer of cyangenmod 7 for the blade doesn't make you high and mighty.

Im not de-crediting your work, i think its excellent, but you dont need to be bullish and rude to users who are cautious as this thread depicts.

When it comes down to it only 2 opinions matter.

HCDRJacob's and Tom_G's

Someone else is free to maintain a gen1 build if they wish.

[Guest The Soup Thief]

dude theres no need to be an asshole. just cuz youre the maintainer of cyangenmod 7 for the blade doesn't make you high and mighty.

Im not de-crediting your work, i think its excellent, but you dont need to be bullish and rude to users who are cautious as this thread depicts.

Steady on jahix - not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds...

HCDR.Jacob and Tom_G are doing this upgrade with good reason.

They put a lot of work in and we benefit bigtime from the fruits of their labours

Best thing you can do is help provide as much CLEAR info for people on here on how to upgrade their phones safely without wrecking them through ill informed flashing

Will be even more important to get this info on that other www.orangesanfrancisco.co.uk website, which is a lot of people's first port of call

[Guest Simon O]

Winding people up on twitter and the forum isn't going to help.

Users are allowed to produce a Gen1 patch for CM7. The kernel code is available and it's easy to change the address values so it works on Gen1. Do this, build the kernel and package up with replacement ril libs.

Just don't expect any support from the CM team since this is unofficial. No CM7 rom for any device support users running alternative kernels so this is nothing new.

Personally I don't know why people are upset about upgrading to Gen2. Your warranty is already gone since you've already installed custom roms. Upgrading the phone Gen2 isn't going to make things any worse or any better in terms of warranty. What it will do is give your device newer firmware that unlocks 850MHz radio, HSUPA and potentially other improvements.

[Guest sambartle]

To be fair the "I'm not sure" and "Whats Gen 2" are also really No's at this point.. those users aren't currently upgrading to gen 2 either, making it 3:1 against upgrading..

I think mainly its because not that many people have done it so people wont do it in case problems are found down the line.. a better poll might have been have you upgraded and were there any problems.. that might convince more people to upgrade, which in turn would mean others would see its ok and do the same..

Either way.. the decision has been made so there's no point arguing about it and you can't argue with the reasoning, whilst I too would like to stay on Gen 1 so I can flip back to MCR 12 (which is the most stable ROM in my opinion) it probably wont be practical once CM7 goes Gen2 only and ill probably upgrade at that point.

Edited April 13, 2011 by sambartle

[Guest Ralph Martin]

amss.mbn

this is a chipset update, it's like flashing the bios on a pc, it updates the radio baseband from P729BB01 to P729B01

I updated for this alone, the new memory map may make a difference, but I know the new baseband has made a difference

Wait a minute. I have a Gen1 phone, running SS RLS3, and "About Phone" shows my baseband as P729B01 (definitely NOT P729BB01).

I have NOT done a Gen1 to Gen2 conversion.

Its an Orange San Francisco originally with B08 software and a TFT screen.

So where does that leave the theory about P729BB01 versus P729B01?

[Guest shadowninty]

Did it this evening

[Guest isambard]

Personally I don't know why people are upset about upgrading to Gen2. Your warranty is already gone since you've already installed custom roms. Upgrading the phone Gen2 isn't going to make things any worse or any better in terms of warranty. What it will do is give your device newer firmware that unlocks 850MHz radio, HSUPA and potentially other improvements.

Gen2 has dis-advantages too: notably lack of TPT and ability to do fastboot flash. This makes the device less resistant to bricking (TPT is great!). However, this is perhaps of concern mainly to developers.

I agree with you on the maintenance thing though. It shouldn't be an issue to maintain a separate CM7 tree for Gen1 devices though. The modifications are pretty clean and git makes it piss easy to maintain a separate branch so anyone wanting CM7 for Gen1 can do this very easily themselves. I'm sure someone will step forward to maintain if the current maintainers don't want to maintain 2 separate branches.

[Guest MoRiCKa]

Winding people up on twitter and the forum isn't going to help.

Users are allowed to produce a Gen1 patch for CM7. The kernel code is available and it's easy to change the address values so it works on Gen1. Do this, build the kernel and package up with replacement ril libs.

Just don't expect any support from the CM team since this is unofficial. No CM7 rom for any device support users running alternative kernels so this is nothing new.

Personally I don't know why people are upset about upgrading to Gen2. Your warranty is already gone since you've already installed custom roms. Upgrading the phone Gen2 isn't going to make things any worse or any better in terms of warranty. What it will do is give your device newer firmware that unlocks 850MHz radio, HSUPA and potentially other improvements.

I have to disagree here. On Gen1 phones we can TPT back the original 2.1 firmware, so the phone's firmware will look like a new one right out of the box, so warranty is still on.

We kill this option if we upgrade to Gen2.

[Guest MoRiCKa]

Winding people up on twitter and the forum isn't going to help.

Users are allowed to produce a Gen1 patch for CM7. The kernel code is available and it's easy to change the address values so it works on Gen1. Do this, build the kernel and package up with replacement ril libs.

Just don't expect any support from the CM team since this is unofficial. No CM7 rom for any device support users running alternative kernels so this is nothing new.

Personally I don't know why people are upset about upgrading to Gen2. Your warranty is already gone since you've already installed custom roms. Upgrading the phone Gen2 isn't going to make things any worse or any better in terms of warranty. What it will do is give your device newer firmware that unlocks 850MHz radio, HSUPA and potentially other improvements.

I have to disagree here. On Gen1 phones we can TPT back the original 2.1 firmware, so the phone's firmware will look like a new one right out of the box, so warranty is still on.

We kill this option if we upgrade to Gen2.